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[cushions]

should i choose templar or mage? anyone know the difference? or is there any information which side is better?

 

you can choose this on the wartable and if you had, you cant go back ...

 

 

 

thanks!

[LegendaryBlade]

I look at it this way; in DA: I both the Mages and Templars are being assholes. The difference is Mages are willingly choosing assholishness by siding with the Tervinters where as, you find out, the Templars are being manipulated with red lyrium and a demon dampening their ability to think things through. Once you've free'd the Templars, they are amniable and willingly side with you as they are at their full senses. With the mages, even after siding with you, you will always have the knowledge that they willingly sided with the Tervinter empire and, in dialogue, one of them even defends blood magic.

 

Plus, when you get marched on later. If the templars are marching on you it's due to mind control; if the mages do it means they are willingly attacking the Herald in the name of Tervinter.

[Uriel]

No, the mages chose to trust Fiona who chose to ally with Tevinter, but if you talk to other mages, most thinks it's a very bad idea.

 

Then, no side is better, it influences who the new Divine is and who will ally with you, that's all.

[SwobyJ]

I like Mages better.

 

But I like the story content of the Templar side more... as an experience in itself.

 

:S

 

 

And yeah, those damn mages. The good thing to realize is that this is just the rebel mage faction. You don't NEED to pick them to make some giant stance of 'mages forever! all mages everywhere!'

 

Unlike DAO and DA2, they're not really depicted sympathetically. But that's what happens in a revolution - those fighting for freedom will be using their freedom to do some pretty terrible things. No more sheltered Circle mages that we can weep over. (in terms of story focus)

[SwobyJ]

No, the mages chose to trust Fiona who chose to ally with Tevinter, but if you talk to other mages, most thinks it's a very bad idea.

 

Then, no side is better, it influences who the new Divine is and who will ally with you, that's all.

 

Yeah they trust the one who allied with Tevinter, which is called... allying with Tevinter. They may have varied opinions on it, but they've deferred to Fiona's will.

 

The Templars fell from following Lambert and trusting personalities instead of ideals but enough of them salvage things that its implied that the newer Templars (if you can believe they can be new) will fight with much more renewed purpose since they've been rusting over decades and in a larger sense kinda needed to chip the rust off.

 

BTW I'm going to pick mages and support mages. Just my interpretation of the story is all.

[Uriel]

Yeah they trust the one who allied with Tevinter, which is called... allying with Tevinter. They may have varied opinions on it, but they've deferred to Fiona's will.

Which is called breach of trust from Fiona. 

[cushions]

so there is no item or so that i cant pick up later when i choose not the mages (for example)?

 

for the story i'm on both sides but i dont want to miss any interesting item when i choose the "wrong" faction. you know what i mean? :]

[LegendaryBlade]

I like Mages better.

 

But I like the story content of the Templar side more... as an experience in itself.

 

:S

 

 

And yeah, those damn mages. The good thing to realize is that this is just the rebel mage faction. You don't NEED to pick them to make some giant stance of 'mages forever! all mages everywhere!'

 

Unlike DAO and DA2, they're not really depicted sympathetically. But that's what happens in a revolution - those fighting for freedom will be using their freedom to do some pretty terrible things. No more sheltered Circle mages that we can weep over. (in terms of story focus)

Thats one thing I like about Inquisition more than the other two. They've been trying to tell us from the start that it was an issue with two sides, but you only really feel that way in DA: I. In both Origins and DA2 Templars were shown as assholes; though at least with DA2 the Templars kinda turned out to be right (as the circle was full of blood mages).

In Inquisition both sides are portrayed the same. They're dumb assholes, the lot of them, but at least the Templars are dumb assholes due to a demon instead of just really bad decision making. Varric says it best if you bring him to Redcliffe "I'm trying to think of a worst possible decision you could have made, and i'm coming up blank"

[SwobyJ]

Which is called breach of trust from Fiona. 

 

Tevinter put people throughout the mages and convinced enough of them, along with Fiona, to do it. It wasn't Fiona alone, though it was ultimately her decision to try to join. She had support.

