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#26
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Hawke already sent Corypheus to kingdom come once, doing it a second time wouldn't pose any greater challenge. The moment Hawke got involved the story should have taken a different turn.

 

And that scene was really poorly storyboarded. Nothing looked even remotely dangerous, nor did there appear to be any reason for leaving Hawke behind. It isn't even clear how Hawke was killed in that scene, or if he even was. Too be quite frank that scene would have been a huge disappointment from a lesser developer, coming from Bioware it was even more disappointing. It really makes me think that the decision to kill off Hawke was made almost right before DA:I launched and they just threw something completely random together and called it a day.

 

There were a lot of things in DA:I that made me shake my head, this was one of the worst just in terms of how poorly executed the scene was. The fact that it was a false dichotomy only made it worse.

It's fairly obvious, I think, that at one point Hawke was meant to be the protagonist of DA:I as well as DAII. Simply look at the marketing for DAII: Hawke, unlike the Warden, was a character with a canonical face, a distinctive look and a consistent voice actor. Hawke was to Dragon Age what Shepard was to Mass Effect. It was a marketable character meant to promote brand loyalty in a way that appeals to a more casual audience than the threatening demand of "be whomever you want!" (Note that I don't say this condescendingly; there's nothing at all wrong with a casual audience or enjoying some consistency in one's main character.) Hawke's image was made for sequels, as was his/her story.

 

While DA:O made significant effort to make each Origin a worthwhile experience and an important part of the story, DA:I, by comparison, almost seemed to put it in as an afterthought. Your origin makes little difference in terms of what you will play; you simply choose a race and start the main story. They're very interchangeable. Yes, my Dalish Inquisitor sometimes gets to be all Dalish and stuff, but she also constantly seems to need her native tongue translated for her, educated on who her gods are and commonly refers to things as "elven", like a human would. Humans don't go around and say, "Look at all these human ruins!" Plus, it bothers me just how much she apparently knows about Andraste, as well as human culture and etiquette.

 

The story seems intended for Hawke. Take out the convenient magic terrorist attack that the game currently has, and you have Cassandra bringing Hawke to the Conclave, being questioned ME3-style, then **** hits the fan with Corypheus coming back and suddenly we have the exact same story, only your advisors don't trust you because of your failure in Kirkwall, rather than because, understandably, you're just some random person they've never met before. Then the rest of the game plays out in the same way, only in the Fade you have to decide between a DA:O Warden and your sibling/Stroud. After that? No changes needed.

 

They just needed to distance themselves from DAII, and people understandably wanted their different races back. So, bam! Inquisitor is made.


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I had to choose between Hawke and Alistair, I cried like a b!tch... and now I have to change my canon DAO choices just so that I never have to experience that ever again, lol.

 

Yeah, I'm doing the same; I'm calling my new canon world state Saving Warden Alistair. So uh... sorry, Stroud?



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Have you ever heard the saying "the surest sign of immaturity is the constant endeavour to appear mature"? Perhaps once you gain a few years you will eventually come to realize that maturity is overrated and you too will be able to laugh at how ridiculous and cheesy that scene really is.

Way to make up a saying that doesn't even exist.... 

But hey whatever justifies your behavior, right? I don't know how you were taught as  a child but no amount of years will take away that basic sense of manners never mind maturity. 

 

Also you're right about the argument on the internet. It is pointless. 

Problem is that there's no argument here. That will imply that you have a valid argument to begin with. 


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The singing scene was really, really good. I still get chills when I listen to it. Honestly, it was the main highlight for me as far as the main story goes. Also any time Leliana talks about her dead warden I get really sad and really guilty that I picked the sacrifice ending. Back to DA keep I go!
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Hey, don't sweat it.

 

When it comes to scenes that are intended to be emotional, we're well aware that it won't connect the same way with everyone. I think there's a certain level of cynicism, pretended or otherwise, that seems to go along with this kind of response...but so what? Some people are cynical. Some people just weren't feeling it. Some people weren't in the mood when it happened. Whatever.

 

So long as we know it touched some people (and in this case many people), we're good. Honestly. No need to argue on our behalf--it's too bad they didn't enjoy the scene, but arguing with them isn't going to make them enjoy it more, is it?


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There where many scenes..like the singing one. Dont know why but this got me also in Origins. Then there is the first talk with Alistair talking about my Warden and him and the decision between Hawke and Alistair...and at last the final romance Scene with Solas


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Honestly, it depends on my mood how I view "The Dawn Has Come." The very first time I watched it, it felt uncomfortable and awkward. Other viewings, it seems rather touching, and others still, I find Cullen's singing face absolutely hilarious (see my previous post). Overall, I view it positively, though.


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Oh man. Am I glad I had Stroud and not Alistair. Would've liked to have had Loghain. Would've had no problem sending him after the Teraspider.

