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[Dai Grepher]

Part of why open world games are difficult to do with story driven games. We have unlimited time to travel and waste time in the Forbidden Wastes, The Hinderlands, Storm Coast, and Fallow Mire but we have to pretend there wouldn't be time to contact remaining circles, Weissaupht, Tevinter, and Nevarra for mages and templars. IMO it would work better if they said the breech was absolutely stable after the first attempt and contacting the Chantry, the rebel mages, and the rebel templars was now the priority for an Inquisition to determine leads on who was responsible for blowing up the conclave and creating the sky hole.

 

Thanks for the tip on Dorian's intel that most rebel mages fled or were killed. IMO it would have provided more depth if they had a side quest that allowed a group of rebel mages that fled be saved by the Inquisition or if they allowed proper burial and identification of the mass burial of rebel mages that were killed.

 

Too bad, I actually liked the idea that the circles and the College of Enchanters post DAI would mostly be filled with ex-Venatori scum.

 

Although I'm also glad they didn't go with the standard of the past games that most mages when oppressed, stressed, or just bored will usually choose to become an abomination or evil blood mage. Nice to see them write a more balanced expected response where some flee and some are killed rather than just becoming evil so we have gamey pointless mooks to fight.  

 

Maybe they will have a companion in DA4 whose secret is they were an evil Venatori. 

 

The Forbidden Oasis shouldn't have been immediately accessible upon finding a shard, I agree. I think it only should have been available after establishing a camp in the Western Approach or Hissing Wastes.

 

One of the things I hate about IHW is that there is a terrible lack of choices. Everything is forced. You have to be the bait. You have to take Dorian. You have to have a full party. Leliana always kills Felix. The two companions always leave to take on the demons alone. You can't convince any of the mages to leave the rebellion behind. Etc. CotJ allows you to take different people who have different affects on the mission, or different comments to make. You can order the flags or not. You can respond to the Envy Demon or not. You can get the upper hand over it by learning its secrets or not. You can have Barris survive or not. Etc.

 

You're welcome. You need to have Dorian and Iron Bull in the party, and then Dorian will mention to him in banter. Or check YouTube, since that would be faster.

 

Calpernia will likely be a DA4 companion.

 

Also, I like your "Bore Table" comment. It's good. I've been calling it the "Chore Table" myself.

[Dai Grepher]

I originally went with the Templars since I am a Circle supporter and see the ideal behind the formation of the Order as the best of bad options. But on my second run through going to the mages, I find a magister leading the mages down an even more dangerous path and pressing them into slavery. This cannot stand. The order can always be rebuilt once the chaos has ended. That Tevinter bastard must DIE!

 

But can it? I doubt most people would logically join having learned what happened to the templars and how the Chantry drove them to that point. Also, there will always be more mages born into the world. As for Alexius, he dies even if you save the templars.

[TobiTobsen]

I wish Ser Barris could be promoted within the ranks even if the templars were conscripted.

 

He actually can be promoted. But that event is bugged beyond hell and back and was never fixed.

[Bardox9]

I played the templar side again and went a little ways through the story line, but I still prefer the mage side. Reloded the save I made prior to going through the templar mission.And working along side Dorian first is just more fun than Cole. Samson is a lesser enemy, but the mage arc as a whole is just better IMO.

 

Whichever side I choose on a play through though, I model the tower upgrade for the opposite group. Just so it is clear that there are mages AND templars as part of the Inquisition regardless of that story line choice. Anyone else do that?

[Dabrikishaw]

As far as the War Table goes, it's no question the Templars have better content. 3 Templar War Table Operations using Barris, ending in his promotion, versus 1 Mage War Table Operation that relates to something I can't recall right now but it' wasn't as impressive to me.

 

War Table Operations only though, as everything else is subjective.

[Heimdall]

As far as the War Table goes, it'a no question the Templars have better content. 3 Templar War Table Operations using Barris, ending in his promotion, versus 1 Mage War Table Operation that relates to something I can't recall right now but it' wasn't as impressive to me.

War Table Operations only though, as everything else is subjective.

More than 1 if you count the one you get if you recruit Alexius.

[Dai Grepher]

Whichever side I choose on a play through though, I model the tower upgrade for the opposite group. Just so it is clear that there are mages AND templars as part of the Inquisition regardless of that story line choice. Anyone else do that?

