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[WhatGoesHere]

I do not disagree with you, and in fact her willingness to put her son's welfare above her own goes a very long way with me.

But let us not forget that this is a woman that was not merely okay with annulling the Circle of Ferelden, but was eager to do it.  She was pleased at the idea of sacrificing the soon-to-be slaves in the Alienage to blood magic for your own benefit.  Most importantly, that her son is never born in one out of three scenarios, so that's piece of character development may never occur at all.

 

There are actually reasons, good ones, that people think of Morrigan as "evil."

oh i haven't played dao in a while so i forgot about that. doesn't wynne attack you though, when she finds out that morrigan is an apostate while morrigan just disapproves when you don't go along with what she thinks? i think the whole circle/apostate mage is difficult to imagine as the pc. i don't remember exactly what happens at the alienage. i'll have to replay dao at some point~ she's definitely isn't afraid of spilling some blood for power, though i wonder what that says about all tevinter mages who use their slaves to amplify their powers

 

i prefer playing with the ultimate sacrifice ending (also without romancing anyone), so in most of my playthrus (4 of 5) in dai morrigan hasn't had a child. my very first playthru, where i didn't know where the story was going, i was actually surprised at how much softer morrigan's character seemed even without kieran. i've only played once with kieran in game just to see if any of the scenes had relevant lore. goes into the realm of personal opinion though, i felt like her character definitely changed even without kieran. (i write too much, and i don't want to tl;dr you ;____; )

[Aren]

 

morrigan has grown as a character since dao. she's brought up in near seclusion in the wilds as an apostate. she watches her mother use the templars, and perform whatever other witch of the wilds things flemeth does. and yet you expect her to be a paragon in dao? she's not like hawke, varric, or dorian. she's taught to not trust others, and is basically indoctrinated to fulfill her duty to flemeth. as another poster stated, i believe you misinterpreted the scene where flemeth asks her 'to what end'. from the beginning she has been manipulated by flemeth

 

her capacity to care for kieran, and to raise him as a polite and normal boy despite her own childhood is more than admirable. so what if she abandons you, because your goals diverge? she shares the relevant information she knows before you make a decision, and ultimately leaves that decision in your hands. compare that to leliana who would have your head for tainting the urn of sacred ashes. if you have disagreements with any non-essential plot party members, they can leave

 

morrigan isn't supposed to be a paragon-style character, so of course when you judge her against the many paragon companions you have, she seems out of place. she pursues her own goals, but she knows right from wrong. she's a powerful mage with an agenda, but so what? every character has a reason that they're on the 'i'm here to save the world' train, and morrigan's reasons may be less altruistic, but that doesn't make her evil, or stupid, or whatever it is that you hold her to. maybe she doesn't want to save the kitten from a tree, but personally, if i were on a time-constrained quest to stop the world from falling over a cliff, i wouldn't want to waste time running errands either (though because it is a game, i'm happily inclined to save kittens out of trees as the plot doesn't progress until i want it to). if anything i actually prefer her motives over somebody who is sticking around due to guilt or a quest for vengeance

 

your bias prevents you from enjoying a terrifically written character

 

i care not as i said, Zevran and Fenris have endured worse more worse than Morrigan during their childhood and yet proved great heroes.

one slaves for al

[DarkSpiral]

She have her goals but do you think she wants to world domination? I think not. 

 

???

You're the first to mention world domination, not I.

[Aren]

He exist and he gave a letter about his quest. Your warden cease to exist.

 ahahahahaha he does not exist, you are living on an illusion, where is he when the beloved Morrigan faced Corypheus and Flemeth? as ai said Kieran is an option and you cannot use him because in many world-state he does not exist either, if you want to use an example choose one who is a canon.

[blahblahblah]

i care not as i said, Zevran and Fenris have endured worse more worse than Morrigan during their childhood and yet proved great heroes.

one slaves for al

Yes you do not care because your bias cloud your thoughts about Morrigan. Fenris and Zevran are no heroes, the former is an assassin who doesn't have remorse on killing people but doesn't mean he's evil and the latter is a hypocrite who blame mages for every terrible thing happened to him and he doesn't even blame himself unless he is a rival.

