Currently playing on nightmare, and I seem to be pretty stuck.
My party members all have essentially zero health, and I have no potions remaining. I brought a mage, and so far have just been trying to cast barrier and run around in an attempt to find the Templars and Lyrium with little success.
Is it possible to even finish the quest at this point? Am I missing something? Reloading from a previous save is not a viable option.
There are supply caches in both East and West sections. If you already used those up? Tough luck. To be honest though, if you are having problem with that problem, you most likely will not survive what's coming next.
On Nightmare, it's a very good idea to make a separate save before engaging in every main plot mission, just in case your character levels are too low, or if you aren't geared enough.
There is another one right before the boss. If you're having this much trouble though, you may want to reload and start again or come back later, as the boss is 5 times more difficult than what you are doing right now.
You can upgrade Regeneration Potions starting in the hinterlands and they only cost elfroot to replenish which is abundant. I would recommend doing a little farming and upgrade your regen potions as much as possible and keeping them fully stocked before you go into areas like Champions of the Just.
It could be a problem with your party layout and builds too. I would suggest reading up on strong vs weak builds on the forum and make sure that you have a fairly balanced party. I recommend Blackwall or Cassandra as the only melee (unless your protagonist is a sword and shield fighter). Your rogue should be ranged and then you should probably have 2 mages.
At least until they update melee aoe to be a little less harsh on DPS types.
At least until they update melee aoe to be a little less harsh on DPS types.
Please this. Pls.
I ended up just changing the difficulty, which is sort of unfortunate, but it is what it is. In retrospect, I should have brought more appropriate party members along for this quest; I just hate dropping Varric and Iron Bull though.
I really appreciate all the tips!
There are supply caches in both East and West sections. If you already used those up? Tough luck. To be honest though, if you are having problem with that problem, you most likely will not survive what's coming next.
On Nightmare, it's a very good idea to make a separate save before engaging in every main plot mission, just in case your character levels are too low, or if you aren't geared enough.
Hey!
This is exactly where I'm stuck. What a horribly (IMO) structured quest.
I came into this quest on nightmare at level 6 because I had no idea how it was structured. (Long time RPG and nightmare veteran, too.)
Also - because you don't name saves, I accidentally saved over my last Haven save. I HATE that more than I can say.
I'm at the end with no HP and the first wave of red templars wipes me.
I've used one healing cache in the main hall earlier, cannot find these other ones you guys are on about.
Where are the east, west and "prior to the final battle" caches?
i did not found any caches except cache which been provided before yougo and seek for lyrium and officers, and you can manage to do all templar fights without using single healing potion on nightmare, and save all the potions for Envy Demon.
How to do it?
1. Positioning - need to fight in place where your flanks covered from archers.
2. Avoiding posititioning of several characters when horrors use their red aura.
3. Caring about hp/guard for main tank (Cass/Black) - red templars are easy with guard generation, generally , you can manage all templars fights in hall and sides with 5 regens on main tank, or even less.
4. Mage (better spirit tree Solas) should be in covered position, always back and unreachable/covered, but close to party.
5. I used 2 rogues to generate loads of combos. Sera as bow, full stealth spec lvl 7, Quizzie DW rogue with full stealth + poison. Intitate from stealh, and proceeed to combo. Combos are strong and work amazingly well at fight before the Envy demon when templars try to dispel the barrier.
Combos, Combos , Stunlock, : You can generate: Shatter, Rupture and as AOE - nightmare - which is incredibly useful because midn blast and well placed KP cone could put all the enemy horde into nightmare and send them into panic.
6. Prioritize squishy archers with rogues.
7. Do not care about hp on rogues during fights at all. They should not be hit. IF you lose one, you can revive with hands or spell. Barrier time is perfect for reviving. Revived Rogue can KP > Stealth > SB.
Once you go to Envy Demon, swap for your DW Rogue for bow. Till Envy turns into duplicate and Cole joins the fight keep running circles, micromanaging all characters to avoid cluster. Potions are necessay in some points if you screw some movement/ misjudge direction. Use Bees pots. You can keep running circles and ressing fallen mates, Solas is very useful bc of revive and barrier power. PW rogue also useful cause PW is actuallty strong way to damage. Tank should taunt and run too. Once Envy demon calls for red templars and Cole enters fight, you won already. You may need all your 8 potions on that Envy Demon first part fight, and no need to use those pots during templars fights at all, instead focus on positioning, timing and precious party combos, especially AOE nightmare. Nightmaring never gets old for me.
Does availability of supply caches vary with difficulty? I played on hard and was able to find two caches:
1- In the main hall, there is a cache on left side (of the hall) next to a pillar, near the scaffolding at the back.
2- After the barriers are down, up the left hand stairs about half-way along the wall. [Edit:] That may have been loot? Then the cache is up the right hand stairs, left side in corner of the upstairs area overlooking the main hall.
I couldn't find anything in the east and west wings.
Using potion during fight even on nightmare shouldn't be an issue since careful positioning and micromanaging your team should be the focus. Send your tank in first with while abusing shield wall and taunt (dissable evry other ability tbh).
- Spread your character around the room. Range to hold the pillar on each corner, and have your tank position him in the middle. he should always pounce on the tank, and using Shield Wall will grant you a big amount of guard.