 

Yes. Sided with templars, built a "proper" mage tower. My Inquisitor is a mage.

[Knight of Dane]

More than 1 if you count the one you get if you recruit Alexius.

 

I think the same can be said for the templars, don't you get a WT mission if you recruit that nutter that initially attancks you? Knight Captain/Lieutenant Denham or something like that.

[Ashagar]

I think the same can be said for the templars, don't you get a WT mission if you recruit that nutter that initially attancks you? Knight Captain/Lieutenant Denham or something like that.

 

I don't think so but you can send mister goat throwing man and the annoying Orlaisian noble around as a diplomatic odd couple much to your own amusement... they are surprisingly effective.

[Boost32]

I think the same can be said for the templars, don't you get a WT mission if you recruit that nutter that initially attancks you? Knight Captain/Lieutenant Denham or something like that.

Yes, you can get a war table from him.
There is one for the conscription or for alliance.
One for Barris.
One if you save Albernach and send Movran to him

You can get 4 war table mission + their continuation.

[ioannisdenton]

Templars have a better storyline feel despite how good the mages storyline begins at redcliff, once you start the Champions of the just however the atmosphere is great! 
Plus calpernia and the epic demon fight with templars Holding the line before!!

[Helmetto]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: I really hate In Hushed Whispers. So much. But I never have any in-character justification for going Templar as Elfquisitor.

 

Mainly because Fiona asks nicely and says they need your help, while Lucian tells you "**** off, you suck! Like, really suck! Gonna go kick some nuns and go crash in my crib kthxbai." 

 

And then when you visit Fiona you're exposed to such a huge mess that you're just in wayyyyy too deep to back out, and doing so will make you outright negligible.

 

I made this decision before having much understanding about the war, by the way, or who Fiona really was other than cardboard, and for me, the way the situation was just kind of felt like I was being told "This is the right choice." for the mages and "here's this other choice if you're feeling contrarian" for the Templars. Since then my respect for mages has tanked, and Fiona just feels like some sort of intruder character that overstayed her welcome, and I've just been the saltiest ******* about a lot of things.

 

I saw an LP of the Champions of the Just quest, though, and it looked really neat and interesting, but I couldn't shake the "we're doing something wrong." feeling throughout. Might be because of the narrative at that point.

[DAJB]

Currently playing it again for the umpteenth time.

 

I've always sided with the Mages, simply because I prefer their time-slip mission more than the Templar one. I've played both but, on the few occasions I've played the Templar mission, I always go back and continue from the Mage quest. (Not trying to provoke anyone, just stating my preference!)

 

This time, I decided to continue with the Templars, for the first time. The only real differences I can see in the way the game unfolds are: (i) although it has little effect on the game, the reputation of the Inquisition seems to be enhanced by siding with the Templars because - bizarrely, given the events at Val Royaux - the people still trust them; (ii) Fiona doesn't join you in Skyhold (not that she does much there, but it was kind of interesting to hear her hint that she was Alistair's mother); (iii) you get Calpernia as an adversary instead of Samson (perhaps the biggest noticeable change), and she has a much more interesting backstory.

 

Just my two-penn'orth.  :-)

[Bardox9]

Choosing the mages over the Tempalrs makesmore sense from a RP prospective, but the templar arch just makes the story more interesting as a whole. So, templar side, leads to a better story over all, but doesn't really fit as a good choice with the story up to that point. Mage side, fits better from a RP prospective, but the game as a whole is a bit more... meh... as a result.

 

I mean, Samson?? Really? Of all the Templars to choose from? He's a Lyrium junky doing anything for his next "fix"... which kind of describes most Templars, but still. What about Karen? Show that his time with the blood mages screwed him up more than Hawke thought or or... SAMSON?? That's the best you could.... ugh... Fine...

 

Calpernia is just a better villain. 

