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[Dragoonlordz]

I rejected the dark ritual in my playthrough because I didn't want a potential Eight Blight to occur. When I watched Lady Insanity's stream and seeing her mortified after Solas absorbed Flemeth, all I could do was laugh. "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen? Why did you think the DARK Ritual was such a good idea?"

 

Please excuse me while I brew some tea made from DR-Run tears.

 

The dark ritual was still a good idea, it saved the lives of yourself or your warden companions whom did not have to sacrifice themselves. The fact that the old god's soul is now removed from the child does not change this even if was only done by Bioware to remove the problem they caused by giving that choice originally in reference to how damaging it is to designing the world state in new games with it still lingering over their heads.

 

Morrigan and my warden were romanced and they had the child as part of the dark ritual in order to save the wardens lives. He then followed her into the Eluvian to be with her and raise their child, now that the gods soul is removed it all worked out perfectly for them since he and his love Morrigan plus their now normal child live on while at the same time it saved the lives of himself or his friends when struck down the archdemon.

 

So drink your tea but it is not made from my tears, if was made from anyone's tears it would be your own as I lost nothing from doing the ritual while you lost potentially more by not doing it whether that is the loss of having a family with child or loss of your life or loss of that of one of your companions or fellow wardens. The only thing that could make it even better for my warden is his success in finding a cure for the calling which there has been evidence it is possible shown with Fiona.

[Aren]

The dark ritual was still a good idea, it saved the lives of yourself or your warden companions whom did not have to sacrifice themselves. The fact that the old god's soul is now removed from the child does not change this even if was only done by Bioware to remove the problem they caused by giving that choice originally in reference to how damaging it is to designing the world state in new games with it still lingering over their heads.

 

Morrigan and my warden were romanced and they had the child as part of the dark ritual in order to save the wardens lives. He then followed her into the Eluvian to be with her and raise their child, now that the gods soul is removed it all worked out perfectly for them since he and his love Morrigan plus their now normal child live on while at the same time it saved the lives of himself or his friends when struck down the archdemon.

 

So drink your tea but it is not made from my tears, if was made from anyone's tears it would be your own as I lost nothing from doing the ritual while you lost potentially more by not doing it whether that is the loss of having a family with child or loss of your life or loss of that of one of your companions or fellow wardens. The only thing that could make it even better for my warden is his success in finding a cure for the calling which there has been evidence it is possible shown with Fiona.

Still the US is the moral superior choice, Morrigan is  a pride woman and deserve nothing, we lost nothing because i personally enjoyed 10000 times the redeemer or the personal US ending rather then a usless cameo on the fade, i dont care about having the same hero over and over, the warden is dead because he is outside of the Dragon age History and the cure is just an excuse to eliminate the warden forever from the lore.

everyone in here belived in the tales of the Old god baby,   but as you can see this tale is over.

i enjoy to play hawke in DA2 and the Inquisitor while my warden is dead because of the sacrifice, because i will always think of her/him as one of the greatest hero like  Gharael, while i gain nothing from hear from Morrigan or Alistair or Leliana 

some superficial statement about the warden.

Times to move on the Dragon soul is gone, the Dread wolf wins.

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Still the US is the moral superior choice, Morrigan is  a pride woman and deserve nothing, we lost nothing because i personally enjoyed 10000 times the redeemer or the personal US ending rather then a usless cameo on the fade, i dont care about having the same hero over and over, the warden is dead because he is outside of the Dragon age History and the cure is just an excuse to eliminate the warden forever from the lore.

everyone in here belived in the tales of the Old god baby,   but as you can see this tale is over.

i enjoy to play hawke in DA2 and the Inquisitor while my warden is dead because of the sacrifice, because i will always think of her/him as one of the greatest hero like  Gharael, while i gain nothing from hear from Morrigan or Alistair or Leliana 

some superficial statement about the warden.

Times to move on the Dragon soul is gone, the Dread wolf wins.

Your statement is very black and white and an obvious excuse to hate Morrigan. DR is the best were everyone lives no one dies. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Still the US is the moral superior choice, Morrigan is  a pride woman and deserve nothing, we lost nothing because i personally enjoyed 10000 times the redeemer or the personal US ending rather then a usless cameo on the fade, i dont care about having the same hero over and over, the warden is dead because he is outside of the Dragon age History and the cure is just an excuse to eliminate the warden forever from the lore.

everyone in here belived in the tales of the Old god baby,   but as you can see this tale is over.

i enjoy to play hawke in DA2 and the Inquisitor while my warden is dead because of the sacrifice, because i will always think of her/him as one of the greatest hero like  Gharael, while i gain nothing from hear from Morrigan or Alistair or Leliana 

some superficial statement about the warden.