- During the boss phase, keep the shield for your tank, since he should be the only one taking damage while being jumped on.
- If you're still not familiar with the window opportunity for melee on the boss, keep your mele dps at bay and let him handle the adds during the second phase.
- focus target the adds one by one, range first, then mele.
- Kite the melee adds if necessary.
- If your party do not have full health prior the fight, abuse the equip/unequip + health gear trick too top them off.
The boss itself isn't hard, you just have to stay focus and repeat the same thing over and over for 3 ~ 4 min to beat him.
You do not need to use exploits to win this on NM. You just can run , PW ranged hit, and revive bros keeping Solas with revive and barriers in safety.
Also, dat bee jars. I call them boss boosters.
IMO Bees > regen potions.. just make sure everyone has bees, that way you have 12 bees in total across your party. Any time you get in a "boss fight" make use of said bees. Most "trash" shouldn't need them on.
Also, on NM mode GEAR is way more important then levels. Always make an effort to have the absolute best gear you can craft/get. Why? Because enemies will auto-level to your level.. so gaining a level doesn't really help you.. however getting better gear DOES since the enemies don't auto-gear to be equal to your gear.
So far using a strategy of trying to keep my level as low as possible while doing the main quests to get access to higher tier gear before going back and doing side quests; has worked quite well for me on nightmare mode.
IMO Bees > regen potions.. just make sure everyone has bees, that way you have 12 bees in total across your party. Any time you get in a "boss fight" make use of said bees. Most "trash" shouldn't need them on.
Interesting ... do bees stack?
Can't check it myself until tonight...
I think it does not, afaik.
But i use combos of antivan bombs + x2 Bees.
Only tank have regens. (Or Solas too if you going to Mind Blast into the face for those Nightmare chains like i do)
It's absolutely hilarious what a walk in the park "In Hushed Whispers" is in comparison. I just got my ass handed to me by the Envy Demon 6 times on Nightmare before I finally took it down, immensely satisfying.
I found that quest on nightmare wasn't too bad. I was playing as a mage and had Cass, Blackwall and Sera with me. Fighting the ugly was easy. Just avoid it when it goes into the ground and comes out near you. Just like fighting the greater/lesser terror
I found that quest on nightmare wasn't too bad. I was playing as a mage and had Cass, Blackwall and Sera with me. Fighting the ugly was easy. Just avoid it when it goes into the ground and comes out near you. Just like fighting the greater/lesser terror
Unlike the Terror, the Envy Demon pops out much faster and when it spams the uninterruptible AoE fear literally every single time and within 3 seconds of its teleport, you're pretty much screwed if your team consists of 2+ melees, since you can't even dodge.
I guess it really comes down to how lucky you are with its ability pattern and whether or not it decides to be a scumbag, aside from your level and equipment of course.
You do not need to use exploits to win this on NM. You just can run , PW ranged hit, and revive bros keeping Solas with revive and barriers in safety.
Also, dat bee jars. I call them boss boosters.
Nah. The only real difficult thing on the boss is the AOE panick, but you can understand when it does so because he slightly lowers and a circle appears below him. As for the sneak attack, when an assassin enemy (not only the Envy demon) go in stealth you can still see him/her if you are careful. Simply attack when he is invisible (if you put your mouse pointer above the "transparency" a cursor will appear as with a normal enemy) and you remove the stealth and so he cannot perform the highly damaging sneak attack.
You should be able to load a Milestone save from before you started the mission? That's what I had to do, got destroyed repeatedly by the Envy Demon.
It feels like such a waste but it is really worth it. If you still have the save, do random sidequests for a while until you're around lvl 8/9/10 then try it again. When I tried it the second time it took me half the time to get to the boss, and no real effort to defeat it. I even reloaded and killed it again because I didn't like the choice I made in the cutscene afterwards.
Also, the bit where the Templars are opening the barrier and you have to defend them from infinite waves of Reds, you can just run to the back of the hall and avoid combat. They'll chase you around but the barrier will still drop. Not sure if the good Templars can be killed? Barris can die but I think that might be from letting the Great Hall resistance bar drop too low while you're finding the lyrium and Templar vets.
since enemy hp does not reset back to full after combat, a rogue with stealth is all you need to beat practically every encounter in the game with no hp
1. set up barriers
2. charge in
3. press stealth
4. wait for your party to die while they do very little damage
5. run away till you get out of combat
6. repeat
it does require an absurd amount of time to beat most story missions this way tho... final trebuchet in haven took me 3 hours.this way. took about half an hour to get to the last trebuchet part ^^
Not sure if the good Templars can be killed? Barris can die but I think that might be from letting the Great Hall resistance bar drop too low while you're finding the lyrium and Templar vets.
You said nah, but can you point where I've been wrong?Nah. The only real difficult thing on the boss is the AOE panick, but you can understand when it does so because he slightly lowers and a circle appears below him. As for the sneak attack, when an assassin enemy (not only the Envy demon) go in stealth you can still see him/her if you are careful. Simply attack when he is invisible (if you put your mouse pointer above the "transparency" a cursor will appear as with a normal enemy) and you remove the stealth and so he cannot perform the highly damaging sneak attack.
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