wasn't baldur's gate recently remade?
Well we got the enhanced editions, although I'd still recommend playing the original. Somehow the 'enhanced' edition introduced new bugs, plus the new voice acting is, let's just say, not up to par with the original voice acting.
"A den of stinking evil. Cover your nose Boo, we will leave no crevice untouched! SQUEEK!" 
51%, sure, but how much of that 51% is AAA stuff like Bio makes? Tons of money coming in for Facebook crap doesn't change anything for DAI, because those gamers aren't going to play DAI.
Unfortunately this. A lot of these games could be facebook games.
The main problem for the PC is that the parts are expensive, and you have to know about these parts. For example, what is a GPU, who are the manufacturers, how do they compare. None of these are problems for the consoles. If you are a technologically oriented like myself this is easy, but a lot of my friends are not and when I talk to them they sort of get a mist over there eyes. The limit of their understanding is basically "new gen" and "old gen", and I'll bet that concept extents to a lot of people.
So yes the PCs are better systems that give a better experience. However you also have to follow the market and understand the technology to an extent to know what you are doing. Most people,unfortunately, never bother to do that. And with the consoles you do not need to.
i can honestly say that for me the BG series (as i had recently downloaded the enhanced edition) was a little out of my element, as it used the 2nd edition rule set combined with a lack of instruction left me perplex when it came to advancing further in the game. I loved the class kits system 2nd edition used (though the few times i played the actual tabletop version of 2nd edition, all 3 times of it, we never used them.) The game itself was also very unforgiving, if a character dies, they are dead. Could you imagine if inquisition was like that?
I have no problem with turn based gameplay as my first foray into RPG's were all turn based back then. Heck i still play some turn based first person rpgs, usually on handhelds though, however that style of game play just doesn't seem to take full advantage of the system its played on these days. I think that's why a lot of developers ditched it. This doesn't mean it shouldn't exist in some form though, i really wanted a good developer to take the DnD license and make a video game version of 4th edition because it practically was made to resemble it in terms of how the rules worked, even if it was first person i'd have happily bought that up with out a second thought, so long as they kept it up to date and added the additional material that came out periodically.
I love Baldur's Gate - BG II is one of my favourites ever - but let's not kid ourselves. A huge chunk of the love is nostalgia-based. If you'd never played it before and only seen if for the first time today, a lot of that love would evaporate.
I disagree. There are quite a few older games which I've played for the first time pretty recently and absolutely loved.
It's not like my love for these games is somehow based on obscure mushy feelings. I could list pretty precisely all the things I love about those games that aren't present in most newer games.
My dear OP,
I understand what you are asking but you should know that the Bioware of old is no more. That Bioware is dead and dusted. This is a new Bioware with a new style and they cater to a new set of audience. I don't think they even can do a Baldur's Gate sequel.
If you want the old school, classical RPGs, you have to look outside of Bioware. Pillars of Eternity and Torment Tides of Numenara are for you.
That's the good thing about gaming. It is a free market environment, not regulated by the state or some bullshite organization. You can get the game you want, just not with the same company since companies tend to evolve.
Cheers.
I love Baldur's Gate - BG II is one of my favourites ever - but let's not kid ourselves. A huge chunk of the love is nostalgia-based. If you'd never played it before and only seen if for the first time today, a lot of that love would evaporate.
Thank you.
I never played Baldur's Gate when it came out and tried to play it recently and it was very hard to get into.
You can tell it used to come with a huge instruction manual book that needed to be read before playing.
I just couldn't work out the D&D style mechanics, like the random rolls to create your character, which numbers are better? no clue.
I'm sure it worked if you played RPGs on PC when it came out but because I didn't I found it very hard to get into.
Thank you.
I never played Baldur's Gate when it came out and tried to play it recently and it was very hard to get into.
You can tell it used to come with a huge instruction manual book that needed to be read before playing.
I just couldn't work out the D&D style mechanics, like the random rolls to create your character, which numbers are better? no clue.
I'm sure it worked if you played RPGs on PC when it came out but because I didn't I found it very hard to get into.
Yeah, the game mechanics are certainly rather imprenetrable, and 2e AD&D in general was never anything to write home about when it comes to user friendliness (and Vancian magic, while OK in PnP, is simply tedious in a cRPG). But once you learn what's going on, the combat mechanics are reasonable - no worse than DA:O for example - and in the really important aspects - storytelling, characters etc. - BG2 in particular is still ahead of anything Bioware have done since.
