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[goishen]

Right, but if I'm having to search through endless crates to craft my equipment just to reach sub-par level, I'm not sure what I'd do.  I'm not saying that I had to do this in DAI, as my stuff was always equal to my level, I guess?  But it would just irritate the bloody hell outta me having someone go, "WE HAVE TO GET THERE, NOW!  But here's a room with 20 crates that you have to search first because otherwise you might miss something.  But oh yah, WE HAVE TO GET THERE, NOW!"

[Mcfly616]

I rather like exploring and discovering upgrades to better my gear and make me more effective in the game world, over the alternative which is being hurried along like cattle or dragged by the wrist like children, only to run down the next hallway into the next shooting gallery.

 

 

I'm hoping there is a good variety of populated as well as desolate landscapes to explore. Find cool items in ancient ruins or off the bodies or wreckage of ill-fated explorers who had come before me. Much better than running along the only path the game will allow me to run along, stumbling over every item the devs have conveniently placed at our feet for us as if we were too dull to go looking around for things ourselves.

[JeffZero]

That all sounds great, but I'm not a fan of what DAI and any other open-world game I've attempted has had to sacrifice to get there. DAI less so than the others, at least, so hopefully the devs don't get too full of those GOTY awards (hey, I'm happy for 'em, I know they worked very hard) to recognize the faults.

[Geralt of Relays]

I wouldn’t like the “core” of the new Mass Effect title to go the same way as DAI. For one or two hub areas it could maybe work, but not for everything. DAI for the most part felt like a lite MMO, huge landscapes but mostly lifeless and static, with some meaningless fetch/collection quests, set level areas, lots of impassable terrain and random MOBS spawning right on top of you. Like someone else has already mentioned, it was a lot like playing two different types of games when you switched between the main plot and side quests/areas.

 

You’re also really kinda tricked into thinking DAI is this mega epic adventure with all the running around and mini quests you go out to do. It’s very easy to get sidelined into doing so many of the quests, and you forgot what you went to an area initially to do. The first area especially wasn’t very well designed, you felt that you should do as much as you can before moving on, it’s not really made apparent you can safely move on to other areas. You can see a lot was sacrificed to pull the large areas off, you don’t even have cutscenes with most NPCs, and a lot of quests/acrs are handled by text only.

 

I’d rather things were a bit smaller scaled but more varied to compensate, like with your squad for example. I’d much rather ME2 had 6 teammates and 2 or 3 stories/quests each for them as opposed to 1 each in a squad of 12. Part of the charm in Mass Effect is replaying the story to get different character reactions/outcomes while you try your own one out as a different class or gender. More of that with some variety & a better put together story will fit the bill just fine.

[JeffZero]

I wouldn’t like the “core” of the new Mass Effect title to go the same way as DAI. For one or two hub areas it could maybe work, but not for everything. DAI for the most part felt like a lite MMO, huge landscapes but mostly lifeless and static, with some meaningless fetch/collection quests, set level areas, lots of impassable terrain and random MOBS spawning right on top of you. Like someone else has already mentioned, it was a lot like playing two different types of games when you switched between the main plot and side quests/areas.

 

You’re also really kinda tricked into thinking DAI is this mega epic adventure with all the running around and mini quests you go out to do. It’s very easy to get sidelined into doing so many of the quests, and you forgot what you went to an area initially to do. The first area especially wasn’t very well designed, you felt that you should do as much as you can before moving on, it’s not really made apparent you can safely move on to other areas. You can see a lot was sacrificed to pull the large areas off, you don’t even have cutscenes with most NPCs, and a lot of quests/acrs are handled by text only.

 

I’d rather things were a bit smaller scaled but more varied to compensate, like with your squad for example. I’d much rather ME2 had 6 teammates and 2 or 3 stories/quests each for them as opposed to 1 each in a squad of 12. Part of the charm in Mass Effect is replaying the story to get different character reactions/outcomes while you try your own one out as a different class or gender. More of that with some variety & a better put together story will fit the bill just fine.

 

I so hope they read this.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I wouldn’t like the “core” of the new Mass Effect title to go the same way as DAI. For one or two hub areas it could maybe work, but not for everything. DAI for the most part felt like a lite MMO, huge landscapes but mostly lifeless and static, with some meaningless fetch/collection quests, set level areas, lots of impassable terrain and random MOBS spawning right on top of you. Like someone else has already mentioned, it was a lot like playing two different types of games when you switched between the main plot and side quests/areas.

 

You’re also really kinda tricked into thinking DAI is this mega epic adventure with all the running around and mini quests you go out to do. It’s very easy to get sidelined into doing so many of the quests, and you forgot what you went to an area initially to do. The first area especially wasn’t very well designed, you felt that you should do as much as you can before moving on, it’s not really made apparent you can safely move on to other areas. You can see a lot was sacrificed to pull the large areas off, you don’t even have cutscenes with most NPCs, and a lot of quests/acrs are handled by text only.

