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[Maverick827]

Not surprisingly my characters do tend to follow certain baseline normals from my own personality. Male or female, there are simple baselines that I role play from that I don't often deviate from except to see certain outcomes.

 

For example, as a completely non-gender/non-preference baseline...I am generally a good person, I want to do whats best for everyone I can,  I don't often play any game from an "evil" perspective, I couldn't even do a Renegade Shepard run with any real enthusiasm because I could not immersive myself in that character because that character was nothing like me. So concurrently I have no "bad" DA saves or worldstates either, though I have at times, done some experimentation to see how they felt and they just felt wrong to me when I did.

 

So yes my characters do tend to generally hold to strongly held beliefs of my own perspective. And I'm not adverse to homosexuality in the slightest, but I also don't explore it because it again, just feels out of place for me...and I say that from the position of someone who happily romances females as a male and males as a female. It doesn't matter what gender I am or what gender I am playing, I am always enamored by the opposite...so I am, perhaps extremely heterosexual, but in a non-exclusive manner? I dunno if that even makes sense...it does in my head though.

 

I'm the same way.  I don't know what changed, because I used to be able to do "evil" characters, but for a while now I can only do good characters.  The worst I get is perhaps being a sarcastic, selfish jerk...until it really matters.  Then I'll do the right thing.

 

I also used to be able to make religious characters, but I haven't done that in a while, either.  Maybe if it's in a game set in the Forgotten Realms universe, where characters have actually met with and spoken to various gods, but I definitely can't in Dragon Age games.

[archav3n]

This thread brings bitterness. I still can't forgive BioWare for being unfair on the romances for straight males

[Battlebloodmage]

This thread brings bitterness. I still can't forgive BioWare for being unfair on the romances for straight males

It's ME3 for straight female, and every game for gay audience. I'm sure the straight males will get over it.

[Rake451]

It's ME3 for straight female, and every game for gay audience. I'm sure the straight males will get over it.

We'll soldier on, I'm sure.

[Maverick827]

Why do some people feel the need to denigrate "straight males," as if the OP represents every straight guy and that every straight guy has a problem with the romances in this game?

[AlanC9]

Probably because it's only straight males who ever whine about the romances, and when they do it they do it on behalf of straight males.

[demonic_cookie]

Also we are not denigrating you. We are making fun of you. There's a difference

[Lebanese Dude]

Probably because it's only straight males who ever whine about the romances, and when they do it they do it on behalf of straight males.

Some gay guys want Cullen.
Some lesbians wanted Cassandra
Some straight men wanted Sera.
Some straight women wanted....well **** they got everything.... Varric I guess ?

Point being that people of all sexual orientations have complained about their options.

The issue with straight guys is phrasing. The entitlement in their posts is definitely an issue.

So while I don't think straight guys should be held in contempt for complaining, they could definitely be less bratty,

[Maverick827]

Also we are not denigrating you. We are making fun of you. There's a difference

 

Denigrate means to criticize unfairly.

[LegendaryBlade]

Yeah, and there's only two options for gay men too and, really, I don't want to be broken in two so it's just Dorian. Next time Bioware just cut out another 25% of the game and give us twenty romances please.

[Semipro]

Some gay guys want Cullen.
Some lesbians wanted Cassandra
Some straight men wanted Sera.
Some straight women wanted....well **** they got everything.... Varric I guess ?

Point being that people of all sexual orientations have complained about their options.

The issue with straight guys is phrasing. The entitlement in their posts is definitely an issue.

So while I don't think straight guys should be held in contempt for complaining, they could definitely be less bratty,

 

Straight women didn't get Dorian...and to be fair, hes really charming. I'll trade Cullen and Cassandra for Dorian. Thats fair trade imho.

[LegendaryBlade]

Straight women didn't get Dorian...and to be fair, hes really charming. I'll trade Cullen and Cassandra for Dorian. Thats fair trade imho.

I'll take that trade. I really, really wanted to romance CUllen. My room mate practically heard me squeal when I saw the flirt option for him only to get shot down. You have have Dorian if I can have Cullen

[CrystaJ]

I want Solas, but I need to have pointy ears in order to do so.

 

The bi-sexual female elf gets the most romance options over any combination - clearly Bioware is pushing the elf agenda. When will the madness end?

[Lebanese Dude]

Straight women didn't get Dorian...and to be fair, hes really charming. I'll trade Cullen and Cassandra for Dorian. Thats fair trade imho.

 

If only that's how it worked

[Risien]

You know if it was the LGBT community complaining about Cassandra's unavailability, I think the response would be entirely different.

 

Straight people not liking their straight options? Suck it up and deal with it hetero's....gay people not liking their gay options? Start up the Tumblr Social Justice WAR MACHINE!

 

Edit: I also wasn't going to reply to this post because of the redundant content of it, but the wicked boomerang intolerance I'm seeing in regards to peoples opinion on this subject is kind of frustrating.

You're way off-base. When the LGBT community has complained, it's usually because they didn't get ANY options.  This guy is complaining because he didn't get MORE options than everyone else combined.

[Lebanese Dude]

I want Solas, but I need to have pointy ears in order to do so.

 

The bi-sexual female elf gets the most romance options over any combination - clearly Bioware is pushing the elf agenda. When will the madness end?

 

You dare question the female elf master race?

Katriel, Fiona, Tallis, and Briala laugh at you.

[Rasande]

 

This guy is complaining because he didn't get MORE options than everyone else combined.

