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[von uber]

I agree that the breath scene was probably a bad idea. I just think that even though it was perhaps poorly executed, it was meant to imply that Shepard survives.

 

I don't disagree with that. It just baffles me why they chose to do it this way.

[prosthetic soul]

I don't disagree with that. It just baffles me why they chose to do it this way.

It baffles me that Bioware was so stubborn in not elaborating on High EMS destroy.  And it pains me greatly knowing I will never get closure on the ending I actually chose.  Of the four endings I had to put up with, the one I begrudgingly went with didn't even offer me CLOSURE!!  CLOSURE ON THE ONE CHARACTER I HAD INVESTED MY TIME, EMOTION, AND MONEY INTO FOR FIVE FREAKING YEARS. 

 

Now Mass Effect 4 comes along and Bioware's acting like everything's ****** dorey.  "ME 4 will leave Shepard behind." YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED HIS STORY YET THOUGH.  YOU GOT TO FINISH THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY BEFORE YOU CAN CONTINUE ONTO ANOTHER MAIN CHARACTER.    ARGGHGGH. 

 

People will ask me "Chronoid, why do you do this to yourself?  Why do insist on hanging around here if Mass Effect is dead to you? Are you masochistic?"  You really want to know why?  I'll give you the answer:

Spoiler

 

And with that, I am officially retiring for the night before this vein in my forehead gets any larger. 

[Autoola]

1. This is just fanfiction headcanon.

2. Shepard survives that ending. 

3. ...why not just complain that what we got sucked.

1. Right. But it is a realistic conclusion to the events we´ve seen.

2. I know.

3. I´m not into writing literally. I use "reading between the lines" instead and so this is what I meant.

 

I agree that the breath scene was probably a bad idea. I just think that even though it was perhaps poorly executed, it was meant to imply that Shepard survives.

Just to make it sure: I don´t think that it was a bad idea. I agree totally with your second sentence.

 

I don't disagree with that. It just baffles me why they chose to do it this way.

Exactly. If Shep is allowed to survive, why not doing it right? (rhetorical question)

[Oni Changas]

I just did Grissom Academy for the upteenth time. Meeting David Archer always gets me a little choked up. (but if you repeat that I'll have to kill you)

"The square root of 906.01 equals ... ?

"30.1"

*sniffle*

Yeah that psychotic murdering scumbag.

For me the wasted potential in things like Kai Leng, Harbinger and the DK novels.

[Oni Changas]

I just did Grissom Academy for the upteenth time. Meeting David Archer always gets me a little choked up. (but if you repeat that I'll have to kill you)

"The square root of 906.01 equals ... ?

"30.1"

*sniffle*

Yeah that psychotic murdering scumbag.

For me the wasted potential in things like Kai Leng, Harbinger and the DK novels.

[Khajiin]

Mordins dead while curing the Genophage .. hell I never cared much about him but that scene mad him one of my favorite characters, challenging even Garrus.

[Taleroth]

Legion betrayed everything he stood for and it's treated as a good thing.

[The Devlish Redhead]

Legion betrayed everything he stood for and it's treated as a good thing.

 

 

Really? How so I like Legion

[Daemul]

Quarian Extinction + Tali Suicide HAS TO BE the saddest moment. People she even apologizes before commiting suicide.

 

You get her entire species killed and she says she is sorry before killing herself.

 

I don't see how anything can beat that.

 

That whole scene was tragically beautiful, near poetic.

 

One brilliant thing which Bioware could have done, to make that scene even more powerful, was to actually show Tali's face when she took off her mask, with tears streaming down her face, just before she said, "I'm sorry", and jumped off the cliff. There was no better chance for them to show Tali's face, than that exact moment. Dat emotional impact. 

 

Bioware y u no do this?!

 

Mordins dead while curing the Genophage .. hell I never cared much about him but that scene mad him one of my favorite characters, challenging even Garrus.

 

 

Shooting Mordin, than watching him crawl to the control panel in a desperate attempt to cure the genophage, but dying before he could reach it, was more sad.

