http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dcJcH1rmtkk
When Morrigan, Kieran and Flemeth meet in The Fade, it looks as if Flemeth takes the old god soul from the boy into herself. Was that the whole point of the ritual? To save the dragon's soul and then transfer it out later? Is Kieran a normal boy now?
For me its kinda disappointing, I really liked the idea of an uncorrupted old god returning to the world.
And during the epilogue, does Solas now have 3 godly souls?
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dcJcH1rmtkk
When Morrigan, Kieran and Flemeth meet in The Fade, it looks as if Flemeth takes the old god soul from the boy into herself. Was that the whole point of the ritual? To save the dragon's soul and then transfer it out later? Is Kieran a normal boy now?
For me its kinda disappointing, I really liked the idea of an uncorrupted old god returning to the world.
And during the epilogue, does Solas now have 3 godly souls?
The DR is usless as well as the Ultimate sacrifice, they give you the illusion of a choice but in fact the developers cannot create 2 different dragon age universe for an optional choice. They chose to use the so called statement "a soul is not forced upon the unwilling" so the soul of the archedemon do not belong to anyone , and Morrigan's son is only a vessel for the soul while Flemeth and Mythal are the same being because Mythal choose Flemeth as a sort of reincarnation.
Kieran is a normal boy while the soul of the old god as you can see now is in the fade but for the Dragon age lore when the soul of a being reach the fade the being go to the next world and forever disappear, so no chance to find the soul again.
For the developer is more easy to use the ultimate sacrifice as a plot because they can simply use the masoleum at wehissaupt to remember the warden.
Solas i dont know... he is the dread wolf , but during the game he act like a good character, but the dread wolf is a liar and during a quest we can see that a demon accused him for somthing in the elven tongue that someone here in the forum translated.
The DR is usless as well as the Ultimate sacrifice, they give you the illusion of a choice but in fact the developers cannot create 2 different dragon age universe for an optional choice. They chose to use the so called statement "a soul is not forced upon the unwilling" so the soul of the archedemon do not belong to anyone , and Morrigan's son is only a vessel for the soul while Flemeth and Mythal are the same being because Mythal choose Flemeth as a sort of reincarnation.
Kieran is a normal boy while the soul of the old god as you can see now is in the fade but for the Dragon age lore when the soul of a being reach the fade the being go to the next world and forever disappear, so no chance to find the soul again.
For the developer is more easy to use the ultimate sacrifice as a plot because they can simply use the masoleum at wehissaupt to remember the warden.
Solas i dont know... he is the dread wolf , but during the game he act like a good character, but the dread wolf is a liar and during a quest we can see that a demon accused him for somthing in the elven tongue that someone here in the forum translated.
Don't we learn that stories aren't always true though? The Dread Wolf doesn't have to be evil just because a few Dalish stories say so.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dcJcH1rmtkk
When Morrigan, Kieran and Flemeth meet in The Fade, it looks as if Flemeth takes the old god soul from the boy into herself. Was that the whole point of the ritual? To save the dragon's soul and then transfer it out later? Is Kieran a normal boy now?
For me its kinda disappointing, I really liked the idea of an uncorrupted old god returning to the world.
And during the epilogue, does Solas now have 3 godly souls?
It appears that Kieran is now normal, which is indeed a little disappointing. Flemeth has taken the old god soul into herself but I don't think that was intended back when the DR was decided on. Things change. And indeed, it would appear that Solas now integrates several powerful entities. But whose personality is dominant? Is any?
The DR is usless as well as the Ultimate sacrifice, they give you the illusion of a choice but in fact the developers cannot create 2 different dragon age universe for an optional choice. They chose to use the so called statement "a soul is not forced upon the unwilling" so the soul of the archedemon do not belong to anyone , and Morrigan's son is only a vessel for the soul while Flemeth and Mythal are the same being because Mythal choose Flemeth as a sort of reincarnation.
Kieran is a normal boy while the soul of the old god as you can see now is in the fade but for the Dragon age lore when the soul of a being reach the fade the being go to the next world and forever disappear, so no chance to find the soul again.
For the developer is more easy to use the ultimate sacrifice as a plot because they can simply use the masoleum at wehissaupt to remember the warden.
