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[Maverick827]

For the sake of argument, why shouldn't the majority, whoever that might be, receive more attention for any given product?

[LonewandererD]

^Because this is Bioware's story and they'll write it the way they wish. Just because the majority wants more doesn't mean they're going to get it, the writers have their own visions and ideas on the interpersonal desires, preferences and activities of their characters. If this is really a problem that needs to be addressed I would remind people that the majority are still buying and playing the game in spite of this.

 

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[Lindum]

As a heterosexual male, I am happy with two romance options. Straight males have always had two romance choices in Dragon Age games.

Whenever, I replay Dragon Age Origins, I still have trouble choosing who to romance, because both Morrigan and Leliana are great well written characters.

However, my only disappointment with the straight male romance options is the fact that both choices are human again. I would very much like to see a little more variety in the next Dragon Age game, if at possible please.

[karushna5]

For the sake of argument, why shouldn't the majority, whoever that might be, receive more attention for any given product?

 

They already do. many of these arguments act like Bioware are the only ones who make games. the vast majority of games, they support straight men even putting you with a girl and taking for granted you are a straight man. So Bioware not doing that makes it more even across the board. by them doing it, they are giving options for those people. Add in as many women seem to play these games as men. (I mean other sites complain about the BSN because of feminists which implies there are a lot of hard core female fans)

 

Also, I know many straight men who play as women and love that there are lesbians in the game. They think women are easier to look at or want that story and often pursue lesbian content. Also many straight women seem to play as gay men. In fact every Bisexual and straight woman I know is planning on doing a playthrough to romance dorian or Iron Bull even on their first playthrough.

 

All of this makes the fact that straight men are the majority and should get more a little more shaky. If it helps, I think Bioware will rotate who gets more, straight men or women.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

However, my only disappointment with the straight male romance options is the fact that both choices are human again. I would very much like to see a little more variety in the next Dragon Age game, if at possible please.

That'd be nice. I'm just impressed we've finally got a female warrior romance.

[Rasande]

The very title implies that two options is not enough. The argument being made by straight guys isn't a problem because they're straight. It's a problem because their arguments make them come off as entitled brats. "There are more of us, so we should have more than two options". Of course that sort of reasoning is going to get a backlash.

 

I'm a straight male, and I think that argument makes a person sound asinine and condescending.

 

So what if the title implies this or that, people word themselves poorly sometimes. They also skim threads after working all night and end up missing a post or two that aparently got people so upset.

 

Ofcourse that isn't an argument i agree with, i defended him beacuse from my perspective people were jumping to conclusions when they apparently weren't. I decided to stick up for him on impulse and ended up making an ass of myself

[Maverick827]

You don't make an ass of yourself sticking up for someone other people are attacking or making fun of.

[Panda]

And only two romance options for gay, lesbian and straight female qunari and dwarf Inquisitors. I wonder why people keep forgetting those.

[Battlebloodmage]

And only two romance options for gay, lesbian and straight female qunari and dwarf Inquisitors. I wonder why people keep forgetting those.

It's a distinction without a difference because I would gladly play as a male elf or human to romance Cullen, but less likely wanting to play as a female one. Gender identity is very difference than fantasy race. There is relatablity like there are cases where people who feel like they're gay men stuck in female body. What they feel like and who they are attracted to is not at all like comparing fantasy races with sexuality or orientation. 

[Lebanese Dude]

As a heterosexual male, I am happy with two romance options. Straight males have always had two romance choices in Dragon Age games.

Whenever, I replay Dragon Age Origins, I still have trouble choosing who to romance, because both Morrigan and Leliana are great well written characters.

However, my only disappointment with the straight male romance options is the fact that both choices are human again. I would very much like to see a little more variety in the next Dragon Age game, if at possible please.

Give me a gay human warrior knight and you can have all the Hardings and FemQunari babes you want.

[karushna5]

Honestly Race of the character should not be figured in. That is a specific choice that has little to do withrepresentation. While I don't agree with him, I do think people should recognize that Qunari/Dwarf straight women should not be a seperate catagory.

