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[EmperorSahlertz]

Yeah... I am not gonna sacrifice the greatest and most powerful alliance the Inquisition could ever hope for, just for a few lousy soldiers. Soldiers die in war, at least these didn't die for nothing.

[OdanUrr]

I really liked this quest. Bull always seemed conflicted about the qun since we met him. But the option of either sacrificing his friends or satisfying the qun. I do wish that we had the option to say it's up to you bull

 

Yeah, I feel we needed that option, with our PC telling him we'd back him come what may.

 

I wonder if the alliance with the Qun opens up ops/quests?

[Dave of Canada]

The Qun Alliance gives you a ton of missions on the map in which Tallis goes around assassinating Venatori agents across every nation in Thedas, removing their influence from the leadership or killing their assassins. At the end, you save a ton of people and get a huge payout.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The Qun Alliance gives you a ton of missions on the map in which Tallis goes around assassinating Venatori agents across every nation in Thedas, removing their influence from the leadership or killing their assassins. At the end, you save a ton of people and get a huge payout.

 

But the Venatori and specifically their master will have their arse kicked hard by the Inquisition anyway....

[yhibiki]

Oh man. I saved the Chargers because I really love Krem, but it was tough to justify. I ended up deciding that my inquisitor didn't want anybody around her with divided loyalties, and having Bull become tal-vashoth guaranteed that there was no place for him but in her army.

[Geth Supremacy]

The Qun Alliance gives you a ton of missions on the map in which Tallis goes around assassinating Venatori agents across every nation in Thedas, removing their influence from the leadership or killing their assassins. At the end, you save a ton of people and get a huge payout.

don't tell our secrets to these stupid bas.

 

Let them live as they always do thinking they know everything and the Qun is fail.

[RCSasquatch]

Bull's reactions, if it helps anyone decide:

Spoiler

Talking to Bull after saving the Chargers leads to him saying "Whatever I miss, Whatever I regret... THIS is where I want to be." Speaking to him if the Chargers are sacrificed leads to a depressing cutscene in which he says "I needed this reminder of who I really am."

Tactically, though, Corypheus and the Venatori will get dead either way (one way just takes a little longer).

[Costin_Razvan]

No they wouldn't actually die. and they've weakened both Orlais and Fereldan by a significant amount to the point Tevinter would become dominant.

Tevinter must be countered. The Qunari lack the strength to take on Thedas and alliance with would be useful while dealing with the Vints before you turn on them. Besides the Qun has it's merits along with it's own flaws.

[The Baconer]

The Qun Alliance gives you a ton of missions on the map in which Tallis goes around assassinating Venatori agents across every nation in Thedas, removing their influence from the leadership or killing their assassins. At the end, you save a ton of people and get a huge payout.

 

Tallis?

 

Now I'll never take a Qunari alliance.

[Costin_Razvan]

I admit as much as I favor the alliance refusing to take it because of Tallis is good enough. You don't meet her though, Thank God, but she's the one you work with on the war table.

 

Why in **** did Bioware feel the need to shove that piece of **** down our throats again I do not know. I don't hate Felicia Day, but she Tallis can have her head chopped off.

[KCMeredith]

I didn't save the chargers, two reasons

 

1) I'm not giving up on an alliance with the Qunari for six (?) soldiers, thats just stupid. We're at war, soldiers die, deal with it.

2) Sten is Arishok, I don't want to make Sten angry

[RCSasquatch]

No they wouldn't actually die.

I'm pretty sure that the Inquisition will still hunt and kill any major Venatori leaders and contacts, as well as Corypheus, leaving the cult harmless. Plus, if the targets were really all that dangerous, Leliana would have brought them to the attention of the Inquisition (I mean, she's a world renowned spy and spy master, I doubt that many seriously dangerous targets would just slip past her attention).

and they've weakened both Orlais and Fereldan by a significant amount to the point Tevinter would become dominant.

They would not become dominant. Between Fereldan, Orlais, The Free Marches, Antiva, etc. (including the "weak" Qunari and the very powerful Inquisition) there would still be enough strong major forces to fight against the Imperium if they decided to try to dominate anything.

