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[Rifneno]

Because perhaps you (like me) have seen Morrigan actually caring about the kid because he´s a kid, not a tool. She admits it directly and that´s why the scene was so heartbreaking for me: you finally find that she´s not a megalomaniac monster or a hard nihilist as she thought to be and because of that, she gets the short straw.
 
 
 
I have met some heroine adicts and the image of the "lyrium kit" put a chill on my spine for obvious reasons.

Indeed, I found Morrigan's scenes really touching. I had to see them on Youtube unfortunately. My Warden sacrificed himself at the Battle of Denerim and my Inquisitor drank from the pool because I live to deny Morrigan ancient magics. It really changed my opinion of her. She didn't even hesitate to offer her own body to Flemeth if it meant saving her son. I'm going to let her have that son in future playthroughs. I think I'll let her have the well too because it's much funnier.

As for Cullen, having wound up addicted to pain medication myself (bad fibromyalgia), I'm not sure whether I want to see the addiction scenes more or want to avoid them like the plague... =/

[Navoletti]

I know I'm going to sound like a conspiracy nut here

but the wording of 'likley die' on the option, and that you never see the death

Gives me the idea that whoever is left behind survives somehow

 

Hawke is death in the scene of the video and we never see more of him.

[Vox Draco]

I had to choose between Hawke and Alistair,

 

Oh damn, I knew I should have stayed away from the spoiler-section ... so I have to make one of THESE decisions once more? Great...really ... great ... so either sacrifice my Warden's husband? Or my own character-Hawke? Well, first is a no-go .... and there I was already planning to play DA2 again at some point, now that game will give me serious Shepard-vibes it seems, playing a game with a protagonist destined to be killed off ? I hate self-sacrificing stuff ... but alas ... at least Hawke never attached herself to me that much...so I will swallow this and live with it...

 

Maybe it was actually good I prepared my self mentally for that ... and yes...Bioware, listen up: You may have abandoned Shepard like a garbage-hero and moved on, but make DLC-Save-Hawke setting up a new game? Yeah, you'll probably get me with this ...

[Navoletti]

Oh damn, I knew I should have stayed away from the spoiler-section ... so I have to make one of THESE decisions once more? Great...really ... great ... so either sacrifice my Warden's husband? Or my own character-Hawke? Well, first is a no-go .... and there I was already planning to play DA2 again at some point, now that game will give me serious Shepard-vibes it seems, playing a game with a protagonist destined to be killed off ? I hate self-sacrificing stuff ... but alas ... at least Hawke never attached herself to me that much...so I will swallow this and live with it...

 

Maybe it was actually good I prepared my self mentally for that ... and yes...Bioware, listen up: You may have abandoned Shepard like a garbage-hero and moved on, but make DLC-Save-Hawke setting up a new game? Yeah, you'll probably get me with this ...

what you say? pfff he have a chance in the universe od DA and is a fail character,if you see the video hawke is death in the choice and we never see more of him.

[ImprobableCarny]

Because perhaps you (like me) have seen Morrigan actually caring about the kid because he´s a kid, not a tool. She admits it directly and that´s why the scene was so heartbreaking for me: you finally find that she´s not a megalomaniac monster or a hard nihilist as she thought to be and because of that, she gets the short straw.

 

Yeah, that's definitely part of it.

 

Usually I dislike plots like these because they usually take strongly-written, engaging female characters and turn them into little more than a tool for getting the magical chosen baby into the story. Their entire personality and agency tends to take a backseat to that, but I didn't feel that with Morrigan at all. It felt like a really natural character progression rather than just your average hamfisted "lady character must have baby now glrgh blrguh" plotline. It really did flip my expectations of that plotline by having Morrigan pretty much make a point of saying that using babies as tools to further the story--anyone's story--is wrong.

 

Also, very good voice acting helped.

[Statulos]

Indeed, I found Morrigan's scenes really touching. I had to see them on Youtube unfortunately. My Warden sacrificed himself at the Battle of Denerim and my Inquisitor drank from the pool because I live to deny Morrigan ancient magics. It really changed my opinion of her. She didn't even hesitate to offer her own body to Flemeth if it meant saving her son. I'm going to let her have that son in future playthroughs. I think I'll let her have the well too because it's much funnier.

As for Cullen, having wound up addicted to pain medication myself (bad fibromyalgia), I'm not sure whether I want to see the addiction scenes more or want to avoid them like the plague... =/

 

 

When I saw the scene I thought that they were all lucky that my Cousland warden wasn´t there... And I hope the father may get a take on the kid. Damn it, my warden went through the eluvian for two reasons, one is the lady and the other, the kid; so I hope that gets accounted for at some point in the future.

 

Regarding the painkillers, I´m sorry for you buddy; it´s a shitty situation.

The scene resonates on people who have been there or that have loved ones that have for that particular reason. I didn´t find it offensive (Cullen takes it like a pro with a decency that I loved), but I was terrified too.