 

Otherwise?

 

Yes, gay men and lesbian women have only 2 options as well. Lesbians also only have 1 companion and 1 advisor so it is pretty even

[Lebanese Dude]

And only two romance options for gay, lesbian and straight female qunari and dwarf Inquisitors. I wonder why people keep forgetting those.

 

Race and Gender are two distinct attributes.

 

The former is pure fantasy (Qunari and Elves. A race of short humans has real world representation like the Pygmy tribes but isn't common enough) while the latter is an exact replica of our real world (male and female with transgender and intersex being headcanon-able). 

 

So there is a difference between (fantasy) racial boundaries and gender ones.
 

[staindgrey]

For the sake of argument, why shouldn't the majority, whoever that might be, receive more attention for any given product?

The problem with your statement is the "should" part. They "should" not receive anything. They're investing in a story Bioware is creating. Bioware is not obligated to alter their story to benefit the majority, just as they're not obligated to alter it for the minority, either. They're obligated to create their art as they wish to create it, unhindered by social politics.

 

But, that's an ideal world. We don't live in one, so people have to nitpick. My argument would be that straight relationships already dominate most of the media industry, from other games to comic books to films. If there's one game series that offers more non-straight options, then good. Everyone deserves to be represented somewhere.

 

I think Western straight white males (myself included) often forget that growing up as an alienated youth based on anything that isn't straight, white, male or vaguely Christian must really, really suck.

[Panda]

It's a distinction without a difference because I would gladly play as a male elf or human to romance Cullen, but less likely wanting to play as a female one. Gender identity is very difference than fantasy race. There is relatablity like there are cases where people who feel like they're gay men stuck in female body. What they feel like and who they are attracted to is not at all like comparing fantasy races with sexuality or orientation. 

 

 

Race and Gender are two distinct attributes.

 

The former is pure fantasy (Qunari and Elves. A race of short humans has real world representation like the Pygmy tribes but isn't common enough) while the latter is an exact replica of our real world (male and female with transgender and intersex being headcanon-able). 

 

So there is a difference between (fantasy) racial boundaries and gender ones.
 

 

Not what I meant at all.

 

Everyone but two of gender+ race + sexuality combination has more than 2 choices. Still people seem to forget that almost everyone has 2 options, straight female elf and human got extras. None else did.

[karushna5]

Not what I meant at all.

 

Everyone but two of gender+ race + sexuality combination has more than 2 choices. Still people seem to forget that almost everyone has 2 options, straight female elf and human got extras. None else did.

 

The issue is putting elf/dwarf seperate from that. Truth is everyone has the same except for straight women. It seems disingenuous to make it seem more or less based on fantasy races. I understand your point, but it is better for straight women to be one catagory than to seperate them off based on fantasy race. Every one has 2 options other than Straight women who have 4

[Lebanese Dude]

Not what I meant at all.

 

Everyone but two of gender+ race + sexuality combination has more than 2 choices. Still people seem to forget that almost everyone has 2 options, straight female elf and human got extras. None else did.

 

Not arguing that you are wrong from a numbers perspective.

 

However those who play as straight female characters (their prerogative) have access to four potential LIs. 

The racial boundary is not as significant for the player because they still get to play their preferred gender. The race is an after-thought because that is purely fictional.

[Panda]

The issue is putting elf/dwarf seperate from that. Truth is everyone has the same except for straight women. It seems disingenuous to make it seem more or less based on fantasy races. I understand your point, but it is better for straight women to be one catagory than to seperate them off based on fantasy race. Every one has 2 options other than Straight women who have 4

Not arguing that you are wrong from a numbers perspective.

 

However those who play as straight female characters (their prerogative) have access to four potential LIs. 

The racial boundary is not as significant for the player because they still get to play their preferred gender. The race is an after-thought because that is purely fictional.