Varric's VA makes this. "Where's Hawke?" The way he says it is just heartwrenching. He knows, but he doesn't want to accept it. Incredible work.
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Loghain staying behind. I know a lot of people hate the man but I always really liked him and was extremely happy when he returned....just so Bioware can put a knife in my heart. <_<  First Meredith, now Loghain...Stop it please



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Um, not sure what you mean by "storyboarded scenes" The shots in-game were fine. The animation was iffy but I saw past that. 

It's your opinion and I respect it if if that scene didn't work for you. 

 

That said, after reading the reddit post about how a man stressed and worried about how the scene will work really puts it in perspective in where we have nobodies on here speaking **** because they can. 

By all means, give constructive criticisms but derisively mocking the scene on how you laughed your arse off helps no one . 

Sure I can't stop people from acting like the way they are but the reddit post really puts things in perspective. 

 

EDIT: You're talking about the Hawke scene. I am referring to the scene after Haven. 

lol

EDIT:

Just to be slightly more constructive, but hopefully not enough to validate your damning someone on the internet for not liking a scene in which a group of fictional characters start spontaneously singing, I actually liked it, but I can sure as hell see why it would be laughed at, particularly when Cullen closes his eyes because the song is just taking over him.


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Just to be slightly more constructive, but hopefully not enough to validate your damning someone on the internet for not liking a scene in which a group of fictional characters start spontaneously singing, I actually liked it, but I can sure as hell see why it would be laughed at, particularly when Cullen closes his eyes because the song is just taking over him.

Who's damning anyone? 

I said it clearly that your opinion is your own? 

Please reread before replying.

I stated clearly why I PERSONALLY believe that's its so easy to mock certain scenes until you realize that people aren't just lazy devs but actual people that read what we say. If what we say is simply mockery, I think people should realize that these words cut.

Once again, telling people to stop acting like arses isn't going to change a damn thing but I had to at least show that the person that designed the scene was also worried that he did a terrible job. It puts things into perspective. 

So please... Read my post before posting your accusations.  

As I said once again, the scene isn't perfect. Some of the animation are iffy which made some parts unintentionally hilarious. However the scene was heartfelt and worked well in terms of storytelling. 

My final post on the matter. 



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Yeah, I'm doing the same; I'm calling my new canon world state Saving Warden Alistair. So uh... sorry, Stroud?

Consider the "Loghain is a Grey Warden" Option -- it means your Warden isn't ruling Fereldan, but leaving that SOB to tackle the beastie was actually pretty satisfying. Alistair and Stroud are safe, Hawke is safe so Varric is happy.  And Loghain gets an inglorious off-screen death.



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It's fairly obvious, I think, that at one point Hawke was meant to be the protagonist of DA:I as well as DAII. Simply look at the marketing for DAII: Hawke, unlike the Warden, was a character with a canonical face, a distinctive look and a consistent voice actor. Hawke was to Dragon Age what Shepard was to Mass Effect. It was a marketable character meant to promote brand loyalty in a way that appeals to a more casual audience than the threatening demand of "be whomever you want!" (Note that I don't say this condescendingly; there's nothing at all wrong with a casual audience or enjoying some consistency in one's main character.) Hawke's image was made for sequels, as was his/her story.

 

While DA:O made significant effort to make each Origin a worthwhile experience and an important part of the story, DA:I, by comparison, almost seemed to put it in as an afterthought. Your origin makes little difference in terms of what you will play; you simply choose a race and start the main story. They're very interchangeable. Yes, my Dalish Inquisitor sometimes gets to be all Dalish and stuff, but she also constantly seems to need her native tongue translated for her, educated on who her gods are and commonly refers to things as "elven", like a human would. Humans don't go around and say, "Look at all these human ruins!" Plus, it bothers me just how much she apparently knows about Andraste, as well as human culture and etiquette.

 

The story seems intended for Hawke. Take out the convenient magic terrorist attack that the game currently has, and you have Cassandra bringing Hawke to the Conclave, being questioned ME3-style, then **** hits the fan with Corypheus coming back and suddenly we have the exact same story, only your advisors don't trust you because of your failure in Kirkwall, rather than because, understandably, you're just some random person they've never met before. Then the rest of the game plays out in the same way, only in the Fade you have to decide between a DA:O Warden and your sibling/Stroud. After that? No changes needed.

 

They just needed to distance themselves from DAII, and people understandably wanted their different races back. So, bam! Inquisitor is made.

As I recall, there was an interview with Bioware shortly before DA2 was release in which one of the interviewees said that Hawke would be the most important person in Dragon Age and was intended to be the main character in many subsequent games much like the Mass Effect series.  Combine that with your observations and I'd say you hit the nail on the head.


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Consider the "Loghain is a Grey Warden" Option -- it means your Warden isn't ruling Fereldan, but leaving that SOB to tackle the beastie was actually pretty satisfying. Alistair and Stroud are safe, Hawke is safe so Varric is happy.  And Loghain gets an inglorious off-screen death.

