Or Obsidian shouldn't have attempted a design that they couldn't bring off within the contract period.
Actually, what happened was that Lucasarts cut the original planned dev cycle down midproject by about 3 months in order to reach a christmas release for the xbox platform. It came out in december 2004 while the original plan was in february 2005 and we all know Kotor 2 had an abundance of issues by the time it reached the market.
Actually, what happened was that Lucasarts cut the original planned dev cycle down midproject by about 3 months in order to reach a christmas release for the xbox platform. It came out in december 2004 while the original plan was in february 2005 and we all know Kotor 2 had an abundance of issues by the time it reached the market.
Its true. A number of fan mod exist to recreate a lot of that content...because it was actually in the game files. It just hadn't been implemented becuase LucasArts didn't let Obsidian finish the game.
So. KOTOR2 deserves its rep (mostly for that chopped up conclusion), but Obsidian doesn't deserve the lion's share of the blame
Beat me to it.
yet they´ve made lately enough of epic fails even without KOTOR II...
KOTOR is great, so is KOTOR II, so is Dragon Age: Inquisition.
Actually, what happened was that Lucasarts cut the original planned dev cycle down midproject by about 3 months in order to reach a christmas release for the xbox platform. It came out in december 2004 while the original plan was in february 2005 and we all know Kotor 2 had an abundance of issues by the time it reached the market.
What was wrong with KOTOR II? I thought it had a solid story, the twist was what made it.
The Sith Triumvirate as such weren't all that exceptional (with the exception of Darth Nihlus) but there was a lot to enjoy about the plot and how it tied nicely into KOTOR I.
As for the reason you aren't taking Cory head on, guy has a Red Lyrium Dragon, an entire force of Red Templar's (I'd say the Mage Alignment and Red Templar's feels slightly more toward a "Canon" path) and an army of Ventatori and Demons that need to be delt with, not to mention the Orb he's carrying.
While it could've been explained a little better, the idea is you are breaking Corys forces by destroying supply lines, eliminating key figures and outposts all the while trying to get the squabbling nobility and chantry under control while also trying to research the orb and any potential weaknesses Cory has.
Wars aren't just won on the battlefield, they are won through many different avenues.
TL;DR; Thought OP was full of bollocks after the first three sentences.
Way to go, pal.
Kotor 2 was terrible. It was just a huge mess of unbelieveable nonsense.
Kreia=Vivienne=character's I can't stand as they keep babbling self interested nonsense.
I keep seeing people saying that Vivienne speaks nonsense, but I don't get how what she says is nonsense at all. What gives?
Its a replacement for "This stuck up woman has the nerve to be powerful, beautiful, and confident, so I hate her."
Nonsense is just easier to say, and faster to type.
Oh, wait. Unapologetic too. She really isn't at all apologetic about her views on life. Maybe that part is the one that's driving everyone nuts.
Oh, wait, you know that ALL actually describes MORRIGAN, doesn't it. 
Kotor 2 was terrible. It was just a huge mess of unbelieveable nonsense.
Kreia=Vivienne=character's I can't stand as they keep babbling self interested nonsense.
You ever read the expanded universe series of Star Wars books?
You had a kid that became literally one with the light side of the force (a living conduit) then he becomes a sith lord soon after.
Exar Kun made more come backs than Ric Flair.
Chewie got a freakin MOON dropped on him
and Leia whom had been inflicted with a Poison that nobody else had survived and there was no antidote for, purged it from her system because Force User.
KOTOR II isn't all that unbelievable compared, at all.
I keep seeing people saying that Vivienne speaks nonsense, but I don't get how what she says is nonsense at all. What gives?
Vivienne's belief is that since she had such a cushy great life under the circle system, then every other mage must have also had the exact same cushy life and therefore mages have no right to complain about being locked up and forbidden from living the life they choose. But we've already seen the large number of abuses, the huge loss of personal freedom in DA:O and DA2 (especially DA2 obviously). So she's full of crap. Her experience is very atypical, and was precisely a result of her great luck of being in the right place at the right time. Had she lived in Kirkwall she'd be singing a different tune.
And contrary to what she says, giving the mages there freedom would not impinge on the freedom of anyone else. A reduction in security isn't the same thing as a reduction in freedom. And we already know that mages can coexist alongside nonmages, that was the Arlathan empire and is also the Tevinter empire, so the whole "if we let mages have their freedom then we'll see abominations and demons everywhere" is clearly incorrect. If they invested resources in creating schools to teach children instead of running circles, they could achieve the same or better results and also gain in addition the benefit of now being able to use magic to assist the community.
Think of the huge benefit that would be. Drought? No problem! Just get a local mage to pull some rain from the Fade! Now your whole village doesn't have to starve to death!
Vivienne's belief is that since she had such a cushy great life under the circle system, then every other mage must have also had the exact same cushy life and therefore mages have no right to complain about being locked up and forbidden from living the life they choose. But we've already seen the large number of abuses, the huge loss of personal freedom in DA:O and DA2 (especially DA2 obviously). So she's full of crap. Her experience is very atypical, and was precisely a result of her great luck of being in the right place at the right time. Had she lived in Kirkwall she'd be singing a different tune.