 

I’d rather things were a bit smaller scaled but more varied to compensate, like with your squad for example. I’d much rather ME2 had 6 teammates and 2 or 3 stories/quests each for them as opposed to 1 each in a squad of 12. Part of the charm in Mass Effect is replaying the story to get different character reactions/outcomes while you try your own one out as a different class or gender. More of that with some variety & a better put together story will fit the bill just fine.

The DAI hub main quests were tied to the main plot. The other side quests within those hubs were just as any other RPG, either loosely related or not at all. Mass Effect suffers from the same thing, DAI at least manages to pull away from that by having the area quest tie into the main story in some way or another. Even without doing all of the sidequests and only the minimum to progress, DAI is still an epic adventure and is no shorter than the main quests in ME1-3. The only "text quests" are those of the war table, but even some of those require more hands on involvement depending on the mission.

 

There are actually more companion specific cutscenes in DAI then there were in ME1, 2, or 3. They then added on top of that the 3rd person dialogue encounters which gave you even more topics to discuss with the companions. Someone added them all up, forget where but basically DAI had at least 4-5 more companion cutscenes per companion than any of the individual mass effect games had for theirs. The companions in DAI also have several outcomes based on your decisions not only in their personal quest, but throughout the game. Minimum of 2-4 unique outcomes per companion by the end of DAI.

[Element Zero]

The problem with DAI is that the proportions are all off, so to speak. The main quests make up a very small portion of the gameplay. The "open world" spread all of the good content too thinly, and featured far too much filler content. While I think ME could fare better, due to a more suitable setting and far superior gameplay, I still hope they don't ruin ME in the same way. I don't want a diluted experience like I got with DAI.

[JoltDealer]

Inquisition was Bioware's first foray with the Frostbite 3 engine and it had incredible results.  Considering that the next Mass Effect is said to heavily focus on exploration, my thoughts are that we will be able to explore planets in the same way that we explored regions in Dragon Age.  I don't think we'll be able to explore the entire planet, especially with a high level of detail, but I'm guessing each of the areas will be just as large, if not larger than those in Inquisition.

 

My only real request is that the hub areas, like the Citadel or Omega, be just as vast and have more activities to take part in.  Mass Effect gave a bit over the course of three games, like Quasar, going to clubs like Afterlife or Chora's Den, and drinking at bars.  However, the Citadel gave us the closest thing to what I was thinking of.  You had an area you could interact with squadmates -- go drinking, go gambling, go dancing, or whatever -- but it was limited.  I think the social areas should be an large, open area that we can explore and actively participate in.  Want to take a break from exploring?  Come to the Citadel and enjoy our casinos!  Go on a hunting trip on Tuchanka!  Do some underground fighting on Omega!

 

I just think these areas should be more than just a place where we walk around, buy things, and pick up side missions.

[Seishoujyo]

The easiest way would be to do an hybrid, let's say ME4 would have some huge explorations levels for the Mako and the other half would be like ME2 and ME3.

 

Actually it's just like ME1, do ME1 again but this time even better on the Mako and exploration parts.

[Liveshiptrader]

Would have welcomed the idea pre-DAI, story and lore was Biowares strong point and DAI is a poor attempt to mesh them

[Nitrocuban]

I think it's obvious that Bioware had games like Fallout 3 or Skyrim in mind when they made DAI.

And in my memories Fallout New Vegas was at its best when I just walked through the wasteland, explored locations and randomly fought rad scorpions and bandits.

But from Bioware people expect a game with more story and deeper characters, not just endless grinding and fetch quests in desolated landscapes.

[Malanek]

I do hope that exploratory Mako driving doesn't make up more than 15% (preferably less) of the gameplay time. I am slowly getting through DAI, and am enjoying parts of it, but the pacing of the game doesn't grip me. Quite a bit of the game feels like work, something to slog through, rather than entertainment. It could be the second Bioware game I have played that I never finish (NWN was the only other one). DAI does seem to have been very successful, and a lot of people love it so I can't really begrudge Bioware from following the formula. But I do hope they think about ways that people who enjoy a good story and good action set at more of a ME2 or ME3 pace can enjoy it.

[JeffZero]

Honestly my fear is that this is the approach that sells so it's going to continue with future BioWare titles. A lot of gamers like what you and I classify as "feeling like work." I sure don't, you sure don't. It makes things feel pretty darn slow and hard to describe as gripping as a result, for us. But so many others are talking about how "maybe it has a bit too much filler, but otherwise it"s terrific."

...:/ "a little"