[Kenshen]

As for Cullen, having wound up addicted to pain medication myself (bad fibromyalgia), I'm not sure whether I want to see the addiction scenes more or want to avoid them like the plague... =/

 

My sister was an addict and that scene did bring back some painful memories but that scene isn't just about his addiction but the torture he endured at the circle in Ferelden.  If you want to avoid it you will know it is coming when you go to visit Cullen and he isn't at his spot but went to talk to Cassandra.  The next time you visit him is the hard one to watch.  However the very next one after that is very rewarding, least for me after I encouraged him to keep up the fight and not fall to temptation. Now that I am thinking about it this scene did bring some tears even if it was long after seeing it.  

[LordParbr]

Well, it didn't make me cry, but I did almost start tearing up when Morrigan was willing to give up everything she's work for to Flemeth for Keiran, without hesitation. Even more my favorite series LI than ever

[RenAdaar]

Glad i killed stroud instead :/

I didn't even hesitate when that option came up no way I was letting hawke die. 

[Statulos]

Yeah, that's definitely part of it.

 

Usually I dislike plots like these because they usually take strongly-written, engaging female characters and turn them into little more than a tool for getting the magical chosen baby into the story. Their entire personality and agency tends to take a backseat to that, but I didn't feel that with Morrigan at all. It felt like a really natural character progression rather than just your average hamfisted "lady character must have baby now glrgh blrguh" plotline. It really did flip my expectations of that plotline by having Morrigan pretty much make a point of saying that using babies as tools to further the story--anyone's story--is wrong.

 

Also, very good voice acting helped.

I really liked the fact that Bioware explored Morrigan´s issues with attachment, care and love further. We got a good hint in Origins and now it has come to the point that she did a very freudian move on "rejecting the mother". The way I see Kieran is more than just a vessel, he´s the embodiment of everything Morrigan wanted for herslef and never had, just like the mirror you give her in Origins.

 

It´s a bit sad that the "I can do better than you" narrative gets a bit broken and she becomes powerless, but at the same time, her willingnes to sacrifice everything for a loved one really redeemed her. I knew it was there in Origins, I saw it even more in Witch Hunt and it´s right there. I really hope that the Warden in love with her I imported can keep up with that commitment.

[Vox Draco]

what you say? pfff he have a chance in the universe od DA and is a fail character,if you see the video hawke is death in the choice and we never see more of him.

 

I'll wait and see. Fail character? Nah, not really. She at least had a much more personal story than any other char in DA so far ... deserved a not-so-rushed game to shine though ..

 

yet the more I have to think of it: As long as my Warden doesn't suffer: Great. And as my Inquistor is greatly growing on me I also am glad I do not have to make a stupid sacrifice for HER! 2 out of three with Hawke biting the dust ? I will live with that it seems

 

Still apity though we can't just use Morrigan as a substitute? I always wantd to get rid of her ... but I'll avoid further spoilers concerning her fate in this thread (Hopefully its finally death or something)

[LordParbr]

I didn't even hesitate when that option came up no way I was letting hawke die. 

For me, it just made more sense for Stroud to sacrifice himself. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what Wardens sign up for. Plus, Hawke's logic made no sense. Rebuilding isn't what Wardens do, Hawke... Stroud's going to die in 10-15 years... You likely aren't

[Aesir26]

 

 

While DA:O made significant effort to make each Origin a worthwhile experience and an important part of the story, DA:I, by comparison, almost seemed to put it in as an afterthought. Your origin makes little difference in terms of what you will play; you simply choose a race and start the main story. They're very interchangeable. Yes, my Dalish Inquisitor sometimes gets to be all Dalish and stuff, but she also constantly seems to need her native tongue translated for her, educated on who her gods are and commonly refers to things as "elven", like a human would. Humans don't go around and say, "Look at all these human ruins!" Plus, it bothers me just how much she apparently knows about Andraste, as well as human culture and etiquette.

 

 

I can't say that I really saw an impact of race or culture outside of the origin stories or in Ostagar. It's entirely possible that I just don't remember it nearly as well as I remember things like the voiced protagonist's dialogue in DA2 or DA:I so I could be wrong on that front.

 

However, I completely agree in regards to the Dalish Inquisitor. I loved it when I got to indulge in some of the Dalish related dialogue but it really did give me a "What the hell?" moment whenever my Inquisitor had to have his own pantheon explained and his own language translated for him, stuff that he would likely have been taught as a small child. I mean, I think I can understand why it might be the case with written elvish since Tamlen seemed surprised when a piece of written elvish popped up in the Dalish origin story so I don't know if it's something that would be frequently found.

[RenAdaar]

For me, it just made more sense for Stroud to sacrifice himself. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what Wardens sign up for. Plus, Hawke's logic made no sense. Rebuilding isn't what Wardens do, Hawke... Stroud's going to die in 10-15 years... You likely aren't

Yeah thats why in every play through no matter who the warden is I will still choose them.

[Vormaerin]

Especially since Alistair, Stroud, and Loghain are 10+ years into their Warden careers.  Loghain in particular is getting up there in years.

[LordParbr]

Nothing made me cry, but the "The Dawn Will Come" scene before the journey to Skyhold gave me major goose bumps.

