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[SgtSteel91]

People think that when they reconcile they won't go back to the 'unhealthy' relationship they had in Masked Empire, is what my explanation would be.

[ButterRum]

People think that when they reconcile they won't go back to the 'unhealthy' relationship they had in Masked Empire, is what my explanation would be.

 

I don't know how that's possible for those two. 

[Storvacker]

First of all, even if their personal relationship is no longer healthy, if you reunite them, Celene makes a very public move to give Briala an official position in her court. Removing her, especially with the Inquisitor's influence, would look bad. Briala has good intentions for elves but she forces change too much - most of the characters agree she's too radical and her change would cause too much pushback. With her behind Gaspard, things won't go well, but with her as a public ally of Celene's, she could make some real, good changes for elves happen.

 

Second of all, the game gives nothing to indicate their relationship turns sour again, so here's hoping.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Spoiler

Despite your dislike of the option, CeleneXBriala does result in a more stable ending. Siding with Briala + Gaspard leaves an unstable empire. Reuniting Briala and Celene has the empress keep her promise from the end of TME to Briala (making her the first elven noble). I view it as similar to how the city elves got a Bann at the end of Origins thanks to their aid in defending Denerim. Celene ends up with a much more stable empire. That said, Gaspard is forced by Briala to close all the Alienages so if you favor rapid change, damn the consequences than siding with BrialaXGaspard is the way to go.

 

The only ending I'm missing is forcing all three to work to together. Since its the hardest outcome to obtain, I suspect it will end up with the best epilogue slide.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

 

Second of all, the game gives nothing to indicate their relationship turns sour again, so here's hoping.

 

Technically the game gives no hint they even start up an intimate relationship again. Celene just rewards Briala with nobility, the first of her kind in the empire.

[draken-heart]

So... A guide on the Court approval thing?

[Hazegurl]

I picked Gaspard as i don't care about the elves and Celene was too busying "Playing the Game" to see that she was a hairs breath from getting played. I went with military might and in the end I like the choice

[Dark Helmet]

Gaspard took the throne unchallenged after Celene's little... accident, and Briala was disposed of.

 

Surprise surprise the honorable military man makes an honorable military emperor. Tevinter better watch itself.

[Tessalyn_Moore]

So I don't care about reuniting Celene and Briala, because honestly, they aren't a healthy couple. However, I would really like to know how to force them all to work together. I managed to get into Celene's room with the tied up Chevalier, but I told him not to tell anyone. I also found the locket, and dirt on both Briala and Gaspard. Yet I still didn't have the work together option. Should I not have told the Chevalier to keep quiet? Or was there other dirt on Celene? Should I not have confronted them about the locket? I really would like this quest to end with me ultimately coming out on top. Someone please help! Thanks! Btw's freaking love this game!!!

[Costin_Razvan]

"I detest the game." - Gaspard

 

"You're becoming Emperor if you put an end to THIS lunacy!" - My Inquisitor.

 

He has the rightful claim to the throne, is the most powerful ruler and certainly the more likable one for me. Whereas Briala wants to just use you and Celene will work to undermine you once Corypheus is dead Gaspard is an honest ally to the Inquisition and an honest ally is worth ten thousand false ones.

 

 I really would like this quest to end with me ultimately coming out on top.

Side with Gaspard, gives the Inquisition considerable power without turning Orlais into a real bloody mess which is what happens if you try and force them to work together.
 

[NugHugs]

I had Florianne arrested and dragged away. Celene and Briala working together while Gaspard prepared to be executed. Leaving him alive seemed a little risky, considering he saw no problem in continuing a civil war while the world was literally being ripped apart.

 

The Masked Empire showed that Celene is a fierce leader and will defend her people no matter the personal cost. Gaspard is trying to take the throne because he feels its his right, not because it would be for the good of Orlais.

 

Besides, after reading The Masked Empire, it'd be a crime to keep Celene and Briala apart.

[Master Race]

I keep seeing if you put Gaspard on the throne he wants to invade Ferelden. However some people say he gets along well with Allistar and instead turns his troops to Tevinter. How do i get him to do the second option if i put him on the throne?

[InstantNoodlez]

I wish I can shank all three.

There are holes to the other world floating about, and your planet is filled with zombies in its delicious gooey core, and all you care about is the game? The entire court deserves to be eaten by zombies.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I keep seeing if you put Gaspard on the throne he wants to invade Ferelden. However some people say he gets along well with Allistar and instead turns his troops to Tevinter. How do i get him to do the second option if i put him on the throne?

You need to do a 19 hours mission from the War Table after choosing him and that's it.

[Barquiel]

I had Gaspard executed and Celene/Briala reconciled.

Even without metagaming I can't think of any reason why my inquisitor would want to depose Celene. Sure, Gaspard is (sometimes) honorable when fighting. But in all other things he plays the game as dirty, if not dirtier than Celene. Josephine (and the codex) also made it clear that Celene was a good ruler who brought on something of a golden age for Orlais. Looking back at her whole reign she brought peace, wealth, education and less oppression for the elves (Briala being raised to noble status should improve this further)...which is better than whatever Gaspard is promising. He simply doesn't offer anything. The only positive thing about him is that he no longer wants to invade Ferelden. This question doesn't even arise with Briala and Celene.

Not to mention the way Briala looked at Celene and said her name when I reconciled them

[Milan92]

You need to do a 19 hours mission from the War Table after choosing him and that's it.

 

What's interesting is that the same mission popped up for me when I choose Celene today.

 

Anora apperantly wanted peace talks or something. I don't know wether it will affect the ending like it does for Gaspard.