Solas i dont know... he is the dread wolf , but during the game he act like a good character, but the dread wolf is a liar and during a quest we can see that a demon accused him for somthing in the elven tongue that someone here in the forum translated.
F**k the Solas , I would much Kieran with the soul of the old god in another game than Solas, As you said, Biowarre only gave us an illusion, after all is a marked history, there is no way to change anything it.
I rejected the dark ritual in my playthrough because I didn't want a potential Eight Blight to occur. When I watched Lady Insanity's stream and seeing her mortified after Solas absorbed Flemeth, all I could do was laugh. "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen? Why did you think the DARK Ritual was such a good idea?"
Please excuse me while I brew some tea made from DR-Run tears. 
F**k the Solas , I would much Kieran with the soul of the old god in another game than Solas, As you said, Biowarre only gave us an illusion, after all is a marked history, there is no way to change anything it.
in fact we can kill flemeth 1000 times she can survive always, we can choose a divine (another illusion) they can replace her, we can kill Corypheus or the architect they can choose to reuse them.
I rejected the dark ritual in my playthrough because I didn't want a potential Eight Blight to occur. When I watched Lady Insanity's stream and seeing her mortified after Solas absorbed Flemeth, all I could do was laugh. "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen? Why did you think the DARK Ritual was such a good idea?"
Please excuse me while I brew some tea made from DR-Run tears.
AHAAHHA Morrigan "i have a plan you see..." so do I " TEA time for everyone" enjoy the tears..... 
Where is this idea coming from that Flemeth lets the soul go into the fade? In my playthrough and those I've watched on youtube, the soul goes ~into Flemeth~, she doesn't release it elsewhere.
Where is this idea coming from that Flemeth lets the soul go into the fade? In my playthrough and those I've watched on youtube, the soul goes ~into Flemeth~, she doesn't release it elsewhere.
At the epilogue it looks like she's pushing it through the Eluvian right before Solas shows up
Where is this idea coming from that Flemeth lets the soul go into the fade? In my playthrough and those I've watched on youtube, the soul goes ~into Flemeth~, she doesn't release it elsewhere.
In my game, Flemeth returned the soul after speaking with me. She puts her hands up towards him and the soul (a blue orb) goes back into Kieran. She then tells him to go. Afterwards she says something to Morrigan that I can't remember.
In my game, Flemeth returned the soul after speaking with me. She puts her hands up towards him and the soul (a blue orb) goes back into Kieran. She then tells him to go. Afterwards she says something to Morrigan that I can't remember.
The dragon age wiki does not say anything about Flemeth doing this. You must have not seen it correctly or are trolling, because that wouldnt even make sense for her to lure in Kieran to take his soul and then just give it back.
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The dragon age wiki does not say anything about Flemeth doing this. You must have not seen it correctly or are trolling, because that wouldnt even make sense for her to lure in Kieran to take his soul and then just give it back.
The DA wiki doesn't have all of the Inquisition content listed yet
The DA wiki doesn't have all of the Inquisition content listed yet
Its never going to have something listed that doesn't actually happen. Unless wetnasty meant the epilogue scene, where Flemeth is doing something to an eluvian. Since that scene happen in every DAI game, even ones where the Dark Ritual was not performed, it safe to assume that Urthemiel's sould had nothing to do with whatever it was Flemeth was doing.
Her own soul, on quite the other hand! It wouldn't be the first time she's tucked a small piece of herself away, to avoid death. Eh?
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You restored a tainted god to an untainted god soul. People assume she is going to use it for power or evil but I just don't really see it that way. I feel like she's not really done anything that is evil and is working slowly toward doing what she can to help the world in her own way. When you go for the grimoire, she offers to just give it to you if you leave her in peace. Now this is particularly telling because you can kill her but she won't die. She knows she won't. She made plans. Several from the sounds of it in DA2. So she pretty much knows she will survive though not 100% certain - more like 99%. But still she doesn't really want to fight you. I don't see her as evil. I see her as willing to exact justice on people who have done bad things that have harmed others. I think she also wants to preserve what she can by saving the old god from the taint or death. The assumption was actually that morrigan would use the child as a source of power but morrigan turned out to love him more than most could have imagined.