And contrary to what she says, giving the mages there freedom would not impinge on the freedom of anyone else. A reduction in security isn't the same thing as a reduction in freedom. And we already know that mages can coexist alongside nonmages, that was the Arlathan empire and is also the Tevinter empire, so the whole "if we let mages have their freedom then we'll see abominations and demons everywhere" is clearly incorrect. If they invested resources in creating schools to teach children instead of running circles, they could achieve the same or better results and also gain in addition the benefit of now being able to use magic to assist the community.
Think of the huge benefit that would be. Drought? No problem! Just get a local mage to pull some rain from the Fade! Now your whole village doesn't have to starve to death!
That would have to be the biggest strawman I've seen this week...
I'm pretty certain from dialogue I've explored in Haven that she does not consider her comfortable position to be any kind of standard way of living for other mages in Circles throughout Thedas. She specifically mentions Kirkwall among those that go beyond simply being poor, when you ask her about what Circle life is like. Her position is not that all mages are as comfortable as she is, but rather that the Circles are simply necessary, using the example of a teen lashing out and accidentally killing his mother with lightning, or a little girl burning her house down because of a bad dream. Vivienne's stance is simply that magic is dangerous and mages need a Circle system to serve as a sanctuary and a way to protect other people. She never uses her own position as an example of how the Circle is a good thing.
You ever read the expanded universe series of Star Wars books?
You had a kid that became literally one with the light side of the force (a living conduit) then he becomes a sith lord soon after.
Exar Kun made more come backs than Ric Flair.
Chewie got a freakin MOON dropped on him
and Leia whom had been inflicted with a Poison that nobody else had survived and there was no antidote for, purged it from her system because Force User.
KOTOR II isn't all that unbelievable compared, at all.
The EU is generally crap.
Every single one of the 3 main bad guys is completely unbelieveable. Let me name the ways:
1) Being able to survive being decapitated and cut into tiny pieces. That's impossible. You'd be killed and turned into a force ghost according to Kotor 1. While the Force was able to slowly restore inanimate objects in Kotor 1, that process took thousands of years just to restore a star map or human sized droid. And even then, it was a combination of the Force and nanobots. That wasn't even really a big deal since normal droids could also repair themselves even faster without using the Force (provided they hadn't been destroyed).
2) Being able to use the force to destroy an entire planet of force users. That's impossible. The force has never been portrayed as being able to perform feats like that, in fact it has been portrayed in quite the opposite fashion in Kotor 1.
3) Being able to use the Force to destroy the Force. That's impossible. That also implies that the Force is something other than the Force. In the Star Wars episodes 4-6, the Force is portrayed more along the lines of being or existence itself, the thing which composes the universe. Kotor 1 doesn't really dispute that concept. Even episodes 1-3 tend to hold a similar view, but living beings are only able to interact with the higher plane of existence in so far as they have undefinable midichlorians in their bodies. In order for the Force to be destroyable, it would have to be a discrete existence, which doesn't really mesh with how it is portrayed.
I'm pretty certain from dialogue I've explored in Haven that she does not consider her comfortable position to be any kind of standard way of living for other mages in Circles throughout Thedas. She specifically mentions Kirkwall among those that go beyond simply being poor, when you ask her about what Circle life is like. Her position is not that all mages are as comfortable as she is, but rather that the Circles are simply necessary, using the example of a teen lashing out and accidentally killing his mother with lightning, or a little girl burning her house down because of a bad dream. Vivienne's stance is simply that magic is dangerous and mages need a Circle system to serve as a sanctuary and a way to protect other people. She never uses her own position as an example of how the Circle is a good thing.
Pretty much. She acknowledges abuse occurs but abuse occurs everywhere, she states the need for mages to learn in a controlled environment, she clearly believes that mages should be able to freely come and go from the tower once fully trained. She's pro-mage but would like to push for changes from within the system, and is opposed to Fiona who seems to want a war she cannot win. She's pretty savvy actually, and 100% on the ball.
3) Being able to use the Force to destroy the Force. That's impossible. That also implies that the Force is something other than the Force.
I can just imagine the writer sitting down and wondering: OK, so I'm going to destroy the Force, but what could conceivably be powerful enough to cancel out something so beyond basic understanding? EUREKA! THE FORCE! It was staring me right in the face!
Vivienne's belief is that since she had such a cushy great life under the circle system, then every other mage must have also had the exact same cushy life and therefore mages have no right to complain about being locked up and forbidden from living the life they choose. But we've already seen the large number of abuses, the huge loss of personal freedom in DA:O and DA2 (especially DA2 obviously). So she's full of crap. Her experience is very atypical, and was precisely a result of her great luck of being in the right place at the right time. Had she lived in Kirkwall she'd be singing a different tune.
And contrary to what she says, giving the mages there freedom would not impinge on the freedom of anyone else. A reduction in security isn't the same thing as a reduction in freedom. And we already know that mages can coexist alongside nonmages, that was the Arlathan empire and is also the Tevinter empire, so the whole "if we let mages have their freedom then we'll see abominations and demons everywhere" is clearly incorrect. If they invested resources in creating schools to teach children instead of running circles, they could achieve the same or better results and also gain in addition the benefit of now being able to use magic to assist the community.