 

Oh, my city elf wouldn't rule anyway, but I'd like her to stay on good terms with Alistair. Even if "she walks a dark path" according to him in Inquisition  <_<



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I saved Loghain over Hawke. I liked Loghain's redemption - he proved to actually be an interesting character. 

 

I got the feels when I had romanced Cassandra but then subsequently was told she was going to become Divine so we were going to have to part. I actually grew very attached to my companions in this game, much moreso than in the prior two.



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The options states "Hawke will LIKELY die", meaning he/she may live. Makes me hope Loghain will live for me, although him dying for the Wardens mistakes and me labeling him a hero is a pretty good ending for him.



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There are several for me. Varric with Bianca or with a lost Hawke is touching, particularly because Varric finds a laught out of everything; not on those cases I guess, poor guy...

 

Morrigan and Flemeth killed me. It was the first time you see Morrigan trully caring and not hiding the fact that she´s scared of loosing the kid.

 

Josie´s romance overall is perhaps the most tender I have seen in the game. Plus the accent, gosh the accent... :)


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The options states "Hawke will LIKELY die", meaning he/she may live. Makes me hope Loghain will live for me, although him dying for the Wardens mistakes and me labeling him a hero is a pretty good ending for him.


If Hawke lives and Stroud/Alistair/Loghain dies, then that makes it a non-choice. They wouldn't give us a choice between "one character dies and no one dies". Either everyone survives it, or no one does. And I don't think any of the wardens stand a slight chance against the Teraspider.

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The scene with Morrigan, Flemeth and Kieran really got me. I typically loathe magical baby stories but this one really got me misty-eyed.

 

The scene after Haven was really good too. I had a giggle at the singing at first but more just because I wasn't expecting it--it was still really well-done and reminded me a lot of the "song sequences" in Lord of the Rings, which I think is sort of what they were going for.

 

Now I'm sitting here getting teary over that darn scene in the OP. I didn't dare leave Hawke behind but I feel like that scene with Varric works better than the "happy end" one :(


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Nothing has come close to making me cry but I found the scene showing Cullen struggling with his addiction and the trauma from what he dealt with at the circle in DAO to be quite real and powerful.  


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Leliana's quest made me cry. Poor girl has gone through so much.


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The scene with Morrigan, Flemeth and Kieran really got me. I typically loathe magical baby stories but this one really got me misty-eyed.

 

The scene after Haven was really good too. I had a giggle at the singing at first but more just because I wasn't expecting it--it was still really well-done and reminded me a lot of the "song sequences" in Lord of the Rings, which I think is sort of what they were going for.

 

Now I'm sitting here getting teary over that darn scene in the OP. I didn't dare leave Hawke behind but I feel like that scene with Varric works better than the "happy end" one :(

Because perhaps you (like me) have seen Morrigan actually caring about the kid because he´s a kid, not a tool. She admits it directly and that´s why the scene was so heartbreaking for me: you finally find that she´s not a megalomaniac monster or a hard nihilist as she thought to be and because of that, she gets the short straw.

 

 

 

Nothing has come close to making me cry but I found the scene showing Cullen struggling with his addiction and the trauma from what he dealt with at the circle in DAO to be quite real and powerful.  

I have met some heroine adicts and the image of the "lyrium kit" put a chill on my spine for obvious reasons.


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Hawke already sent Corypheus to kingdom come once, doing it a second time wouldn't pose any greater challenge. The moment Hawke got involved the story should have taken a different turn.

 

And that scene was really poorly storyboarded. Nothing looked even remotely dangerous, nor did there appear to be any reason for leaving Hawke behind. It isn't even clear how Hawke was killed in that scene, or if he even was. Too be quite frank that scene would have been a huge disappointment from a lesser developer, coming from Bioware it was even more disappointing. It really makes me think that the decision to kill off Hawke was made almost right before DA:I launched and they just threw something completely random together and called it a day.

 

Well, the track record for people who've physically entered the Fade and lived to make it back to the physical world are preeeeetty slim, so I think we're supposed to understand that. It does leave Hawke's (or Alistair's or Stroud's) story open to another source of closure though, so maybe there is more their story?



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I know I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut here

but the wording of 'likley die' on the option, and that you never see the death

Gives me the idea that whoever is left behind survives somehow



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Hey, don't sweat it.

 

When it comes to scenes that are intended to be emotional, we're well aware that it won't connect the same way with everyone. I think there's a certain level of cynicism, pretended or otherwise, that seems to go along with this kind of response...but so what? Some people are cynical. Some people just weren't feeling it. Some people weren't in the mood when it happened. Whatever.

 

So long as we know it touched some people (and in this case many people), we're good. Honestly. No need to argue on our behalf--it's too bad they didn't enjoy the scene, but arguing with them isn't going to make them enjoy it more, is it?

really the game scenes is good but really sorry for this but for my not is sad... i love and enjoy the scene that the user copy in the post.