 

There may have been divisive opinions but from all I've seen, not loud and substantial disagreement. At the time, they allowed Fiona to do what they considered should be done. They chose.

[BabyFratelli]

I split my save into two to play both sides, and the save I carried on with was the mage one despite enjoying the Templar sides content more. I just felt that if I'm going to save the world I should probably do it with the oppressed side so that they can gain some footing in becoming not-so-oppressed.

 

One isn't better than the other (As far as I know. I haven't finished the game.). Your companions will react positively or negatively depending on who you choose, from memory, the approval changes were (The dislike/like was to varying degrees, and I can't remember all the changes so if anyone knows better feel free to correct me):

 

Spoiler

Solas, Varric and Blackwall approve of siding with the mages. Sera, Bull, and Viv didn't. Maybe Cassandra too. Pretty much the opposite if you side with the templars.

 

There was also a dagger that dropped during the end of the templar quest that I didn't get from the mage quest, not sure if you can get it at another time. Though I did get a lovely staff instead.

[SwobyJ]

Thats one thing I like about Inquisition more than the other two. They've been trying to tell us from the start that it was an issue with two sides, but you only really feel that way in DA: I. In both Origins and DA2 Templars were shown as assholes; though at least with DA2 the Templars kinda turned out to be right (as the circle was full of blood mages).

In Inquisition both sides are portrayed the same. They're dumb assholes, the lot of them, but at least the Templars are dumb assholes due to a demon instead of just really bad decision making. Varric says it best if you bring him to Redcliffe "I'm trying to think of a worst possible decision you could have made, and i'm coming up blank"

 

Yeah.

 

DAO:

Templar - Place is running full of demons, let's clear it all out

Mages - No! Save some!

Clear Mage win. All the pieces are there to do it. Mages may go wrong but it doesn't justify the Rite in DAO. Philosophically it may, but we know that it can be saved.

 

DA2:

Templar - Anyone could be a blood mage! And our leader is being corrupted!

Mages - No we're not! Ugh, really, you'll keep thinking this for years? Alright, we WILL be.

Semi Mage win. They still go all evil, but its when pushed to the brink.

 

..DAI:

Templar - Blood mages are everywhere! And they're corrupting US!

Mages - We're pushed to the brink! We need help from Tevinter! Blood magic whenever we need to!

Semi Templar win, at least almost. Things are finally to the point of ridiculousness, and order must be established, and Templars can help in that as a smaller group for now compared to the growing Inquisition.

 

Again though, this is only in the specific framing of circumstances. One can still pick either side on principle. The narrative is now finally just going from the Chaos bias to the more Order bias.

[littlebrightpanda]

Do you have the "special visit" that you have when chosing the mages also when you chose the Templars? I mean

Spoiler

the current ruler showing up

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[LegendaryBlade]

Yeah.

 

DAO:

Templar - Place is running full of demons, let's clear it all out

Mages - No! Save some!

Clear Mage win. All the pieces are there to do it. Mages may go wrong but it doesn't justify the Rite in DAO. Philosophically it may, but we know that it can be saved.

 

DA2:

Templar - Anyone could be a blood mage! And our leader is being corrupted!

Mages - No we're not! Ugh, really, you'll keep thinking this for years? Alright, we WILL be.

Semi Mage win. They still go all evil, but its when pushed to the brink.

 

..DAI:

Templar - Blood mages are everywhere! And they're corrupting US!

Mages - We're pushed to the brink! We need help from Tevinter! Blood magic whenever we need to!

Semi Templar win, at least almost. Things are finally to the point of ridiculousness, and order must be established, and Templars can help in that as a smaller group for now compared to the growing Inquisition.

 

Again though, this is only in the specific framing of circumstances. One can still pick either side on principle. The narrative is now finally just going from the Chaos bias to the more Order bias.

 

Fun note though, if you did choose to side with Templars in DA2, Hawke gives very good reasoning for doing so when Loghain accuses him. "Because too many of them were using blood magic!" and he talks about how evil Blood Magic is, and what it can do. How ideals don't always justify actions. I didn't even like DA2 but I loved how much the Hawke in DA: I felt like my  Hawke. A mage who hated blood magic.