Its never going to have something listed that doesn't actually happen. Unless wetnasty meant the epilogue scene, where Flemeth is doing something to an eluvian. Since that scene happen in every DAI game, even ones where the Dark Ritual was not performed, it safe to assume that Urthemiel's sould had nothing to do with whatever it was Flemeth was doing.
Her own soul, on quite the other hand! It wouldn't be the first time she's tucked a small piece of herself away, to avoid death. Eh?
the soul is the one of the Old god Urthemiel the same with a blue light you need to watch more carefully instead to create another story, DR is usless the soul of the archedemon is free to go into the fade this is flemeth purpose, while Morrigan only intend to have the perfect mage child, but Kieran and Urthemiel are two different being.
http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Urthemiel
Don't we learn that stories aren't always true though? The Dread Wolf doesn't have to be evil just because a few Dalish stories say so.
^ This.
The Dread Wolf actually rebelled against the rest of the elven pantheon for justice, and to save the people from their arrogance and mistreatment. He imprisoned them to save them from themselves, hoping it would have made the world a better place. But upon awakening, he was betrayed by Cory, and his actions made things far worse in the long run. The 'trickster' is merely a new, likely incorrect Dalish adaptation of what Fen'Harel was at the time.
I felt every bit of sadness and pain and guilt that Solas did at the end of the game. Amazingly well done.
^ This.
The Dread Wolf actually rebelled against the rest of the elven pantheon for justice, and to save the people from their arrogance and mistreatment. He imprisoned them to save them from themselves, hoping it would have made the world a better place. But upon awakening, he was betrayed by Cory, and his actions made things far worse in the long run. The 'trickster' is merely a new, likely incorrect Dalish adaptation of what Fen'Harel was at the time.
I felt every bit of sadness and pain and guilt that Solas did at the end of the game. Amazingly well done.
the evil god among the elven phanteon is Helgarnan the god of vengeance creator of the taint ruler of the black city, as Solas said " the true anger is the true darkness" referring to Helgarnan. Also flemeth was betrayed by her husband connobar while Mythal by Helgarnan, this is why Mythal choose flemeth because they are similar.
however the fact that remains is that the old god baby tales is over.
the evil god among the elven phanteon is Helgarnan the god of vengeance creator of the taint ruler of the black city, as Solas said " the true anger is the true darkness" referring to Helgarnan. Also flemeth was betrayed by her husband connobar while Mythal by Helgarnan, this is why Mythal choose flemeth because they are similar.
however the fact that remains is that the old god baby tales is over.
I think you mean Elgar'nan, but yes, there's much more than meets the eye with the elven pantheon. Like, for instance, the fact that they weren't truly "Gods" at all, but just revered as such by their people. Can't wait to find out more.
The DR is usless as well as the Ultimate sacrifice, they give you the illusion of a choice but in fact the developers cannot create 2 different dragon age universe for an optional choice. They chose to use the so called statement "a soul is not forced upon the unwilling" so the soul of the archedemon do not belong to anyone , and Morrigan's son is only a vessel for the soul while Flemeth and Mythal are the same being because Mythal choose Flemeth as a sort of reincarnation.
Kieran is a normal boy while the soul of the old god as you can see now is in the fade but for the Dragon age lore when the soul of a being reach the fade the being go to the next world and forever disappear, so no chance to find the soul again.
For the developer is more easy to use the ultimate sacrifice as a plot because they can simply use the masoleum at wehissaupt to remember the warden.
Solas i dont know... he is the dread wolf , but during the game he act like a good character, but the dread wolf is a liar and during a quest we can see that a demon accused him for somthing in the elven tongue that someone here in the forum translated.
There is a choice though. An US warden doesnt have the fade sequence because kieran doesnt exist or he's a normal kid.
