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[staindgrey]

You know if it was the LGBT community complaining about Cassandra's unavailability, I think the response would be entirely different.

 

Straight people not liking their straight options? Suck it up and deal with it hetero's....gay people not liking their gay options? Start up the Tumblr Social Justice WAR MACHINE!

 

Edit: I also wasn't going to reply to this post because of the redundant content of it, but the wicked boomerang intolerance I'm seeing in regards to peoples opinion on this subject is kind of frustrating.

While the "social justice warriors" get somewhat intolerable, I don't think your response to that user's statement was warranted. Most of this thread's responses has been regarding numbers and previous versions having the exact same number; no one in here was trying to start a "war machine".

 

Posts such as yours fail to calm the problem.

[FaWa]

OP I'll send you a pamphlet and starter kit. It's time you be introduced to the homosexual lifestyle

[Rake451]

OP I'll send you a pamphlet and starter kit. It's time you be introduced to the homosexual lifestyle

Ok, for the sake of knowledge, what exactly comes in the starter kit

[FaWa]

necessary equipment 

[Rake451]

necessary equipment 

Ah.  We will leave it at that, then.  Good day to you.

[Maria Caliban]

Oh, nice to see that most people share my opinion. Has bioware already answered how they going to solve this problem?

 
They'll be releasing an expansion called Dragon Age: Tenga that will help you with your problem.
 

You know if it was the LGBT community complaining about Cassandra's unavailability, I think the response would be entirely different.

1) The G in LGBT is for gay men. I'm pretty sure they don't care if Cassandra is available or not. The T stands for transgender; we have no idea if Cassandra finds transmen unappealing.

The phrase you're looking for is "queer women."

2) Yes, a bunch of us were upset with her being unavailable. The response was different because saying you find a character attractive, would love to romance her, and are sad she's unavailable is not the same as saying she's ugly and mannish, why-oh-why does BioWare hate men so?

Straight people not liking their straight options? Suck it up and deal with it hetero's....gay people not liking their gay options? Start up the Tumblr Social Justice WAR MACHINE!

Straight people know the true face of oppression: tumblr.

[Lebanese Dude]

necessary equipment 

You only need one piece of equipment and the OP already has it.

 

[holdenagincourt]

You know if it was the LGBT community complaining about Cassandra's unavailability, I think the response would be entirely different.

 

Straight people not liking their straight options? Suck it up and deal with it hetero's....gay people not liking their gay options? Start up the Tumblr Social Justice WAR MACHINE!

 

Edit: I also wasn't going to reply to this post because of the redundant content of it, but the wicked boomerang intolerance I'm seeing in regards to peoples opinion on this subject is kind of frustrating.

 

Well it's a good thing that all anyone here has to do to escape the mortifying intolerance exhibited by a few BSN posters toward the oppressed heterosexual population of the planet is walk out the front door into the real world.

 

I also wasn't going to respond to this topic, but the intellectual laziness of false equivalence between a few loud voices in favor of broader accessibility for romance options on the BSN and the actual power relationships between heteronormativity and LGBT individuals in society in general is, as well, kind of frustrating.

[Semipro]

If a gay person was complaining about their options, I would say the exact same, to suck it up and deal with it.  I have multiple times in the past, in fact.

 

Everyone gets at least 2 options.  Some people get a few more options.  If you care more about what OTHER people get, then that's your own damn problem, and a petty one.  If you don't like your options, that's also your own damn problem, not something Bioware needs to fix so that you can feel loved by that EXACT special, virtual someone that you want.  

 

While I agree that its not really BioWare's responsibility to ensure people get hand crafted perfect waifus and husbando's, this isn't Waifu Simulator 2014 after all....I simply responded to your post because your attitude is horrible and takes no consideration of peoples feelings into account, your response simply reinforces that impression.

 

Also its not specifically unusual for people to feel that BioWare has missed the mark with the options given even if the options are numerically the same as previous DA games. I personally do not find Cullen to be attractive, hes also too inactive to be interesting, the Bull is everything about men I don't like, Sola's is too introverted and doesn't jump races and Blackwall is like romancing your step father. From a bisexual perspective, Josephine is acceptable but her inactive companion status makes her feel limited and less like shes sharing your hardships, from a gay perspective, Sera is too crazy to be fun in the long term and again The Bull is everything about men I don't like. From a heterosexual male perspective, Cassandra becomes unattractive if you have an express lack of faith in religious belief...which is more than common in today's society for many people and Josephine, again, doesn't feel like shes sharing your experiences as much as she's providing the support infrastructure for them.

 

Now does BioWare have to fix any of that? No...and I never said that, but I can see where people are having issues with it just the same. And I do not respect people who's response to the concerns of others is "Suck it up cry baby".