 

Acually, he's complaining beacuse he's getting LESS options than most, which he is... where the hell did he say he wanted more than everyone else?

Lesbian and straight male characters only have 1 party member option and 1 advisor where everyone else has atleast 2 party member options.

 

Personally i couldn't give a crap and find his complaint abit silly but it's completely unfair to give him **** only beacuse he's straight.

[Risien]

Acually, he's complaining beacuse he's getting LESS options than most, which he is... where the hell did he say he wanted more than everyone else?

Lesbian and straight male characters only have 1 party member option and 1 advisor where everyone else has atleast 2 party member options.

 

Personally i couldn't give a crap and find his complaint abit silly but it's completely unfair to give him **** only beacuse he's straight.

Straight guys have 2 options, just like almost everybody else.  And he DID say very specifically that he believed straight guys should have more than everyone else, because he believes more straight guys play this game than everyone else.  A seriously stupid and self-entitled argument, which is why he's drawing so much heat.

 

Nobody is giving him crap "only because he's straight".  Knock off the straw man.

[TXAstarte]

Acually, he's complaining beacuse he's getting LESS options than most, which he is... where the hell did he say he wanted more than everyone else?

Lesbian and straight male characters only have 1 party member option and 1 advisor where everyone else has atleast 2 party member options.

 

Personally i couldn't give a crap and find his complaint abit silly but it's completely unfair to give him **** only beacuse he's straight.

 

His being straight has zero to do with it. 

 

Being a textbook example of heteronormative silliness might have an element.  

[staindgrey]

Acually, he's complaining beacuse he's getting LESS options than most, which he is... where the hell did he say he wanted more than everyone else?

Lesbian and straight male characters only have 1 party member option and 1 advisor where everyone else has atleast 2 party member options.

 

Personally i couldn't give a crap and find his complaint abit silly but it's completely unfair to give him **** only beacuse he's straight.

The very title implies that two options is not enough. The argument being made by straight guys isn't a problem because they're straight. It's a problem because their arguments make them come off as entitled brats. "There are more of us, so we should have more than two options". Of course that sort of reasoning is going to get a backlash.

 

I'm a straight male, and I think that argument makes a person sound asinine and condescending.

[drummerchick]

Hello everybody,

 

i'm usually not into forums but this point really bothers me. I really wonder why nobody else mentioned it yet here. Only two options and one of them isn't even a follower!? ...

OP can't read, but they can, at least, count to two.   *slow clap*

[staindgrey]

*snip*

I don't want to be too argumentative, but there's a flaw to your logic regarding the white knight syndrome and how you have to "chase" those female characters.

 

You have to do that with every character, in every Bioware game involving romance, minus perhaps Leliana's hardening option and the friendship/rivalry dynamic in DAII, only because those ways at least give you two ways to go about it. Every romance is sparked by "do things they agree with repeatedly, pick the flirt option, watch the cutscene", because Bioware has yet to figure out a better way of incorporating the complexities of romance into a videogame. Your example with Morrigan was an awful one, as she is quite possibly the most difficult to romance in the series: she has a strict set of choices you must make in multiple dialogue decisions or she'll inevitably cut you off. Her acting "girly" all of a sudden is really no different at all from Cassandra dropping her guard and opening up to you.

 

You can feel free to dislike the current offerings in the straight male department. That's your right, as that is entirely subjective. But your reasoning in this post fails to hold up, because these flaws aren't restricted entirely to straight male options.

[DrBlingzle]

Okay, screw it, I'm going to bypass all the arguments and go straight to the OP's original question because I've only just woken up up and frankly I can't deal with this sort of argument this early in the morning.

 

OP this actually has been mentioned numerous times in topics. I actually don't see it as a "problem" at all especially since we straight males have the same number of romance options as were in DA:O and DA:2. If however you do not like one or both of them I would not say that is bioware's fault, it is just simply your personal taste (and there is nothing wrong with that).

In regards to why straight women get more options, I imagine a romance for Cullen and Solas just worked well. I'm presuming a romance with Vivienne (instead of Cullen or Solas) wouldn't work for some storywise reason (I haven't played the game yet so I don't know). If however it would of worked then I personally think a romance for her should of been made instead of Solas or Cullen simply to balance out the numbers (3 options for hetero men, 3 for hetero women).

If that is in fact the case however, I do think the amount of abuse bioware is getting is totally disproportionate to the actual issue. I don't know if you're aware OP but there have been loads of people claiming bioware is forcing an "SJW agenda", "trying to make us all gay"  or how they are "oppressing straight males". It get's particularly infuriating as hardly anyone said anything when there were 5 more options for hetero males than hetero women in ME3.

 

If you have a problem with this I would recommend making a topic politely asking (not demanding) for an equal amount of romance options for the next game. 

[Battlebloodmage]

The very title implies that two options is not enough. The argument being made by straight guys isn't a problem because they're straight. It's a problem because their arguments make them come off as entitled brats. "There are more of us, so we should have more than two options". Of course that sort of reasoning is going to get a backlash.

 

I'm a straight male, and I think that argument makes a person sound asinine and condescending.

I thought straight guys like you went extinct on the forum.

 

j/k, honestly, I don't think people have anything about straight guys. It's just the straight guys made threads like this almost everyday. There are 3 different active threads on this right now, and their reasons are often about they have more people, so they should be treated special sort of things. I agree with a lot of what you said.