Besides the Qun has it's merits along with it's own flaws.

I wholeheartedly agree. The idea of always having a set purpose is appealing, but the lack of individuality and free will is a setback for most (though outside the Qun there is always an opportunity to rise if you are determined or smart enough). To me, though, Iron Bull does not really seem the kind who would truly be at his best under the Qun.

I, for one, chose to save the Chargers. Yes, the Qunari would have helped speed up Inquisition operations, but I'd rather have a strong, happy leader (because that's really what your party members are, leaders of the Inquisition) to lead happy troops then a Qunari army. It's a personal decision; do you want a medium-small army of uncommitted troops who might betray you at some point and might not follow instructions from those not of the Qun, or a happy leader and mercenary troop (it's more than just the six soldiers from Bull's inner circle; it's basically a small army)? Both have advantages.

[Dank Rafft]

Only the weak fear change, diversity and a free will. Screw the Qun!

[Sasie]

How anyone can trust the Qunari is beyond me. Gatt tells us everything we need to know about a Qunari alliance when turned down.
You throw away all that you are, all of this? for *them*?"
Quite a bit of contempt there, contempt he just wasn't showing before it was all over. Would anyone honestly trust these people to hold up an agreement in the long term? Even if they would been useful the Qunari simply can't be trusted. Also I imagine an Alliance with the Qunari might backfire on the Inquisition one day considering the rest of the southern nations consider them to be a hostile force.

[Pierce Miller]

Itching for the Qunari invasion to begin, it will be epic.

[Dave of Canada]

Tallis?

 

Now I'll never take a Qunari alliance.

 

Doesn't mean it's Felicia Day considering Tallis is a rank.

[Capone666]

Doesn't mean it's Felicia Day considering Tallis is a rank.

 

DAMNIT 

[Nefla]

I could never leave the chargers behind

[Ryzaki]

welp just did this quest.

 

Couldn't leave the chargers behind. Especially not for qunari.

[The Baconer]

Doesn't mean it's Felicia Day considering Tallis is a rank.

 

That's not a chance I'd ever take.

 

Besides, who is going to be able to challenge the Qunari the most when they invade? The Inquisition would probably be the first target.

[Hazegurl]

Realistically, yes. However, from my character's point of view? I'd rather bring in the Qunari than risk Corypheus winning. In addition, any information the Ben-Hassrath provides can save more lives from non-Qunari than the handful you do by saving the Chargers.

Also you never really keep the Qunari away from Southern Thedas. They have agents everywhere. At least with Bull you had a connection to the Qun and some of their intel. By severing that connection you lose intel on some of the Qun's movements, ensures they will tighten the reigns on future agents, and gain nothing but a bunch of mercs as a reward. Nope, not worth it. RIP Chargers.

[Vernhali]

The Qun Alliance gives you a ton of missions on the map in which Tallis goes around assassinating Venatori agents across every nation in Thedas, removing their influence from the leadership or killing their assassins. At the end, you save a ton of people and get a huge payout.

What exactly do you get as a reward? And in what numbers?

[WolfMirage]

I chose to have Bull betray the Qun. Especially after the scene where we sit to have a drink and there's also Krem in the mix. It would have been one thing if there'd been no choice at all but there was. The Qunari may be strong but I rather save the Chargers

[Dave of Canada]

What exactly do you get as a reward? And in what numbers?

 

War table missions in which you remove Venatori influence and blood magic from courts of all nations and save Denerim from a Venatori assault, though that's all in text. From an in-game perspective, you get rewards from all those missions.

[Shark17676]

How anyone can trust the Qunari is beyond me. Gatt tells us everything we need to know about a Qunari alliance when turned down.
You throw away all that you are, all of this? for *them*?"
Quite a bit of contempt there, contempt he just wasn't showing before it was all over. Would anyone honestly trust these people to hold up an agreement in the long term? Even if they would been useful the Qunari simply can't be trusted. Also I imagine an Alliance with the Qunari might backfire on the Inquisition one day considering the rest of the southern nations consider them to be a hostile force.

 

There are many things you can call the Qunari, but decietful and dishonorable aren't among them.