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[Drakoriz]

what love more about Inquisition and been a Dalish elf, was finding out that all what i think was tradition was actually false and the mark on my face is just a remind that my ancestors where slaves to other elfs.

[Tidus]

My Dalish Elf in DA:O and DA:I are more the rebel type. They could careless about the history and all the whining over the fall of the Dales. They think instead of focusing on what  was they  Dalish would do better to focus on what is and find ways to improve it.

[Beerfish]

You are all such elfy elves you are.  I mean here we are battling Corfiggyuns an all the demons are coming from the sky and dragons and stuff are flying around killin stuff and you're all worried about some dumb elfy god or other.  Ya been talking too much to Sol Ass now if there ever was a more elfy elf than him I haven't met one.  It's all Ooooo we were powerful elves and we once were in charge and we are special.  Bull crap I say.  We got the 'Oh look at us! we are the Dalish snobs and you got the Oh look at us, we are poor alienage elves and neither of em really want to change things.  Just get things back to normal that's all I want.

[Qun00]

When some fans don't get exactly what they want, they tend to throw around passionate overstatements like "There is no" this and that.

Is the Andrastian theme enough to ruin the experience with non-human characters? Absolutely not. It is a mistake to think that the only acceptable answer is to have your Inquisitor say the word and shut down the entire plot. Instead, roleplay this fish out of water and react to the setting.

A Dalish elf is never forced to believe in the Maker. You can tell Cassandra "I have my own gods" and then say the same to Mother Giselle after Here Lies the Abyss. Your race is acknowledged in several other moments in the game.

As for Solas, I'm curious to know what your definition of reciprocating love is.

My Dalish Elf in DA:O and DA:I are more the rebel type. They could careless about the history and all the whining over the fall of the Dales. They think instead of focusing on what  was they  Dalish would do better to focus on what is and find ways to improve it.

If both of them think the same way, I can only imagine that you're the self-inserting type.

[Tidus]

Qun00, Naw, I just play Tidus, Camine and Chasha  differently then most players plays theirs. Even when they are CEs or a mage they are played different then the average player.

 

As a CE:

 

Ever reject the idea of a prearrange marriage to the CE father?  Tell your betrothed your not interested in getting married?

 

Ever have Duncan conscript your character?  

 

Tell Vaughan "I'll kill you"? And my favorite "Start talking-you got seconds to live".

 

Ever tell Flemeth that Alistair is the only real Gray Warden? How about telling her "So,I should go on a suicide mission? "

 

Ever tell Alistair No when he asks you to help him rule?

 

As a Dalish ever put up a fuss about becoming a GW? Or miss up the Tale of the Dales?

[Qun00]

Most of those, yes. All except being conscripted or telling Alistair he's the real GW.

[Tidus]

Qun00,One could say my characters are reluctant heroes and overall misfits.

 

Of course I enjoy the options we have in DA:O and DA:I since it gives several paths our characters can walk. I wish all of my other RPGs had that option since it makes the game more personalize.

 

To be sure I see a lot of my Final Fantasy character build and game style-a example would be my use of 3 rogues and a mage in DA:O just like my three fighters and a red mage in FF1 for my favored slice and dice game style.

 

Even in DA:I I favor a mage and three fighters Blackwell,Cassie and Bull.

[Fylimar]

When some fans don't get exactly what they want, they tend to throw around passionate overstatements like "There is no" this and that.

Is the Andrastian theme enough to ruin the experience with non-human characters? Absolutely not. It is a mistake to think that the only acceptable answer is to have your Inquisitor say the word and shut down the entire plot. Instead, roleplay this fish out of water and react to the setting.

A Dalish elf is never forced to believe in the Maker. You can tell Cassandra "I have my own gods" and then say the same to Mother Giselle after Here Lies the Abyss. Your race is acknowledged in several other moments in the game.


 

 

 

Well said. Just because everyone around you is Andrastian (and not all are in fact), you don't have to be. The game gives you a lot of reasons to be there as an elf, a dwarf or a Qunari.

 

Tisud: Being at the conclave as a guard is a good explanation too, but I like my storytelling bard, I guess, it's because I as a player love stories and songs too

[greenbrownblue]

First, I’ll start by saying that this will be a rant more than anything. Since Origins I’ve been a fan of Dragon Age’s idea of elves. I typically play an elf when given the opportunity, for myriad reasons ultimately irrelevant to this post. However, given my love for the race and, in particular, the race DA games have presented, I tend to become emotionally invested in the books (Fiona and Briala, for example) and the games (Hero of Fereldan, Fenris, Merril, etc). Oftentimes this is satisfying, as Bioware seems to enjoy their creation nearly as much as I. Then again, there is always a lot left unsaid / that remains utterly cryptic.

 

While Inquisition does ‘answer’ a lot of questions, it raises many more and demoralizes me overall. There are a number of things that harm me, if not outright damn my emotional investment. Examples start here, SPOILERS.