Times to move on the Dragon soul is gone, the Dread wolf wins.

 

You never liked your warden that much if your that glad he/she is dead instead of alive and well especially given the fact could of been alive and well without any threat of a old god babies existence anymore due to what happens in hindsight with it in DAI, the fact your warden never had to sleep with Morrigan in order to survive since Alistair or the other warden(s) was also an option to create that loophole...plus you saying you do not care about the many companions who helped save the world alongside your warden...your not on the moral high ground, your just simply making excuses for your hatred of Morrigan.

 

What happens in DAI which we have so far seen is a vindication of the OGB loophole in DAO and not a condemnation of it. It is an outcome that turns out to be for everyone's best interest based on all the information we have currently seen including that now of DAI, unless you are claiming the now normal child is somehow evil and will destroy the world despite no longer having the soul of the old god inside, no longer having access to it's power, in fact no evidence of it being the case that he is now anything but a normal child again...only in that extreme style case would you have any ground to stand on regarding your continued contempt for the ritual and it's result.

[WitchofDread]

how on earth do you get this quest to trigger?

[Dragoonlordz]

You have to have Morrigan in DAO perform the dark ritual in which sleeps with a warden whether Alistair/your own or one of the others prior to killing the archdemon, When the archdemon dies it's soul transfers to the then pregnant Morrigan instead of taking the life of the warden who struck the killing blow. Morrigan will have an child with the old gods soul trapped inside and that is what Flemmeth comes after in this game if made those choices in DAO (also possible in the keep choices), that is what need to do in order to have the fade family reunion scene I think and the scene happens not long after coming back from the temple assault I believe but I could be wrong about that.

[theluc76]

Flemeth is same as the Gray Witch Karla in Record of Lodoss War OAV series, she not good or evil, she just have her own agenda.

[Aren]

Your statement is very black and white and an obvious excuse to hate Morrigan. DR is the best were everyone lives no one dies. 

again?  where is your warden then, tell me? Is he in inquisition? No he had vanished, the warden is dead with or without the Dark ritual, beside for me and many others the dark ritual is a disgusting magic to perform wich involve blood magic ,taint, force a soul against the will and using child as tool, i'm glad that Flemeth was able to free the soul of the dragon in the end, Urthemiel belongs to no one.

to me Flemeth is a neutral character, her daughter however is not, she want to sacrifice everything to preserve her goals.

My argument are clear and logic while yours belongs to someone who are bounded to a character.

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again?  where is your warden then, tell me? Is he in inquisition? No he had vanished, the warden is dead with or without the Dark ritual, beside for me and many others the dark ritual is a disgusting magic to perform wich involve blood magic ,taint, force a soul against the will and using child as tool, i'm glad that Flemeth was able to free the soul of the dragon in the end, Urthemiel belongs to no one.

to me Flemeth is a neutral character, her daughter however is not, she want to sacrifice everything to preserve her goals.

My argument are clear and logic while yours belongs to someone who are bounded to a character.

While your warden is nothing but a worm-filled corpse and MY warden is on a quest to end the Calling.

Your ARGUMENT is full of assumptions. Tell me what kind of evil Morrigan did in this game. NONE. She is ready to give her own life to save her son. If she is evil then why she didn't gave her to Flemeth instead?

Her mother raise her for this ritual so don't tell me she doesn't have any agenda like Morrigan has and  she abandon her  agenda for her son's safety and she want to gave her son a life she never had. You ignore all of the character development Morrigan has in this game for a reason to make an excuse to hate her.

[Aren]

Your ARGUMENT is full of assumptions. Tell me what kind of evil Morrigan did in this game. NONE. She is ready to give her life to save her son. Her mother raise her for this ritual so don't tell me she doesn't have any agenda like Morrigan has and she is the one who task her daughter for this ritual.

i can use examples while you cannot, DAI  well of sorrows quest Morrigan  would stab abelas for something who doesn't belong to her.

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i can use examples while you cannot, DAI  well of sorrows quest Morrigan  abandon the inquisitor (even if she is part of the inquisition) if you choose to spare the life of Abelas, she is ready to kill the elves sentinel, is pointless to use the DAO example because there she is even more worse. she care about her son really? well i dont care, Cassandra. Cullen; the Inquisitor, hawke,Varric;dorian and many others fight for everyone not for their purpose, and a single example like the trigger scene with flemeth Morrigan, cannot eliminate the past. so where is your NONE NOW?