I think you mean Elgar'nan, but yes, there's much more than meets the eye with the elven pantheon. Like, for instance, the fact that they weren't truly "Gods" at all, but just revered as such by their people. Can't wait to find out more.
i would like to see this Elgar' nan i imagine him as a dark elven with long white hair
You restored a tainted god to an untainted god soul. People assume she is going to use it for power or evil but I just don't really see it that way. I feel like she's not really done anything that is evil and is working slowly toward doing what she can to help the world in her own way. When you go for the grimoire, she offers to just give it to you if you leave her in peace. Now this is particularly telling because you can kill her but she won't die. She knows she won't. She made plans. Several from the sounds of it in DA2. So she pretty much knows she will survive though not 100% certain - more like 99%. But still she doesn't really want to fight you. I don't see her as evil. I see her as willing to exact justice on people who have done bad things that have harmed others. I think she also wants to preserve what she can by saving the old god from the taint or death. The assumption was actually that morrigan would use the child as a source of power but morrigan turned out to love him more than most could have imagined.
The old god is not a god is just a dragon with male gender, Flemeth have reason to save the old god , while Morrigan have none, as Flemeth said to Morrigan "you seek to preserve things but to what end?" I'm with Solas Morrigan cannot be trusted , during the well of sorrow quest i see her pride, more than a demon. When she decided to leave your party at DAO she make an ass move, again to me she cannot be trusted she want to use the soul of Urthemiel for her own son, while Urthemiel can gain his freedom only with Flemeth.
Morrigan is worse than his mother because unlike her who become like that because of her past at Highever, Morrigan emulate her mother like a stupid teenager, while her mother is more wise than her and know many things, she never possesed her daughters and you kill her for nothing in DAO.
You restored a tainted god to an untainted god soul. People assume she is going to use it for power or evil but I just don't really see it that way. I feel like she's not really done anything that is evil and is working slowly toward doing what she can to help the world in her own way. When you go for the grimoire, she offers to just give it to you if you leave her in peace. Now this is particularly telling because you can kill her but she won't die. She knows she won't. She made plans. Several from the sounds of it in DA2. So she pretty much knows she will survive though not 100% certain - more like 99%. But still she doesn't really want to fight you. I don't see her as evil. I see her as willing to exact justice on people who have done bad things that have harmed others. I think she also wants to preserve what she can by saving the old god from the taint or death. The assumption was actually that morrigan would use the child as a source of power but morrigan turned out to love him more than most could have imagined.
It surprised me. Morrigan at the well was 'same old power hungry Morrigan', but the whole "you will be bound to Mythal" definitely put off my Dalish mage (who was wiser than Morrigan in the ways of such things it would seem), so I let her drink it, not knowing what would happen really.
Then the following scene with Flemeth in the Fade made me cry. To see Morrigan, the same power hungry Morrigan from Origins, admit in one breath that yes, she had planned to use her son, initially, but then grew to love him and then beg on bent knee for Flemeth to take her instead of Kieran made me cry. There were hints earlier where she talked about how she wouldn't raise him isolated from the rest of the world in a swamp (or something along those lines) made me realize that Alistair's son wasn't going to have a bad life, even if now he's just a normal little boy.
And Flemeth looked so sad, like Morrigan had cut her to the quick.
Morrigan's heart was finally touched by her son and she learned compassion.
I also liked the grey warden symbol on his shirt--a homage to the HoF, who is a friend or may also be potentially the father, I am certain.
In all it's one of the most powerful scenes in the game and one of my favorites.
i would like to see this Elgar' nan i imagine him as a dark elven with long white hair
The old god is not a god is just a dragon with male gender, Flemeth have reason to save the old god , while Morrigan have none, as Flemeth said to Morrigan "you seek to preserve things but to what end?" I'm with Solas Morrigan cannot be trusted , during the well of sorrow quest i see her pride, more than a demon. When she decided to leave your party at DAO she make an ass move, again to me she cannot be trusted she want to use the soul of Urthemiel for her own son, while Urthemiel can gain his freedom only with Flemeth.
Morrigan is worse than his mother because unlike her who become like that because of her past at Highever, Morrigan emulate her mother like a stupid teenager, while her mother is more wise than her and know many things, she never possesed her daughters and you kill her for nothing in DAO.
WOW that post reeks of pure BS. Why the heck did she surrender her own freedom for her son? Because she love her son more than anything. She said that she doesn't want to become a mother like Flemeth who raise her to become what she is.
"you seek to preserve things but to what end?"
You didn't see that Flemeth said that she raise Morrigan to do this for a purpose that she want to avenge Mythal's death and free the Old God's soul the Fade for that reason.
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