 

Primary, the game seems to be designed around the Andrastian human’s perspective. You’re barely acknowledged as an elf, much less Dalish. And even then, only in passing. This spans the entirety of the game, around 92 hours for me. This game seems to be written with DA2 and Hawke in mind; that is, male or female? Class? Decidedly and definately human. Now, I haven’t played a dwarf or the Tal-Vasoth kossith (something I couldn’t justify, even with their paragraph detailing why you’d be at the Conclave) so, I don’t know if it’s the same for all races.

 

Secondary, the whole experience was maddening and saddened me deeply, so much so I’m ashamed to admit it. For instance, I chose Cullen to stop a Freemarcher noble from culling his alienage. While Cullen was semi-successful in this operation, my entire clan (Clan Lavellan) was killed in vengeance. Now, I understand how this would happen, I understand that perhaps if I had chosen another advisor it wouldn’t have, both are beside the point. No one in the Inquisition even mentioned it. No apology that it occurred, no acknowledgement that it occurred. It was swept away simply because the operation completed, damn the consequences. What’s more, it’s impossible to role-play that sadness when the character herself didn’t acknowledge it. Sure, there are bigger issues, but having the community that raised her be erased would take some coping.

 

Tertiary, The introduced lore and the romance with Solas. The Solas romance was terribly written, facing facts. There is literally no reciprocation, which bothered me and still does even with the evidence as to why.  I’ll start by saying that it’s apparent why Arlathan fell, despite the self-infliced slavery and superiority (over other elves? subraces? Unlcear). Elves in DA games have and are the same as humans in DA, given the revelations.  They committed all the same errors Chanter’s, Vint’s and all other manner of Thedasian humans do now.   They were no different, given the revelations at Mythal’s Temple. Hell, Abelas simply refused to acknowledge we were similar, even though he too must have been a slave (or something), wearing vallaslin as he was. He went so far as to call my character shemlen, which further illustrated to me that elves are now and were then just as fractious and petty as any Orlesian. When the final 'romance' scene between Lavellan and Solas played, I wasn't heartbroken like some others. I kind of expected this. The single revelation (about vallaslin) was damning, and made the Inquisitor hiccup, wondering what else her people had gotten wrong (all of it, apparently).

 

Final. The ending cinematic with Flemeth and Solas (now Fen’Harel). While he seemed distraut by his abruptly leaving my Inquisitor and equally with losing the Orb, his purpose for wanting either was never illustrated or explained in a reasonable way. Then, Flemeth / Urthemiel / Mythal takes his body. Now, this is well and good. It’s not so bad to keep such powerful, possibly divine, legends all locked together; but to what end? A four hour DLC to be released in a year? Or simply the continuation of a franchise? It's about that money, after all. While I don't blame anyone for desiring money, I know plenty of satisfying authors who don't **** thier product in doing so.

 

I know the city elves are whelps, either succumbing to the chantry and being thankful, or chafing yet unable to escape their yolks. The Dalish, while noble, eternally grasp at straws of a past they can’t hope to recover or even comprehend, despite Solas / Fen’harel’s words to Abelas at his departure. What will the so-called ‘Ancient Elves’ deign to teach their lesser kin? Very little, I suspect.

 

This installment of dragon age left a horrific taste in my mouth.  I played through Origin’s countless times, DA2 got three. I plan on going back as a male human, leaning towards Cassandra or Dorian. I'm thinking the game will be a little more gratifying as a human.

I always play elves too )) ! Actually, every time I hear "elves" I associate them with DA World. Well done, David Gaider ^^ !

[Abyss108]

Qun00, Naw, I just play Tidus, Camine and Chasha  differently then most players plays theirs. Even when they are CEs or a mage they are played different then the average player.

 

As a CE:

 

Ever reject the idea of a prearrange marriage to the CE father?  Tell your betrothed your not interested in getting married?

 

Ever have Duncan conscript your character?  

 

Tell Vaughan "I'll kill you"? And my favorite "Start talking-you got seconds to live".

 

Ever tell Flemeth that Alistair is the only real Gray Warden? How about telling her "So,I should go on a suicide mission? "

 

Ever tell Alistair No when he asks you to help him rule?

 

As a Dalish ever put up a fuss about becoming a GW? Or miss up the Tale of the Dales?

 

 

I'd actually imagine a lot of these are the most common options picked... I did every single one of these.

[CardButton]

Hmm ... weird my Quizzy elf was my favorite of my Inquisitor's and she even romanced Solas, so I guess it just boils down to a different experience of play?