Think of the huge benefit that would be. Drought? No problem! Just get a local mage to pull some rain from the Fade! Now your whole village doesn't have to starve to death!
I must now assume you never actually bothered to speak through Vivienne's dialogue line, but rather stopped once you'd decided she was a stuck-up bi**h with a silver spoon in her mouth.
Vivienne is about two things. Fear and control. Its why I can't say she's wrong even when I disagree with the idea that segregating mages is good idea. She's afraid of demons, afraid of becoming an abomination, and the Circle provides her the structure she believes keeps her safe from herself and from others that are to weak to control their power. Certainly she's infinitely more sheltered than she thinks she is. Hell, the dialogue between her and Solas takes on whole new worlds of meaning in light of his identity. But she is hardly a diva that believes other should treat her with deference.
Also, using Tevinter as an example of how mages living outside the Circle is okay is a very bad example. Dorian makes it clear to us that the stories about Tevinter, blood magic, and magical abuses, aren't exaggerated by much.
You ever read the expanded universe series of Star Wars books?
You had a kid that became literally one with the light side of the force (a living conduit) then he becomes a sith lord soon after.
Exar Kun made more come backs than Ric Flair.
Chewie got a freakin MOON dropped on him
and Leia whom had been inflicted with a Poison that nobody else had survived and there was no antidote for, purged it from her system because Force User.
KOTOR II isn't all that unbelievable compared, at all.
That moon bit wasn't too far fetched. They used a tractor beam to pull it towards the planet. And the moon itself was rather small.
Also, using Tevinter as an example of how mages living outside the Circle is okay is a very bad example. Dorian makes it clear to us that the stories about Tevinter, blood magic, and magical abuses, aren't exaggerated by much.
And even Dorian is wary of the idea of mage freedom, should you speak to him after the events of Redcliffe and made them your allies.
I'm pretty certain from dialogue I've explored in Haven that she does not consider her comfortable position to be any kind of standard way of living for other mages in Circles throughout Thedas. She specifically mentions Kirkwall among those that go beyond simply being poor, when you ask her about what Circle life is like. Her position is not that all mages are as comfortable as she is, but rather that the Circles are simply necessary, using the example of a teen lashing out and accidentally killing his mother with lightning, or a little girl burning her house down because of a bad dream. Vivienne's stance is simply that magic is dangerous and mages need a Circle system to serve as a sanctuary and a way to protect other people. She never uses her own position as an example of how the Circle is a good thing.
She doesn't need to. It is her position which is the basis for her belief about the Circles.
She assumes that mages are dangerous and will always be dangerous despite clear evidence to the contrary (ie the Inquisitor, Dorian, herself, Solus, Fiona). The only reason why mages are dangerous is because no there are no schools for mages to attend to learn how to use magic. If there were schools, mages would learn how to use magic and wouldn't be dangerous. Of all the mages we encounter, the only mages who are dangerous in general are the uneducated mages.
Regardless, her position is simply weak because her argument requires us to agree that increasing the security of nonmages requires locking mages up and that this huge loss of freedom for the mages makes society better off and is thus a moral and just action. Which it isn't.There are other options which would achieve similar results without robbing mages of their freedom. And even if there weren't, she'd still have to prove how increasing the security of one person by denying another person their freedom is a just action, something which she has failed to do.
The EU is generally crap.
Every single one of the 3 main bad guys is completely unbelieveable. Let me name the ways:
1) Being able to survive being decapitated and cut into tiny pieces. That's impossible. You'd be killed and turned into a force ghost according to Kotor 1. While the Force was able to slowly restore inanimate objects in Kotor 1, that process took thousands of years just to restore a star map or human sized droid. And even then, it was a combination of the Force and nanobots. That wasn't even really a big deal since normal droids could also repair themselves even faster without using the Force (provided they hadn't been destroyed).
2) Being able to use the force to destroy an entire planet of force users. That's impossible. The force has never been portrayed as being able to perform feats like that, in fact it has been portrayed in quite the opposite fashion in Kotor 1.
3) Being able to use the Force to destroy the Force. That's impossible. That also implies that the Force is something other than the Force. In the Star Wars episodes 4-6, the Force is portrayed more along the lines of being or existence itself, the thing which composes the universe. Kotor 1 doesn't really dispute that concept. Even episodes 1-3 tend to hold a similar view, but living beings are only able to interact with the higher plane of existence in so far as they have undefinable midichlorians in their bodies. In order for the Force to be destroyable, it would have to be a discrete existence, which doesn't really mesh with how it is portrayed.
Since Disney decided to make The Clone Wars and the Rebels cartoon canon, this here is nothing. They even block laser blasts with fruit on the Rebels show. And Darth Maul survived being chopped in half, and falling down a 200 meter shaft. Reason given: He had much hatred in him.
I keep seeing people saying that Vivienne speaks nonsense, but I don't get how what she says is nonsense at all. What gives?
What she is saying heavily conflicts the world view of the player if you do not agree with her, but nonsense? She do make sense if you approach it with an open mind.
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