 

In DA: O i've never sided with the Templars, and i've replayed that game 100 times. I just can't convince myself to do it. There is some info in DA: I to make you retroactively consider it, like how Cullen mentions the Ferelden Circle Mages tortured him for hours, but that's not anything your Warden could know and it still doesn't justify Annulment.

[cushions]

on which side is Leliana?

[littlebrightpanda]

on which side is Leliana?

Leliana want the mages to be free.

[BabyFratelli]

on which side is Leliana?

 

Spoiler

Leliana would probably approve of siding with the mages, but you don't see the approval change since she's an advisor. Unless you mean which side she's in? She features heavily in the mage quest.

[cushions]

and is it true that you cant find the same items?

[Slappy Ya Face]

I've seen the aftermath of both, and greatly favored allying with the Templars. I'm a Mage going for a sort of lawful-good-ish playthrough.  

 

 

I really disliked either ending with the mages, despite leaning more towards them in the start. They just make you look absolutely horrible. They're not worth it, and the choice ultimately doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things; so don't worry too much about it.

[Slappy Ya Face]

and is it true that you cant find the same items?

Sure, the items are different, but it's not like loot matters when you can craft stronger gear than the proud dwarves of Moria. 

[cushions]

but which is better for rogue (archer)? i'm confused... i will only do the right decision for my class

[LegendaryBlade]

but which is better for rogue (archer)? i'm confused... i will only do the right decision for my class

If you're trying to min/max it doesn't matter. Once you get the endgame schematics you can craft better stuff than anything else in the game.

[Slappy Ya Face]

but which is better for rogue (archer)? i'm confused... i will only do the right decision for my class

Oh, you only care about gear for your class. Eh, it doesn't matter. Just craft weapons and armor with high quality materials if you really want the best stuff.  

[BabyFratelli]

but which is better for rogue (archer)? i'm confused... i will only do the right decision for my class

 

That's what I play as. Neither side is better or worse. You get a variety of loot with both, and in the long run you'll end up getting and crafting much better things. It just comes down to who you want to side with story wise. 

[SwobyJ]

Fun note though, if you did choose to side with Templars in DA2, Hawke gives very good reasoning for doing so when Loghain accuses him. "Because too many of them were using blood magic!" and he talks about how evil Blood Magic is, and what it can do. How ideals don't always justify actions. I didn't even like DA2 but I loved how much the Hawke in DA: I felt like my  Hawke. A mage who hated blood magic.

 

In DA: O i've never sided with the Templars, and i've replayed that game 100 times. I just can't convince myself to do it. There is some info in DA: I to make you retroactively consider it, like how Cullen mentions the Ferelden Circle Mages tortured him for hours, but that's not anything your Warden could know and it still doesn't justify Annulment.

 

Yep, the biggest justification of going Templar in DA2 is that there's just too much damn blood magic and that if the Templars just let go (they'd be better to loosen grip, but still), then it would almost certainly turn into a mini-Tevinter, if not worse due to Kirkwall strangeness.

 

If anything, ironically, Anders saves Kirkwall from that kind of outcome. He acts as the trigger for earlier conflict so that an even bigger one doesn't create the Rise of the Blood Mages 0_0

 

The bigger problem is Kirkwall itself. It is supposed to be a character (imo BW didn't express that well enough) and really be quite the doomed place, even down to its structure and the Veil being very thin. It cannot redeem itself, but Hawke can be RPed as someone to still valiantly tries to, and indirectly causes crucial parts of the Inquisition to form.

 

I'd love to visit Kirkwall/Free Marches again if only to 'redeem' the land, doing the impossible that Hawke (as Diplomatic at least) tried to do.

 

~~~

 

 

I believe it can be already assumed that the Ferelden Circle mage/abominations tortured Cullen for hours. He had his bubble but the whole area was corrupted.

[cushions]

That's what I play as. Neither side is better or worse. You get a variety of loot with both, and in the long run you'll end up getting and crafting much better things. It just comes down to who you want to side with story wise. 

 

ok :]

 

but mostly i see is about the mages, not much about the templars? i saw them only one time when i was in Val Royeaux...

 

 

btw: i have not play DA: O or DA2...