[Lebanese Dude]

While I agree that its not really BioWare's responsibility to ensure people get hand crafted perfect waifus and husbando's, this isn't Waifu Simulator 2014 after all....I simply responded to your post because your attitude is horrible and takes no consideration of peoples feelings into account, your response simply reinforces that impression.

 

Also its not specifically unusual for people to feel that BioWare has missed the mark with the options given even if the options are numerically the same as previous DA games. I personally do not find Cullen to be attractive, hes also too inactive to be interesting, the Bull is everything about men I don't like, Sola's is too introverted and doesn't jump races and Blackwall is like romancing your step father. From a bisexual perspective, Josephine is acceptable but her inactive companion status makes her feel limited and less like shes sharing your hardships, from a gay perspective, Sera is too crazy to be fun in the long term and again The Bull is everything about men I don't like. From a heterosexual male perspective, Cassandra becomes unattractive if you have an express lack of faith in religious belief...which is more than common in today's society for many people and Josephine, again, doesn't feel like shes sharing your experiences as much as she's providing the support infrastructure for them.

 

Now does BioWare have to fix any of that? No...and I never said that, but I can see where people are having issues with it just the same. And I do not respect people who's response to the concerns of others is "Suck it up cry baby".

Sizing up each companion based on one attribute?

 

You should try Tinder.

[Semipro]

Well it's a good thing that all anyone here has to do to escape the mortifying intolerance exhibited by a few BSN posters toward the oppressed heterosexual population of the planet is walk out the front door into the real world.

 

I also wasn't going to respond to this topic, but the intellectual laziness of false equivalence between a few loud voices in favor of broader accessibility for romance options on the BSN and the actual power relationships between heteronormativity and LGBT individuals in society in general is, as well, kind of frustrating.

 

Heterosexual's are hardly oppressed, I'm just saying certain communities have less concern for their concerns than others. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Edit: My my aren't we a snarky little tart.

Modifié par Semipro, 23 novembre 2014 - 07:52 .

[Semipro]

Sizing up each companion based on one attribute?

 

You should try Tinder. 

 

I'm sorry, I was trying to keep my response down to a paragraph rather than a novel. Please do not assume I'm shallow because I'm not writing a biography for each character here. And in all fairness these characters are defined by a single attribute, a large, over-arching personality foundation in of which the writers of BioWare develop small nuances to give them life, so I am not doing any less than the creators of the characters did themselves.

[Lebanese Dude]

I'm sorry, I was trying to keep my response down to a paragraph rather than a novel. Please do not assume I'm shallow because I'm not writing a biography for each character here. And in all fairness these characters are defined by a single attribute, a large, over-arching personality foundation in of which the writers of BioWare develop small nuances to give them life, so I am not doing any less than the creators of the characters did themselves.

I was just joking

 

But I disagree on your idea that BioWare characters boil down to one attribute. They have a couple of major attributes that define their personality as best as possible to provide a necessary theme. They can only do so much with a limited word budget.

 

For example, you can call Fenris a mage-hating ex-slave and that would pretty much be his theme story-wise. However his character is more than that.

 

He is in pain.

He is trying to get over his problems but he can't. 

He is hounded by his past.

He has a sense of humor.

He is committed.

He is loyal to those he trusts.

He is voiced by Gideon Emery

He is tsundere.

 

So while a mage character can instantly swipe left because of the mage-hating part, one can easily enjoy his other attributes. I found his rival romance with my mage to be the sexiest, most engaging romance in the entire game despite disliking him at first.

 

Also I don't understand the problem with Cassandra disrespecting foreign beliefs. I think people are injecting real world religious experiences into the game. Thedas is a very spiritual place so that friction is inevitable.

 

Falling in love despite your differences is love.

Falling in love because of your differences is love.

 

I know this is a video game so I the term "love" here should apply to your characters, not yourself.

You need to roleplay as your characters and feel what they would feel.

If you self-insert...well... when you walk into a room full of people...there's always the off-chance that you find none attractive. 

[FaWa]

Why are there no asians in dragon age

[Rake451]

Why are there no asians in dragon age

Because they're across the sea, currently involved in an awesome Kung Fu based quest where a young monk and various allies (including a former drunken-boxer and an insanely violent mercenary) are battling a brutal sect of assassins for control of an empire.

[Vagrant91684]

There are more homosexual options than straight options...  It's like Bioware WANTS to make everybody gay.  Why can't it just reflect statistical norms?  It's just stupid, pure and simple.

[staindgrey]

There are more homosexual options than straight options...  It's like Bioware WANTS to make everybody gay.  Why can't it just reflect statistical norms?  It's just stupid, pure and simple.

There are not more homosexual options unless you're grouping gay and lesbian together. And even then, bisexual isn't the same thing.

 

Also, if we're going to be reflecting statistical norms in a role playing game, how many players would you estimate are qunari mages?