 

I went into my Dalish knowing that they're were two other elves in the inner circle and I wanted a character to reflect that (though admittedly I normally play this type of character).  An elf who respected her heritage, but was not bound by it and ultimately forward thinking and primarily concerned with the future ... not just for herself, but also of those close to her, the Inquisition and every organization that the Inquisition held sway.  I built my Inquisition in such a way so as to make sure it could be disbanded (I was really happy that the game allowed me to play this way and ultimately make that decision).  Long story short I wanted an Elf that represented the Future, in contrast to Solas who is shackled to the Past and Sera who prefers to live only in the Present (avoidance of complication) and for the most part I was allowed to play such. 

 

The only real issue I had with DA:I was the fiasco that was the Temple of Mythal dialogue that had a Dalish elf having to ask Morrigan about who their own gods were ... whew Bioware that was really bad.

 

As to the Abelas thing ... I might be the only one who thinks this, but I think that what Abelas tells the Dalish Inquisitor "the ones we see in the forest, shadows wearing Vallaslin? You are not my people!" he may have been very literal when he said this.  The variation in cultural differences aside (as there are prone to be an extreme amount of disparity), despite their physical resemblances I think their is something very different (physically or magically) between the Elves of Modern Thedas and the Ancient Elvhen like Abelas and his kind.  Actually, I also have a theory as to why he uses the word "Shadows" based off of what we've seen in "Trespasser" and the perception of the Crossroads differing for Elves that would certainly explain Abelas and Solas' behavior, but that is a different matter entirely. 

[Tidus]

Abyss108, I've watch many DA:O walk throughs and my guess Would be  98% are Yes'ms versus the wild cards like us that doesn't go with the natural flow..

 

When asked by King Alistair if there is anything I want I reply when playing as a Dalish Elf  "Land for my people". and he grants the Danish Ostagar and the surrounding area. Then later Leliana and Tidus  heads out to travel the world. Of course as we know this bless doesn't last because there's trouble brewing at Vigil's Keep.

[Abyss108]

Abyss108, I've watch many DA:O walk throughs and my guess Would be  98% are Yes'ms versus the wild cards like us that doesn't go with the natural flow..

 

When asked by King Alistair if there is anything I want I reply when playing as a Dalish Elf  "Land for my people". and he grants the Danish Ostagar and the surrounding area. Then later Leliana and Tidus  heads out to travel the world. Of course as we know this bless doesn't last because there's trouble brewing at Vigil's Keep.

 

Somebody making a walkthrough is hardly the average person playing the game.

 

I have a hard time imagining most people picking up a new fantasy RPG and picking all the dialogue options that go "Yay, marital bliss with someone I've never met, its just what I wanted!".

[Gervaise]

I played one of my elves as a total cynic about religion, Dalish or otherwise, but happily went along with the whole Herald of Andraste thing because it amused him how he was fooling everyone.   He was thinking "Sure, I'm the Herald if you say so, now let's see the Maker strike me down for being insincere".   Yet he never did.   There I was forgiving people in Andraste's name and telling them they should follow everything I say because Andraste said so.   He thought he might come unstuck when we discovered it wasn't Andraste but everyone seemed intent on lying about it, so that was okay.   The only person who ever expressed any surprise about his assertion of faith was Cassandra near the beginning but he soon romanced the pants off her (literally) so that was okay.    In a way he was representing my feelings about the whole faith aspect of DAI because I never could take it seriously.   

 

Another of my elves I played more typical Dalish who wouldn't dream of claiming to be something he did not believe in.   Yet no matter how often I told them I did not believe I was the Herald and that I had my own gods, they just refused to listen.   Then they told him to lie about what we learnt in the Fade, which destroyed any possibility of him becoming a follower of the Chantry.   Finally he discovers his own gods weren't really gods but tyrant mages (if you believe Solas without question), so he pretty much ended the game in the same place as my cynic began it, not believing in anything, although possibly agnostic about the Maker.

 

As for his vallaslin, that has meaning for him and Abelas seemed more a devoted follower than a slave, who bound himself to Mythal of his own choice, just as the drinker of the Well does, so he only has Cory's words to go on there (since Solas only bothers to tell a romanced elf the "truth" about their markings and again you only have his word for it on the matter).

 

Solas only ever tells you as much as he wants to and gives 3 different reasons why he shut away the Evanuris.   We only have his word for it they were responsible for Mythal's death (why were they still honoured in her Temple if responsible for her murder?) and Dalish myths says there were two sets of gods, the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, so did he lock away both sets or just one?     The Creators warn against him.   Seeing as he is quite willing to sacrifice an entire world and everything in it just to get what he wants, you wonder if perhaps they didn't have a point.    So until I get an independent witness that the entire pantheon was culpable for murder and the majority of their subjects were unhappy with their rule (which the voices in the library seem to disagree with), I'm keeping an open mind on the subject.   What my elves do realise is that Solas confirmed their legend that says the reason the gods don't answer their prayers is that they can't, so it isn't worth looking for any help from that direction.

[Tidus]

Abyss108,There are hundreds of those walk throughs  and all of the ones I watched was yes'm and the first reply available was used.

 

I stumbled through my first two games and watched many of those videos.