[Efvie]

You need to do a 19 hours mission from the War Table after choosing him and that's it.

 

Which, tbh, is super-annoying to me. Basically the entire point of his stupid rebellion was to start a war with Ferelden. (From Masked Empire.)

 

I didn’t know that, and feel cheated that the primary in-game non-meta* reason to select Celene, who otherwise is as grand an ******* as all the other Orlesians, over Gaspard is just papered over in a trivial move afterwards? What a way to ruin significant choices.

 

 

 

* OK, it’s not expressly stated in the game but obviously Leliana, if not everybody else in the world, could fill the Inquisitor in on it because it’s common knowledge.

[ladyofpayne]

Gaspard of cource. His mask holds in his authority only.

[xikorra]

Is there a way to make the ending for this mission the smoothest possible for elves to end up having rights in the city? gettin real tired of people in orlais treating them like trash 

 

wondering if Briala actually honours elves if i make her a puppet master this time round

[JJDXB]

Which, tbh, is super-annoying to me. Basically the entire point of his stupid rebellion was to start a war with Ferelden. (From Masked Empire.)

 

I didn’t know that, and feel cheated that the primary in-game non-meta* reason to select Celene, who otherwise is as grand an ******* as all the other Orlesians, over Gaspard is just papered over in a trivial move afterwards? What a way to ruin significant choices.

 

 

 

* OK, it’s not expressly stated in the game but obviously Leliana, if not everybody else in the world, could fill the Inquisitor in on it because it’s common knowledge.

 

I'm pretty sure you don't need to do that operation for Celene to not invade.  Basically, the meeting is only to formalise that they won't go to war, not to prevent war from breaking out.

 

Celene: Will never declare war on Ferelden, operation only formalises this

Gaspard: Will declare war on Ferelden, operation prevents this.

 

I could never side with Gaspard.  There's no such thing as an honourable warmonger.  He think's the solution to Orlais' problems is war with Ferelden.  To put in him in a position to be able to do this... he starts a war.  His inevitable solution to everything is war.  At least when you play the grand game, the death is localised.

 

He's so caught up in his birthright and his own glory he starts a war that kills thousands.  All so he can start another war that will inevitably kill thousands more.  Some honour that is.

[Efvie]

I'm pretty sure you don't need to do that operation for Celene to not invade.  Basically, the meeting is only to formalise that they won't go to war, not to prevent war from breaking out.

 

Celene: Will never declare war on Ferelden, operation only formalises this

Gaspard: Will declare war on Ferelden, operation prevents this.

 

No, that’s what I mean… I’d be hard-pressed to choose Celeste if Gaspard hadn’t threatened to declare war on Ferelden. That’s literally the only thing going for her, she’s been evil enough that her more pacific overtures hardly matter. So to nullify that by letting the player do a mission (which is an inconsequential cost since you can just quit overnight and it’ll be done the next day) to basically acquit Gaspard is pretty nasty.

 

Of course I guess you can always headcanon that he’ll break the treaty later, but still.

[Jaison1986]

Is there a way to make the ending for this mission the smoothest possible for elves to end up having rights in the city? gettin real tired of people in orlais treating them like trash 

 

wondering if Briala actually honours elves if i make her a puppet master this time round

 

Aparently, you can do that if make Celene and Briala make up. 

 

To be honest, I would just put Gaspard on the throne alone and do the silly war table mission for peace. Ending the idiotic Orlesian game and putting those stupid nobles in their places is more interesting to me. Celene was an progressive leader, but also and weak one that was more interested in keeping appearances.

[Barquiel]

No, that’s what I mean… I’d be hard-pressed to choose Celeste if Gaspard hadn’t threatened to declare war on Ferelden. That’s literally the only thing going for her, she’s been evil enough that her more pacific overtures hardly matter. So to nullify that by letting the player do a mission (which is an inconsequential cost since you can just quit overnight and it’ll be done the next day) to basically acquit Gaspard is pretty nasty.

 

 

It depends on what's important to you. Celene is a progressive ruler who at the very least cares about things like education, culture and living standards in Orlais...while Gaspard is conservative/reactionary, even if he doesn't invade Ferelden.

[Icy Magebane]

The mission was to keep Celene from harm so that's what we did.  My Inquisitor didn't know enough about Orlesian politics to start meddling beyond his initial plans... as for Briala, she wound up getting exiled.  She seemed kind of shady so I figured it was best not to take chances.

[killnoob]

For those of you who are interested in those tricky scenrios where celene didn't die and halla statues/court approval are required to obtain, here are all the outcomes I was able to obtain, as well as the number of halla statue required to get them:

 

1 -  Save Celene, Reunit her with briala. Doing this require you to have discovered the elven locket in the queen's safe room. This is done in the second bell act, when you are still prancing around the servants quarter/garden/grand apartment. The door there requires 3 halla statute.  This option will result in Gaspard's death. You cannot spare Gaspard and reunite Celene and Briala (as far as I'm concerned.)

 

2 - Force all three to work together. Despite the inplication, this ending I feel is actually worse than reuniting celene and briala because all three of them only accepted the truth out of grudge. The speech Celene made was very animated, almost forced, and you just can't help but wonder how long will the peace last. To do this you need to spend 5 halla statue on the emperess room after you danced with Flourienne, as well as getting the elvish servant and gaspard's mercenary to testify.

 

These options all require high court approval, which you can gain by being fashionably late, throwing capris coins into the pond, and talking to noble (but not pester them as you would lose approval if you do. Also, don't jump on the table.)

 

You can also get other endings where Gaspard/briala is exiled/executed if you didn't find the locket or really hates Gaspard.

Hope this helps.