[DarkSpiral]

oh i haven't played dao in a while so i forgot about that. doesn't wynne attack you though, when she finds out that morrigan is an apostate while morrigan just disapproves when you don't go along with what she thinks? i think the whole circle/apostate mage is difficult to imagine as the pc. i don't remember exactly what happens at the alienage. i'll have to replay dao at some point~ she's definitely isn't afraid of spilling some blood for power, though i wonder what that says about all tevinter mages who use their slaves to amplify their powers

 

i prefer playing with the ultimate sacrifice ending (also without romancing anyone), so in most of my playthrus (4 of 5) in dai morrigan hasn't had a child. my very first playthru, where i didn't know where the story was going, i was actually surprised at how much softer morrigan's character seemed even without kieran. i've only played once with kieran in game just to see if any of the scenes had relevant lore. goes into the realm of personal opinion though, i felt like her character definitely changed even without kieran. (i write too much, and i don't want to tl;dr you ;____; )

Wynne attacks you if you choose to defile the urn, I think.  Leliana may need to be there, I'm not sure.

There was a cut scenario in the Circle, if you admit to being a bloodmage, the entireity of the remaining mages and all the Templars turn on you, but you'd need a modded PC game to see that.  The Urn is the only place I can recall Wynne turning on you.

[Jherock]

ehm ehi we are in the spoiler section.............  HOW HARD IS TO UNDERSTAND THIS?

Try some reading comprehension before you try to outdo me, troll.  THE TITLE SPOILERS CAN BE SEEN BY ACCIDENT, JUST PERUSING NEW CONTENT, SO KEEP IT IN THE POST, AND YOU CAN HUSH UP.  Trolls like you ARE the main problem online.

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 ahahahahaha he does not exist, you are living on an illusion, where is he when the beloved Morrigan faced Corypheus and Flemeth? as ai said Kieran is an option and you cannot use him because in many world-state he does not exist either, if you want to use an example choose one who is a canon.

LOL. My canon is not your canon and the devs never say they will the Warden off-screen. Enjoy your dead warden while I enjoy my living warden. Troll harder next time.

[DarkSpiral]

 ahahahahaha he does not exist, you are living on an illusion, where is he when the beloved Morrigan faced Corypheus and Flemeth?

 

Let me see if I have this correct.  You're defending your position by claiming that the Hero of Ferelden is dead even in world states where he or she survived the events of the Fifth Blight?  Like when I allowed Loghain to kill the Archdemon?  The letter from the HoF is then a forgery, and elaborate conspiracy to fool the Inquisitor?  Is that what you're getting at?

[Aren]

oh i haven't played dao in a while so i forgot about that. doesn't wynne attack you though, when she finds out that morrigan is an apostate while morrigan just disapproves when you don't go along with what she thinks? i think the whole circle/apostate mage is difficult to imagine as the pc. i don't remember exactly what happens at the alienage. i'll have to replay dao at some point~ she's definitely isn't afraid of spilling some blood for power, though i wonder what that says about all tevinter mages who use their slaves to amplify their powers

 

i prefer playing with the ultimate sacrifice ending (also without romancing anyone), so in most of my playthrus (4 of 5) in dai morrigan hasn't had a child. my very first playthru, where i didn't know where the story was going, i was actually surprised at how much softer morrigan's character seemed even without kieran. i've only played once with kieran in game just to see if any of the scenes had relevant lore. goes into the realm of personal opinion though, i felt like her character definitely changed even without kieran. (i write too much, and i don't want to tl;dr you ;____; )

still like me even you dslike the Dark ritual oh god hero.

[DarkSpiral]

Try some reading comprehension before you try to outdo me, troll.  THE TITLE SPOILERS CAN BE SEEN BY ACCIDENT, JUST PERUSING NEW CONTENT, SO KEEP IT IN THE POST, AND YOU CAN HUSH UP.  Trolls like you ARE the main problem online.

 

MORE from the self-appointed forum police.  Awesomesauce.

You don't even grasp that you're trolling too, do you.  Just ****** off, already.

[blahblahblah]

???

You're the first to mention world domination, not I.

You said she had an agenda and I assume what it is.

[WhatGoesHere]

Wynne attacks you if you choose to defile the urn, I think.  Leliana may need to be there, I'm not sure.

There was a cut scenario in the Circle, if you admit to being a bloodmage, the entireity of the remaining mages and all the Templars turn on you, but you'd need a modded PC game to see that.  The Urn is the only place I can recall Wynne turning on you.