[Lebanese Dude]

There are more homosexual options than straight options...  It's like Bioware WANTS to make everybody gay.  Why can't it just reflect statistical norms?  It's just stupid, pure and simple.

 

...er...there are 2 for everyone except straight females who can get 4.

 

And the game does indeed follow "statistical norms" . Out of 12 people you have one gay guy, one lesbian, two bisexuals, and 4 straight ones. Leliana is a bisexual. Vivienne is unknown (but it appears she is a heterosexual), Cole is a child, and Varric is straight.

 

6 heterosexual..

3 bisexual.

2 homosexual.

1 child.

 

Your math needs some work. 

[Semipro]

I was just joking

 

But I disagree on your idea that BioWare characters boil down to one attribute. They have a couple of major attributes that define their personality as best as possible to provide a necessary theme. They can only do so much with a limited word budget.

 

For example, you can call Fenris a mage-hating ex-slave and that would pretty much be his theme story-wise. However his character is more than that.

 

He is in pain.

He is trying to get over his problems but he can't. 

He is hounded by his past.

He has a sense of humor.

He is committed.

He is loyal to those he trusts.

He is voiced by Gideon Emery

He is tsundere.

 

So while a mage character can instantly swipe left because of the mage-hating part, one can easily enjoy his other attributes. I found his rival romance with my mage to be the sexiest, most engaging romance in the entire game despite disliking him at first.

 

Also I don't understand the problem with Cassandra disrespecting foreign beliefs. I think people are injecting real world religious experiences into the game. Thedas is a very spiritual place so that friction is inevitable.

 

Falling in love despite your differences is what love is all about. 

 

Except most people don't fall in love with people that have massive differences of belief systems.

 

I, for example, am not marrying a Neo-Conservative American Republican...because...I find their world views to be something I cannot process. Even if they were wildly attractive and nice people at heart, their core beliefs about how the world should be and/or is, would preclude anything beyond perhaps a friendship over coffee or a tequila fueled one night stand at best. Doesn't make them a bad person...just not someone I'd want to spend my life with.

 

Perhaps I am simply not very progressive or as open minded as I think I am. But don't agree that love despite differences is what love is about, love is often about finding the one person that is as alike to you as possible as compared to all the others.

[FaWa]

There are more homosexual options than straight options...  It's like Bioware WANTS to make everybody gay.  Why can't it just reflect statistical norms?  It's just stupid, pure and simple.

Bioware is just trying to help you. Life is much better this way.

[Lebanese Dude]

Except most people don't fall in love with people that have massive differences of belief systems.

 

I, for example, am not marrying a Neo-Conservative American Republican...because...I find their world views to be something I cannot process. Even if they were wildly attractive and nice people at heart, their core beliefs about how the world should be and/or is, would preclude anything beyond perhaps a friendship over coffee or a tequila fueled one night stand at best. Doesn't make them a bad person...just not someone I'd want to spend my life with.

 

Perhaps I am simply not very progressive or as open minded as I think I am. But don't agree that love despite differences is what love is about, love is often about finding the one person that is as alike to you as possible as compared to all the others.

 

Well this is where we diverge into personal viewpoints that are ours alone.

 

I can't tell you what to like

 

Would your character always share your perspective though?

[MetalGear312]

necessary equipment

Sounds major.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

I get annoyed with the PC agenda as much as the next red blooded conservative bloke, but these are video games. Complaining about the lack of heterosexual options for romancing makes you look as petty as the other groups who would whinge about the same thing. It's not about accommodating one side or the other, it's about behaving like a reasonable rational human being. Rise above it and set an example.

[FaWa]

OP do not give up your dreams. Dig deep. Make more threads about this urgent problem.

[Semipro]

Well this is where we diverge into personal viewpoints that are ours alone.

 

I can't tell you what to like

 

Would your character always share your perspective though?

 

Not surprisingly my characters do tend to follow certain baseline normals from my own personality. Male or female, there are simple baselines that I role play from that I don't often deviate from except to see certain outcomes.

 

For example, as a completely non-gender/non-preference baseline...I am generally a good person, I want to do whats best for everyone I can,  I don't often play any game from an "evil" perspective, I couldn't even do a Renegade Shepard run with any real enthusiasm because I could not immerse myself in that character because that character was nothing like me. So concurrently I have no "bad" DA saves or worldstates either, though I have at times, done some experimentation to see how they felt and they just felt wrong to me when I did.

 

So yes my characters do tend to generally hold to strongly held beliefs of my own perspective. And I'm not adverse to homosexuality in the slightest, but I also don't explore it because it again, just feels out of place for me...and I say that from the position of someone who happily romances females as a male and males as a female. It doesn't matter what gender I am or what gender I am playing, I am always enamored by the opposite...so I am, perhaps extremely heterosexual, but in a non-exclusive manner? I dunno if that even makes sense...it does in my head though.