She will kill the sentinel, yes but for the reason that the well is useful to defeat Corypheus and destroying it will lose your chance to defeat him despite the fact that she ignore his warnings about it. After she drank, tell me she does try to kill you or she does any evil. NONE. You just ignore her character development to make excuse to hate her.

[DarkSpiral]

CHANGE THE TITLE, THAT THEY EVEN MEET OR SHOW UP AT ALL IS A SPOILER!!  GET A CLUE, KEEP IT IN THE POST, NOT THE TITLE!!

 

HOW HARD IS THAT?    

 

Self-appointed forums police.  Also, nerd-rage.  You should seek help.

[LPPrince]

Morrigan did nothing to Abelas in my playthrough.

 

We went through the puzzles and Morrigan stood in Abelas' way to prevent him from destroying the well. Abelas said we showed respect by doing the puzzles, we talked about needing the well, he said you have to earn the right to use it, we did, and then he said he and his people had no need to protect the place anymore so they left us to use the well.

 

Then my Inquisitor drank from the well, and the rest is history.

 

Anyway, Morrigan isn't evil. We know this. Her methods and motives are usually a mystery, but evil she is not.

[DarkSpiral]

i can use examples while you cannot, DAI  well of sorrows quest Morrigan  abandon the inquisitor (even if she is part of the inquisition) if you choose to spare the life of Abelas

 

She isn't part of the Inquisition. She explicitly states that.  She's the court-appointed Orlesian liaison, and nothing more.

And she does not abandon the Inquisition if you choose not to kill Abelas.  Unless you mean when she flies off to try and prevent the Well's destruction, which is hardly an act of evil.  Either stop making things up, or be more specific when using example, because I'm truly not sure which one it is you're doing.

[DarkSpiral]

She will kill the sentinel, yes but for the reason that the well is useful to defeat Corypheus and destroying it will lose your chance to defeat him despite the fact that she ignore his warnings about it. After she drank, tell me she does try to kill you or she does any evil. NONE. You just ignore her character development to make excuse to hate her.

Well, he can.  And is.  It makes him (her?) lose credibility, but I don't think that matters.

[DarkSpiral]

My argument are clear and logic while yours belongs to someone who are bounded to a character.

 

My definition of clear and logical vary wildly from your own.

 

Hey, don't get me wrong.  Morrigan isn't a good person.  She's selfish, shallow, and not above allowing others to suffer if it gets her what she wants.  But your examples are frequently confusing, inaccurate, and laced with bias toward the character.  Those are not the same and clear and logical.

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Well, he can.  And is.  It makes him (her?) lose credibility, but I don't think that matters.

She doesn't abandon the Inquisition after she drank the well immediately. She helped on defeating Corypheus.

[DarkSpiral]

She doesn't abandon the Inquisition after she drank the well immediately. She helped on defeating Corypheus.

 

I..uh...yes, I know?  Sorry, did I say that she didn't?  I don't think I did. O.o

[WhatGoesHere]

i can use examples while you cannot, DAI  well of sorrows quest Morrigan  abandon the inquisitor (even if she is part of the inquisition) if you choose to spare the life of Abelas, she is ready to kill the elves sentinel, is pointless to use the DAO example because there she is even more worse. she care about her son really? well i dont care, Cassandra. Cullen; the Inquisitor, hawke,Varric;dorian and many others fight for everyone not for their purpose, and a single example like the trigger scene with flemeth Morrigan, cannot eliminate the past. so where is your NONE NOW?

morrigan has grown as a character since dao. she's brought up in near seclusion in the wilds as an apostate. she watches her mother use the templars, and perform whatever other witch of the wilds things flemeth does. and yet you expect her to be a paragon in dao? she's not like hawke, varric, or dorian. she's taught to not trust others, and is basically indoctrinated to fulfill her duty to flemeth. as another poster stated, i believe you misinterpreted the scene where flemeth asks her 'to what end'. from the beginning she has been manipulated by flemeth

 

her capacity to care for kieran, and to raise him as a polite and normal boy despite her own childhood is more than admirable. so what if she abandons you, because your goals diverge? she shares the relevant information she knows before you make a decision, and ultimately leaves that decision in your hands. compare that to leliana who would have your head for tainting the urn of sacred ashes. if you have disagreements with any non-essential plot party members, they can leave