 

i'm pretty sure wynne attacks, if morrigan is in party on wynne's recruitment or something. i think it's because morrigan basically says let the templars do whatever and agreeing will result in wynne attacking. refusing results in disapproval from morrigan. i'm 90% sure this happens, because i remember having to fight wynne before at the circle and i was confused as to why, since in-universe it seemed like handing things over to the templars was an ok choice. had to reload cause wynne op ;__;

[blahblahblah]

i'm pretty sure wynne attacks, if morrigan is in party on wynne's recruitment or something. i think it's because morrigan basically says let the templars do whatever and agreeing will result in wynne attacking. refusing results in disapproval from morrigan. i'm 90% sure this happens, because i remember having to fight wynne before at the circle and i was confused as to why, since in-universe it seemed like handing things over to the templars was an ok choice. had to reload cause wynne op ;__;

That's right even if without Morrigan.

[DarkSpiral]

You said she had an agenda and I assume what it is.

 

Oh.  No her agenda is actually stated quite clearly, by Morrigan herself.  She wishes to preserve what is left of the ancient wonders of the ancient world, whatever the cost to those around her.  Or herself, to be honest, but in the scenarios we've seen her in, she comes across as okay with allowing others to do the sacrificing first.

[DarkSpiral]

i'm pretty sure wynne attacks, if morrigan is in party on wynne's recruitment or something. i think it's because morrigan basically says let the templars do whatever and agreeing will result in wynne attacking. refusing results in disapproval from morrigan. i'm 90% sure this happens, because i remember having to fight wynne before at the circle and i was confused as to why, since in-universe it seemed like handing things over to the templars was an ok choice. had to reload cause wynne op ;__;

Ahhh, that.  Morrigan doesn't have to be in the party.  I told her I was there to Annul the Circle once with a part of Leliana, Alistair, and Oghren, and she still attacked.  She always attacks once you make it clear you are here to enforce the Rite of Annulment.  Which isn't really a surprise, since that means you're going to kill not just the abominations, but also her, the mages she's standing with, and the children she's trying to protect.

 

That last part right there is usually where my Wardens balk.  Killing children is just low.

[Aren]

Let me see if I have this correct.  You're defending your position by claiming that the Hero of Ferelden is dead even in world states where he or she survived the events of the Fifth Blight?  Like when I allowed Loghain to kill the Archdemon?  The letter from the HoF is then a forgery, and elaborate conspiracy to fool the Inquisitor?  Is that what you're getting at?

as i said the Dark ritual is usless because in fact the player cannot see the warden anymore, unlike Hawke, Loghain or Alistair he is no more than a ghost, i mean dead or alive there is no difference he/she is usless. And the developers forced the DAO ending because of the Ultimate sacrifice possibility, if a character is not present ingame to me is like Dumat,or whatever believe the Theodosian have, a shadow.

[blahblahblah]

Oh.  No her agenda is actually stated quite clearly, by Morrigan herself.  She wishes to preserve what is left of the ancient wonders of the ancient world, whatever the cost to those around her.  Or herself, to be honest, but in the scenarios we've seen her in, she comes across as okay with allowing others to do the sacrificing first.

I don't think it's evil in every way. She drank the well despite the warning Abelas gave to her.

[blahblahblah]

as i said the Dark ritual is usless because in fact the player cannot see the warden anymore, unlike Hawke, Loghain or Alistair he is no more than a ghost, i mean dead or alive there is no difference he/she is usless. And the developers forced the DAO ending because of the Ultimate sacrifice possibility, if a character is not present ingame to me is like Dumat,or whatever believe the Theodosian have, a shadow.

Don't assume that the Warden is dead because there is an evidence and there is no need for a cameo. The DR is still relevant, it makes everyone alive and no deaths. You can't ignore this is a fact.

[DarkSpiral]

as i said the Dark ritual is usless because in fact the player cannot see the warden anymore, unlike Hawke, Loghain or Alistair he is no more than a ghost, i mean dead or alive there is no difference he/she is usless. And the developers forced the DAO ending because of the Ultimate sacrifice possibility, if a character is not present ingame to me is like Dumat,or whatever believe the Theodosian have, a shadow.

 

Riiiight.  I finally understand you.  You pissed that your Warden was not a presence in the game.  If you can't have him or her back exactly as you want them then they must not be alive at all.  Despite everyone in the game telling you otherwise.

 

Cool story bro.  This game isn't about the Warden anymore.  Neither was DA2  The next one won't be either.

[DarkSpiral]

I don't think it's evil in every way. She drank the well despite the warning Abelas gave to her.

 

Absolutely.  I said there were reasons people label her as evil, I didn't say I thought she was evil to the core.  She's far more complex a character than, say, Corypheus is ever allowed to become.