 

 

Naah, that arguement only works if everyone's playstyle is playing on their own gender and own sexuality. Which isn't case of big portion of the players. Then the race can be as important or more than gender so that argument works just for portion of players. I personally have 8 LI option's in the game and I'm looking forward romancing 4 of them.

[LegendaryBlade]

You know what the real travesty is? That you can't romance the scout dwarf. Holy **** she is so cute, but you only get a few flirty lines. Why is Bioware racist against dwarves that there are still no female dwarf romances?

[Battlebloodmage]

Naah, that arguement only works if everyone's playstyle is playing on their own gender and own sexuality. Which isn't case of big portion of the players. Then the race can be as important or more than gender so that argument works just for portion of players. I personally have 8 LI option's in the game and I'm looking forward romancing 4 of them.

You are making the same argument as the people who demanding straight male romance because there are more people to play certain content. Second of all, for a lot of LGBT, they prefer to play as their own gender and sexuality because it's one of the few games where they can actually be who they are. You can dismiss it and say that it's not important. Yes, you can play as the other gender, but then it would just be another one of those games where they have to play as someone they're not. If it's as easy as playing a different gender then there wouldn't be a need to add gay contents in the first place.

[Lebanese Dude]

Naah, that arguement only works if everyone's playstyle is playing on their own gender and own sexuality. Which isn't case of big portion of the players. Then the race can be as important or more than gender so that argument works just for portion of players. I personally have 8 LI option's in the game and I'm looking forward romancing 4 of them.

I too have no qualms playing a straight male or female character of any SO despite being gay. My favorite romance is straight female + Alistair although Dorian may top it.

Not many share our perspective. In fact I can point out several straight people on here who have pointed out an aversion to playing an opposite gender or same sex character. Many women here refuse to play men because they have the female option.

In comparison, few people have an issue with playing a select race.

[karushna5]

Naah, that arguement only works if everyone's playstyle is playing on their own gender and own sexuality. Which isn't case of big portion of the players. Then the race can be as important or more than gender so that argument works just for portion of players. I personally have 8 LI option's in the game and I'm looking forward romancing 4 of them.

 

But personal playstyle is very different from actually being recognized by the game. If playstyle counts straight women who prefer blonds only get one option seems as sensible as saying Qunari/dwarf. It is something outside the realm we are talking about and is a false equivalency. Fantasy race and playstyle choice (Straight women who want an all mage playthrough only have 1 choice and they have to be elven) are not equivalent to orientation and gender. The amount of times media in general has recognized a romance for lesbians is incredibly rare I have to constantly hunt for it. This is part of recognizing yourself and experiance where you get to be a hero and have representation where you would otherwise never get it.

 

that is why representation matters, the rest is customization.

[staindgrey]

You know what the real travesty is? That you can't romance the scout dwarf. Holy **** she is so cute, but you only get a few flirty lines. Why is Bioware racist against dwarves that there are still no female dwarf romances?

Best headcanon romance available.

[Lebanese Dude]

But personal playstyle is very different from actually being recognized by the game. If playstyle counts straight women who prefer blonds only get one option seems as sensible as saying Qunari/dwarf. It is something outside the realm we are talking about and is a false equivalency. Fantasy race and playstyle choice (Straight women who want an all mage playthrough only have 1 choice and they have to be elven) are not equivalent to orientation and gender. The amount of times media in general has recognized a romance for lesbians is incredibly rare I have to constantly hunt for it. This is part of recognizing yourself and experiance where you get to be a hero and have representation where you would otherwise never get it.
 
that is why representation matters, the rest is customization.

Well put.

[Lebanese Dude]

Best headcanon romance available.

If EA wants big bucks they should release a Hard for Harding DLC.

Pretty sure this has eclipsed hair choices in posts on Reddit.

[LegendaryBlade]

If EA wants big bucks they should release a Hard for Harding DLC.

Pretty sure this has eclipsed hair choices in posts on Reddit.

I would literally replay the whole game to romance Harding instead. I am glad to see I am not the only person upset you couldn't romance her.