 

morrigan isn't supposed to be a paragon-style character, so of course when you judge her against the many paragon companions you have, she seems out of place. she pursues her own goals, but she knows right from wrong. she's a powerful mage with an agenda, but so what? every character has a reason that they're on the 'i'm here to save the world' train, and morrigan's reasons may be less altruistic, but that doesn't make her evil, or stupid, or whatever it is that you hold her to. maybe she doesn't want to save the kitten from a tree, but personally, if i were on a time-constrained quest to stop the world from falling over a cliff, i wouldn't want to waste time running errands either (though because it is a game, i'm happily inclined to save kittens out of trees as the plot doesn't progress until i want it to). if anything i actually prefer her motives over somebody who is sticking around due to guilt or a quest for vengeance

 

your bias prevents you from enjoying a terrifically written character

[DarkSpiral]

morrigan isn't supposed to be a paragon-style character, so of course when you judge her against the many paragon companions you have, she seems out of place. she pursues her own goals, but she knows right from wrong. she's a powerful mage with an agenda, but so what? every character has a reason that they're on the 'i'm here to save the world' train, and morrigan's reasons may be less altruistic, but that doesn't make her evil, or stupid, or whatever it is that you hold her to. i actually prefer her motives over somebody who is sticking around due to guilt or a quest for vengeance

 

I do not disagree with you, and in fact her willingness to put her son's welfare above her own goes a very long way with me.

But let us not forget that this is a woman that was not merely okay with annulling the Circle of Ferelden, but was eager to do it.  She was pleased at the idea of sacrificing the soon-to-be slaves in the Alienage to blood magic for your own benefit.  Most importantly, that her son is never born in one out of three scenarios, so that's piece of character development may never occur at all.

 

There are actually reasons, good ones, that people think of Morrigan as "evil."

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I do not disagree with you, and in fact her willingness to put her son's welfare above her own goes a very long way with me.

But let us not forget that this is a woman that was not merely okay with annulling the Circle of Ferelden, but was eager to do it.  She was pleased at the idea of sacrificing the soon-to-be slaves in the Alienage to blood magic for your own benefit.  Most importantly, that her son is never born in one out of three scenarios, so that's piece of character development may never occur at all.

 

There are actually reasons, good ones, that people think of Morrigan as "evil."

She will always gave her son a life she never had even if he is a normal kid not an OGC. Your assessment is from DAO not in DAI.

[Aren]

While your warden is nothing but a worm-filled corpse and MY warden is on a quest to end the Calling.

Your ARGUMENT is full of assumptions. Tell me what kind of evil Morrigan did in this game. NONE. She is ready to give her own life to save her son. If she is evil then why she didn't gave her to Flemeth instead?

Her mother raise her for this ritual so don't tell me she doesn't have any agenda like Morrigan has and  she abandon her  agenda for her son's safety and she want to gave her son a life she never had. You ignore all of the character development Morrigan has in this game for a reason to make an excuse to hate her.

aahh where is your warden, on the calling, really? then call him you cannot because he does not exist anymore xD

mine  is still alive with Anora  (redeemer ending) but i dont care if he is dead or not because he does not exist either.

 

My definition of clear and logical vary wildly from your own.

 

Hey, don't get me wrong.  Morrigan isn't a good person.  She's selfish, shallow, and not above allowing others to suffer if it gets her what she wants.  But your examples are frequently confusing, inaccurate, and laced with bias toward the character.  Those are not the same and clear and logical.

the example are during the scene in wich she become a crow. In here someone want to see Morrigan for what she is not by using kieran as example.

My examples are asumption only when i talk about the lore such as use Elgar nan or the dread wolf or the old gods, that are mistery for now, but when i talk about Anders, Morrigan, Isabela and other characters i use their actions to make my opinion.

[DarkSpiral]

She will always gave her son a life she never had even if he is a normal kid not an OGC. Your assessment is from DAO not in DAI.

They aren't mutually exclusive.  Her actions in previous games are still there in DAI.

 

And the point I was making making is that Kieran is not canon.  He can never have been born at all, in which scenario there is no mitigating circumstances, like refusing to allow Flemeth to run off with Kieran.

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aahh where is warden, on the calling, really? then call him you cannot because he does not exist anymore xD

mine  is still alive with Anora  (redeemer ending) but i dont care if he is dead or not because he does not exist either.

He exist and he gave a letter about his quest. Your warden cease to exist.

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They aren't mutually exclusive.  Her actions in previous games are still there in DAI.

 

And the point I was making making is that Kieran is not canon.  He can never have been born at all, in which scenario there is no mitigating circumstances, like refusing to allow Flemeth to run off with Kieran.

She have her goals but do you think she wants to world domination? I think not.