[sjsharp2011]

You have the loyalists and surviving mages from the breach anyway. Besides the templars didnt ally with a tevinter magister, they were forced red lyrium against their will, you find this out when you send the chargers to therinfall, one of my other regrets 

Yeah you get the Loyal mages who are being led by Vivienne. it's the rebel group that is being led by Fiona

[DreamSever]

Templars you save are the good ones, the rare kinds of templar , i hoped under barris they could redeem the templar name, the war table missions proved it, with the mages i had to clean up their mess

[Bardox9]

Templars you save are the good ones, the rare kinds of templar , i hoped under barris they could redeem the templar name, the war table missions proved it, with the mages i had to clean up their mess

Very true, but at the time of deciding mage or templar, your Inquisitor would have no way of knowing that. What you know is that the Lord Seeker just clocked a revered mother in the middle of the public square, declared the inquisition an enemy, and marched off. The Leader of the Mages, or whoever/whatever that really was, on the other hand meets with you before you leave, at great risk to herself apparently, and begs you for help.

 

Why do the leaders of the major groups in DA seem to go straight to the worst options available? The Grand Enchanter turns to a Magister and sells her people into slavery. The Lord Seeker hands his people over to a demon and enslaving his forces via red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the world. And the Warden Commander does both in turning to a magister and kills her own people in an attempt to raise a demon army enslaving those still alive as a result.

 

One of them doing this, ok, but all of them? What the hell is wrong with these people???

[DreamSever]

Very true, but at the time of deciding mage or templar, your Inquisitor would have no way of knowing that. What you know is that the Lord Seeker just clocked a revered mother in the middle of the public square, declared the inquisition an enemy, and marched off. The Leader of the Mages, or whoever/whatever that really was, on the other hand meets with you before you leave, at great risk to herself apparently, and begs you for help.

 

Why do the leaders of the major groups in DA seem to go straight to the worst options available? The Grand Enchanter turns to a Magister and sells her people into slavery. The Lord Seeker hands his people over to a demon and enslaving his forces via red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the world. And the Warden Commander does both in turning to a magister and kills her own people in an attempt to raise a demon army enslaving those still alive as a result.

 

One of them doing this, ok, but all of them? What the hell is wrong with these people???

The game tries to decieve you at first but if you follow through the lord seeker was envy when you first met, the real seeker was hiding away like a coward. And if you meet the mages who decided to ally with tevinter your first instinct would be get the templars

[Tidus]

Since I play as a mage its seems like common sense to side with the mages. The Templars  is cruel to the mages, tranquils and  the young apprentices. The majority enjoy hunting down and killing mages like it was a sport.

[Big I]

Calpernia is a more interesting nemesis than Samson. Ser Barris is a much, much better ally than Fiona. That said I always side with the mages because I support them in the game. If you side with the templars you end up killing Fiona, who is

Spoiler

Alistair's mother.

Everyone else in the mage rebellion become Venatori conscripts, including Connor if alive and Stitch, Leliana's mage friend who she worked with in the Leliana's Song DLC. I doubt they'll have much of a future since the Venatori are an outlawed cult in every country, including Tevinter.

[Cute Nug]

Very true, but at the time of deciding mage or templar, your Inquisitor would have no way of knowing that. What you know is that the Lord Seeker just clocked a revered mother in the middle of the public square, declared the inquisition an enemy, and marched off. The Leader of the Mages, or whoever/whatever that really was, on the other hand meets with you before you leave, at great risk to herself apparently, and begs you for help.

 

Why do the leaders of the major groups in DA seem to go straight to the worst options available? The Grand Enchanter turns to a Magister and sells her people into slavery. The Lord Seeker hands his people over to a demon and enslaving his forces via red lyrium in an attempt to destroy the world. And the Warden Commander does both in turning to a magister and kills her own people in an attempt to raise a demon army enslaving those still alive as a result.

 

One of them doing this, ok, but all of them? What the hell is wrong with these people???

 

DA2 Kirkwall stupid is spreading throughout Thedas! The Orsino stupid disease is spreading to everyone in leadership roles!

 

Must be why the hero Souless is going to destroy Thedas because the leaders are too derp to save. 

[DreamSever]

Calpernia is a more interesting nemesis than Samson. Ser Barris is a much, much better ally than Fiona. That said I always side with the mages because I support them in the game. If you side with the templars you end up killing Fiona, who is

Spoiler

Alistair's mother.

Everyone else in the mage rebellion become Venatori conscripts, including Connor if alive and Stitch, Leliana's mage friend who she worked with in the Leliana's Song DLC. I doubt they'll have much of a future since the Venatori are an outlawed cult in every country, including Tevinter.

Screw fiona, shes useless to have around, happy to kill my quizzy at haven, she can die for all i care