Definitely. When Leliana started singing...
 

 

Yeah thats why in every play through no matter who the warden is I will still choose them.

I figured "The Warden" was interchangeable, since he's rarely reffered to as "Stroud." Didn't think it would be Alistair or Loghain, though

[themikefest]

The only scene that made me sad or at least not happy was killing my first dragon. It didn't get any easier since I've killed 8 more and now I'm hunting for the tenth one.

[littlesoprano1]

gOOD GOD THIS ONE THIS ONE BY FAR  ((solas spoilers ahead))

Spoiler

TAKE MY VALLASLIN, TOUCH MY BUTT, THEN DUMP ME?!  bioware i demand compensation for my emotional trauma.

[SabreTastic]

Giving up Hawke like that, after everything. I've played that same DA2 game several times with the same Hawke making similar choices (until I figured out Hawke couldn't 'save' Anders without doing things I felt were completely out of character for him. Silly me. xD ). But when it came down to it, it didn't matter who the other Warden was. Though if I hadn't seen Stroud in the trailers, I'dve assumed his 'Warden Friend' would've been Nathaniel. Very sorry to have not heard a peep from that man in this installment. At the end of the day, I bought into Hawke's assertion that Corypheus was his problem and he wanted to take responsibility. That's a lot of what the DA2 story was for me--holding the right people accountable and owning up to your consequences. Hawke didn't do a very good job of that all the time, but s/he wasn't the only one.

 

Cullen's scenes were great, but I was expecting them to the point that I would've been disappointed if they hadn't addressed his situation.

 

I've been rather caught off-guard by Dorian's antics. I expected a man who was confident and charming--which I think he is--but he often comes across to me as showing his vulnerabilities more than I'd thought. That business with his family hurt. I liked listening to him talk about Alexius and Felix and how he cared for them as people. And there was another scene that I just got last night on my second playthrough (which I think might be romance related!) where he's upset about this amulet, but he flat out refused Adaar's help. "You have too many people asking you for everything under the sun. I won't be one of them." And I was so thrilled that on my fem!Trevelyan, there was the opportunity to talk about the flirting--and I didn't think it was at all odd that Cullen never spoke of it until I got a jealousy flag from Cassandra on my Adaar. He was exactly the sort of friend my Trevelyan needed and easily my favorite on the team.

 

The Chargers and Solas also 'hit me in the feels' a couple of times. Krem is such a badass. Solas is a bag of cats--I'm thrilled he doesn't care for my Adaar. More reason to bench him this go-round. Don't think I dislike him exactly, he was certainly shifty the whole time. But really...I need a break from the guy. Haha.

[LolaLei]

Oh damn, I knew I should have stayed away from the spoiler-section ... so I have to make one of THESE decisions once more? Great...really ... great ... so either sacrifice my Warden's husband? Or my own character-Hawke? Well, first is a no-go .... and there I was already planning to play DA2 again at some point, now that game will give me serious Shepard-vibes it seems, playing a game with a protagonist destined to be killed off ? I hate self-sacrificing stuff ... but alas ... at least Hawke never attached herself to me that much...so I will swallow this and live with it...

 

Maybe it was actually good I prepared my self mentally for that ... and yes...Bioware, listen up: You may have abandoned Shepard like a garbage-hero and moved on, but make DLC-Save-Hawke setting up a new game? Yeah, you'll probably get me with this ...

 

If you married him (if he's King) then he won't be there, Stroud will be instead. If, however you kept him as a Grey Warden then yeah, you've got a difficult choice to make. In my case my Warden was an Amell who romanced Alistair and both stayed together in the Wardens, since I can't stand to see either Alistair or my Hawke die I've had to change my canon DAO save to make Alistair King, and turn my Amell into a Cousland to marry him because I don't like that whole hardening/mistress thing. It's a shame, but rather that than lose either of them.

 

*Edit* Not that the note from your Warden if he's King improves matters much, but it's better than the alternative.

[LolaLei]

gOOD GOD THIS ONE THIS ONE BY FAR  ((solas spoilers ahead))

Spoiler

TAKE MY VALLASLIN, TOUCH MY BUTT, THEN DUMP ME?!  bioware i demand compensation for my emotional trauma.

 

Damn, that's harsh as hell!

[Sosipaasnar]

Why did varric say "Carver should be told"? Carver should be dead when you played a male hawke^^

[zambixi]

gOOD GOD THIS ONE THIS ONE BY FAR  ((solas spoilers ahead))

Spoiler

TAKE MY VALLASLIN, TOUCH MY BUTT, THEN DUMP ME?!  bioware i demand compensation for my emotional trauma.

 

The onion ninjas definitely got me for this. I re-loaded and tried the other options just to twist the knife a little; the "angry" option for the last choice is particularly heartbreaking.

 

And that Varric scene...I watched it on YouTube and I can't even bring myself to load an Alistar warden playthrough because of it.

[SabreTastic]

Why did varric say "Carver should be told"? Carver should be dead when you played a male hawke^^

It's class-based, not gender-based. That Hawke must've been a mage.