 

He forced my hand though, it had to be done. ;_;

[Valmar]

Really? How so I like Legion

 

You liked Legion yet don't see how the character was completely changed in ME3? Interesting.

 

I'll make it short and simple: Legion, the geth in general, felt very strongly that they shouldn't accept the reaper's help. They had philosophical views that went against accepting the reaper technology. In fact it was this belief that ultimately divided the heretics from the geth. Legion's entire loyalty mission and much of it's dialogue in the second game is essentially elaborating on this fact.

 

If Shepard destroys the collector base, for example, Legion will comment how we rejected using the reaper's tech on our species own terms - something it compares being akin to the Geth. You know, because the Geth reject the reapers help and insist that they will build their own future. They believe the journey is just as important as the destination, basically.

 

 

... Then ME3 comes along then the Geth giddy and skip to get reaper upgrades. Worse of all it is all presented to us as a GOOD thing.

 

I miss Legion. It's a shame he died after ME2. It's a shame we never meet him again. Or the geth, for that matter. Since really "Legion" and the "Geth" of ME3 are just Heretics, minus the worship.

[The Devlish Redhead]

You liked Legion yet don't see how the character was completely changed in ME3? Interesting.

 

I'll make it short and simple: Legion, the geth in general, felt very strongly that they shouldn't accept the reaper's help. They had philosophical views that went against accepting the reaper technology. In fact it was this belief that ultimately divided the heretics from the geth. Legion's entire loyalty mission and much of it's dialogue in the second game is essentially elaborating on this fact.

 

If Shepard destroys the collector base, for example, Legion will comment how we rejected using the reaper's tech on our species own terms - something it compares being akin to the Geth. You know, because the Geth reject the reapers help and insist that they will build their own future. They believe the journey is just as important as the destination, basically.

 

 

... Then ME3 comes along then the Geth giddy and skip to get reaper upgrades. Worse of all it is all presented to us as a GOOD thing.

 

I miss Legion. It's a shame he died after ME2. It's a shame we never meet him again. Or the geth, for that matter. Since really "Legion" and the "Geth" of ME3 are just Heretics, minus the worship.

 

 

Ah OK that makes more sense and I did notice a difference just I went for peace between the Quarians and the Geth.........

 

Next playthrough though I sided with the Geth

[Valmar]

Ah OK that makes more sense and I did notice a difference just I went for peace between the Quarians and the Geth.........

 

Next playthrough though I sided with the Geth

 

I did too. Though the more I reflect on it the more I feel that I should have sided with the quarians... The geth are strangers at this point.

[The Devlish Redhead]

In a way I don't feel sorry for the quarians.......They made the Geth and the Geth wanted to live

[ImaginaryMatter]

In a way I don't feel sorry for the quarians.......They made the Geth and the Geth wanted to live

 

ME3 made me really unsympathetic towards the Quarians. I think its unfair how the story treated them but the one sided-ness was still effective. The one playthrough I had where peace wasn't available I chose the Geth without hesitation and the destruction of the Migrant Fleet didn't affect me in the least bit.

[Barquiel]

Rila's death always gets me a little choked up. Seeing Falere dragged away from her sister. Samara and Falere's reaction afterwards just hits something in me (but it was nice to see them on Thessia in the epilogue). Mordin's death and the end of the Thessia mission were also very emotional...and handing over Charr's farewell letter

Then when I thought Grunt would die fighting Indoctrinated Rachni, luckily that turned out better than I originally thought. Legion's sacrifice was also sad (I didn't really care about the quarians, they had every opportunity to avoid their fate), mostly because I really liked Legion...but at the same time it felt somewhat pointless. I thought it was a bit too contrived (and unexplained).

[Vazgen]

ME3 made me really unsympathetic towards the Quarians. I think its unfair how the story treated them but the one sided-ness was still effective. The one playthrough I had where peace wasn't available I chose the Geth without hesitation and the destruction of the Migrant Fleet didn't affect me in the least bit.