[WhatGoesHere]

Ahhh, that.  Morrigan doesn't have to be in the party.  I told her I was there to Annul the Circle once with a part of Leliana, Alistair, and Oghren, and she still attacked.  She always attacks once you make it clear you are here to enforce the Rite of Annulment.  Which isn't really a surprise, since that means you're going to kill not just the abominations, but also her, the mages she's standing with, and the children she's trying to protect.

 

That last part right there is usually where my Wardens balk.  Killing children is just low.

 

i kind of tried to take it in perspective. the rite of annulment exists for a reason, and the situation in the tower was obviously not good, especially with the fear of the blight going on. i think annulling the circle is the 'bad guy' choice when meta-gaming, but in-universe it's a shade of gray. yes, the mages will die, but what happens if the warden had failed? since we are the player, failing is impossible, but story-wise it makes sense to sometimes choose to annul the circle, and that wynne can't be talked down for what could be the greater good is puzzling

 

imagine this: if death at the circle meant a permanent game over (forever trapped in the fade, blight overruns fereldan, character deleted) in dao, i think the choice between annulling the circle or not would be much harder. it's easy to play as a paragon, and i admit i am guilty of this, since our actions don't really have consequences and we can reload, but without that a lot of 'low' choices would be more standard

[Aren]

Riiiight.  I finally understand you.  You pissed that your Warden was not a presence in the game.  If you can't have him or her back exactly as you want them then they must not be alive at all.  Despite everyone in the game telling you otherwise.

 

Cool story bro.  This game isn't about the Warden anymore.  Neither was DA2  The next one won't be either.

mm i dont care about my warden i dont want to use the same overaged character. As i said  the Dark ritual is usless because is an illusion, the double effect of the ritual

1)save the warden life is usless in inquisition because the WARDEN IS A GHOST and to make a sense for his absence in facing a darkspawn like corypheus the calling is just an excuse.

2) Kieran lost all his power

so in the end the developers as i have predicted  choose to respect completly only the Ultimate sacrifice my most favorite ending.

To make things clear i belive that The purpose of this topic is to analyze the fact that many have realized that the DR is usless, while the US is the only respected ending. SO the tales of the OGB ends forever and i'm glad of it.

[blahblahblah]

mm i dont care about my warden i dont want to use the same overaged character. As i said  the Dark ritual is usless because is an illusion, the double effect of the ritual

1)save the warden life is usless in inquisition because the WARDEN IS A GHOST and to make a sense for his absence in facing a darkspawn like corypheus the calling is just an excuse.

2) Kieran lost all his power

so in the end the developers as i have predicted  choose to respect completly only the Ultimate sacrifice my most favorite ending.

To make things clear i belive that The purpose of this topic is to analyze the fact that many have realized that the DR is usless, while the US is the only respected ending. SO the tales of the OGB ends forever and i'm glad of it.

WOW your still clinging to your opinion as facts. Calling the Warden a ghost when there is an evidence to the contrary. Troll harder and harder, the game is against your claim.

[Dragoonlordz]

as i said the Dark ritual is usless because in fact the player cannot see the warden anymore, unlike Hawke, Loghain or Alistair he is no more than a ghost, i mean dead or alive there is no difference he/she is usless. And the developers forced the DAO ending because of the Ultimate sacrifice possibility, if a character is not present ingame to me is like Dumat,or whatever believe the Theodosian have, a shadow.

 

You keep spouting nonsense in this thread and none of your nonsense changes the reality of the dark ritual ending of DAO being the best one for everyone whether it is the warden or your warden companions in hindsight, your excuse of simply not caring about your companions or what has happened to your warden because of your twisted logic if one of them is not present in the game at a specific time then they are dead to you and worthless further exposes your stance for what it really is and that is just pure hate for Morrigan and nothing to do with what is best for the wardens, your companions, the protagonist, the child or the world. You keep digging yourself into a hole, one which you already cannot get out of so it is in your best interest that you should probably stop.

 

My warden is alive and off trying to save peoples lives finding a way to end the calling. This is important to him and every warden. You also can not be sure that will not at some stage appear in DLC or following game in the same way Hawke was brought back and allowed to redesign his appearance and select a personality trait (the keep also contains enough information to have dialogue reflect decisions just like Hawke's did). Secondly Morrigan does not have to kill the ancient elven leader in the temple at the well, in mine he lived and went off to help his people and experience the new world after giving us his blessing to use the well. Morrigan also was willing to sacrifice her life to save her child's in the family reunion during the fade out of motherly love as well as sacrifice her life for your cause in the final battle when fought the dragon if she drank from the well. That is not the actions of someone evil.