And I'll admit, I did wonder how much was simple nostalgia. A couple of years back, I picked up both BGs from GoG, as I couldn't find my old CDs. The first one was a little disappointing - it was still reasonably fun, but it didn't feel nearly as good as it did when it was the game that got me into cRPGs - but BG2 still holds up perfectly well against any RPGs released since.
Some people are truly clueless, there is still and always will be a MASSIVE market for hardcore rpgs, and hardcore games in general, and that market will only grow as streaming and competetive gaming becomes even more relevant than it is today, people want challenging games, don' try to tell yourself that casuals are 90% of the market or some **** that ubisoft pulled out a ditch.
When there's no innovation and only the same iterations with almost no change to gameplay mechanics for years on end with the same format wich bioware has run with since they abandoned baldurs gate, then the games industry will end up like hollywood where 9/10 movies don't even break even but keeps getting made to keep the big wheel rolling.
Yeah, the game mechanics are certainly rather imprenetrable, and 2e AD&D in general was never anything to write home about when it comes to user friendliness (and Vancian magic, while OK in PnP, is simply tedious in a cRPG). But once you learn what's going on, the combat mechanics are reasonable - no worse than DA:O for example - and in the really important aspects - storytelling, characters etc. - BG2 in particular is still ahead of anything Bioware have done since.
And I'll admit, I did wonder how much was simple nostalgia. A couple of years back, I picked up both BGs from GoG, as I couldn't find my old CDs. The first one was a little disappointing - it was still reasonably fun, but it didn't feel nearly as good as it did when it was the game that got me into cRPGs - but BG2 still holds up perfectly well against any RPGs released since.
I've yet to get far enough in for the story to grab me, so I don't know.
I've been told that BG2 is better so I might try again with that.
That's because the market has massively shifted - the PC gaming market has collapsed from its late 90s heights. It's impossible for a major studio to create AAA games solely for the PC market these days unless a) they're an MMO with a longer money train, or b.) small studios with low overhead working in cheaper Eastern European countries (ie CD Projekt).
You can't support a company the size of Bioware which makes complex games with long development many-year cycles and just release them on PC in 2014.
Of course I agree with you after all these is a bussines, but to be honest developers dont look the same way their markets, its true in these days consoles have all the hype but there are more pc players out there than console gamer, and the pc market its more mature, soo its unthinkable that Bioware in this case cant at least polish well enough the game mechanics of their games in all the diferent platforms they release. Soo my point is why not respect their consumers?
well since I am waaaay too lazy to read everything everyone posted, Ill say something thats likely already been said - BG already got re-made... its called Baldurs Gate: Enhanced Edition, its available on Steam (among other places) and it pays all the respects the original deserves. ;-)
Pillars of Eternity.
Yes, yes and more yes, I cant wait too see if it lives to it promises....
51%, sure, but how much of that 51% is AAA stuff like Bio makes? Tons of money coming in for Facebook crap doesn't change anything for DAI, because those gamers aren't going to play DAI.
Dude you read wrong that last coment, the facebook games are not part of that 51%, they are part of the 49% of sales between the mobile games (smartphones ejem facebook games) and the other consoles. This is a fact, pc sales more and have more user, of course there is the piracy theme but even with that the pc market sales more than its competitor.
This new installment is a decent game, but I must say bioware.. We have ventured quite far from our beginnings..
the view is nice, yet the complexity is long gone...
Not to mention years later I was more impressed with the rpg element of baldur's gate when I first played it vs this one. Do not get me wrong the story is great the world is great, but ahem where did the challenge go?
I remember when we had clerics mages rangers etc. cleics had to pray for a number of spells and mages had to MEMORIZE numbers of spells..
I think not having the d&d license anymore or whatever reason we are not playing by those rules take away strategy from the game.
I just maybe reminiscing and being nostalgic, yet I think those were your greatest games...
Good job on the game, I am playing it as we speak it will remain in my library...
http://en.wikipedia....e_Box_Cover.jpgThis is where you come from thou...
They won't ever go back, the real people who made that game (Black isle) have disbanded their team from long ago. Bioware just co-devellopped the game with them but clearly, after BG serie and the disappearance of Black isle, Bioware was never be able to do the same or don't want to because not enough mainstream.
I will be enough happy if they just stick/go back to DAO roots and keep them.
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