Interesting. All the pro-geth talk in the game actually made me like them less. And their change to seeking individuality ruined all the good feelings I had towards them. They are too different, use Reaper upgrades. Can't trust them

[CaIIisto]

I miss Legion. It's a shame he died after ME2. It's a shame we never meet him again. Or the geth, for that matter. Since really "Legion" and the "Geth" of ME3 are just Heretics, minus the worship.

Certainly made wiping them out a whole lot easier to live with.....

[Daemul]

The destruction of the Migrant Fleet didn't affect me in the least bit.

 

Certainly made wiping them out a whole lot easier to live with.....

 

[themikefest]

What's sad is Tali/Raan stand there doing nothing while Geth vi/Legion upload the code. If they care about their people, why didn't they make any attempt to stop the upload? If the player chooses the Quarians, the gethvi/Legion attack Shepard.

[Valmar]

What's sad is Tali/Raan stand there doing nothing while Geth vi/Legion upload the code. If they care about their people, why didn't they make any attempt to stop the upload? If the player chooses the Quarians, the gethvi/Legion attack Shepard.

 

Never really thought about it that way before. Interesting observation.

[CaIIisto]

To be fair, Legion's attack wasn't much of an attack - it moved about two inches before it met with a full clip to the face....

[Taleroth]

You liked Legion yet don't see how the character was completely changed in ME3? Interesting.

 

I'll make it short and simple: Legion, the geth in general, felt very strongly that they shouldn't accept the reaper's help. They had philosophical views that went against accepting the reaper technology. In fact it was this belief that ultimately divided the heretics from the geth. Legion's entire loyalty mission and much of it's dialogue in the second game is essentially elaborating on this fact.

 

If Shepard destroys the collector base, for example, Legion will comment how we rejected using the reaper's tech on our species own terms - something it compares being akin to the Geth. You know, because the Geth reject the reapers help and insist that they will build their own future. They believe the journey is just as important as the destination, basically.

 

 

... Then ME3 comes along then the Geth giddy and skip to get reaper upgrades. Worse of all it is all presented to us as a GOOD thing.

 

I miss Legion. It's a shame he died after ME2. It's a shame we never meet him again. Or the geth, for that matter. Since really "Legion" and the "Geth" of ME3 are just Heretics, minus the worship.

That's one part, but it's not the one that bothers me more. You can kind of view it as a big picture thing.

 

This is a somewhat famous saying of Legion's

 

 

No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism.

 

The Legion of ME2 was written specifically to defy the Pinocchio trope. He's meant to be a largely emotionless robot, the result of a collective of processes, substantially different from the rest of the galaxy. It is important to understand and accept that the Geth are different and not have them longing to be like everyone else.

 

ME3 Legion abandons this entirely. Suddenly they're no longer good enough. (EDI really stresses this and it's why I'll never play the EC either) Becoming individuals like everyone else is somehow an improvement, not just because the upgrade makes them more powerful, but because only individuals are alive.

 

His final words if you kill him are "does this unit have a soul?" No, he doesn't. And he should know that.

[God]

I don't disagree with that. It just baffles me why they chose to do it this way.

 

Too many people would take it as a sign of High EMS Destroy being the best ending.

 

BW didn't want to do that:

 

1) it would detract from synthesis, which is clearly the best ending.

 

2) it would unconsciously pressure players into taking it as the best ending when they wanted people to come to their own conclusions about the endings.

[prosthetic soul]

Too many people would take it as a sign of High EMS Destroy being the best ending.

 

BW didn't want to do that:

 

1) it would detract from synthesis, which is clearly the best ending.

 

2) it would unconsciously pressure players into taking it as the best ending when they wanted people to come to their own conclusions about the endings.

You know, your username may be God but it may as well say Satan's Advocate.  Synthesis is not the best ending.  Not by a country mile.

 

"Making your own conclusion about the ending" means jack squat when every ending EXCEPT HIGH EMS Destroy is pretty clear cut.