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[Bann Duncan]

Is there any lore about distant relations between the families? We know from Dorian that the Trevelyans started from a Tevinter cadet branch that settled in the Marches. Given the relative proximity to Ferelden though, I was curious.

[daveliam]

I kind of hope not.  I don't need my heroes to all be related to each other.  It's why I never transferred my mage Warden into DA 2. 

[Former_Fiend]

There's nothing official that I'm aware of and I doubt that's the intention - the Cadash family connection seems to be the intented easter egg this time around.

 

That being said, I doubt they'll ever put anything in the game explicitly denying it, either, so if you want to head-canon it, go right ahead.

[Master Race]

While i doubt Trevelyans and Couslands are related, they might share close relations as in friendship since both leaders of Highever and Ostwick are called Teryns. Or at least it might connect Ostwick with Ferelden a bit more.

[Bann Duncan]

I didn't mean in terms of anything close enough to make the heroes childhood friends or something. I've always found it curious how similar Marcher culture seems to be to Fereldan.

[Iadro]

I agree re: the Teyrn connection. It is entirely likely in my mind that the ruling family of Ostwick have cousins who are part of Ferelden's nobility. Of course, such a connection is also not likely to be made explicit, as the powers-that-be in Ferelden seem to be nincompoops when it comes to foreign relations. (Seriously Awakenings!Anora/Alistair? All foreign wardens MUST come from Orlais? One would think that it was hardly a generation ago that the Orlesians have shown they are no friend to Fereldens. Why Weisshaupt insists on foreign wardens from Orlais instead of say, the Free Marches boggles the mind)  

 

Also, Alistair's disastrous "meeting" with Meredith in DA2 comes to mind. Why would the monarch HIMSELF go...?  

[Br3admax]

I agree re: the Teyrn connection. It is entirely likely in my mind that the ruling family of Ostwick have cousins who are part of Ferelden's nobility. Of course, such a connection is also not likely to be made explicit, as the powers-that-be in Ferelden seem to be nincompoops when it comes to foreign relations. (Seriously Awakenings!Anora/Alistair? All foreign wardens MUST come from Orlais? One would think that it was hardly a generation ago that the Orlesians have shown they are no friend to Fereldens. Why Weisshaupt insists on foreign wardens from Orlais instead of say, the Free Marches boggles the mind)  

 

Also, Alistair's disastrous "meeting" with Meredith in DA2 comes to mind. Why would the monarch HIMSELF go...?  

Because the monarch himself is harboring apostates that belong to her Circle. He also came to talk to Hawke, a major figure that is a native of his country.The Marchers also don't like Fereldans. No one does. It wouldn't be any better. 

[Lulupab]

Because the monarch himself is harboring apostates that belong to her Circle. He also came to talk to Hawke, a major figure that is a native of his country.The Marchers also don't like Fereldans. No one does. It wouldn't be any better.

Marchers don't like anyone, that's why the place is a dump.

[Br3admax]

Then pray tell why Ferelden is a dump? 

[Tarvesh]

I personally loved the familial connection between a human Mage Warden and Mage Hawke. I thought that made it sort of like 'destined for greatness' sort of vibe.

That's also why I chose to make my inquisitor a Mage. He was still a noble even if he lived in the Circle. And I chose to tell Josephine that my character was able to visit his family from time to time and on holidays. So having noble cousins in Ferelden with one in the Circle Tower there is great head canon for me.

[Lulupab]

Then pray tell why Ferelden is a dump? 

 

Marchers even hate each other and only unite when face common enemy, although practically its only Starkhaven now, others are mere small city states such as Ostwick.

 

Ferelden on the other hand is quite united and the legacy of dragon kings is still standing. Its condition is quite good given south is in turmoil. I know how much you hate that place but you need to deal with it.

[Br3admax]

I don't hate Ferelden. It's DA Fantasy!England. Doesn't stop it from being a dump, and pretty much everyone in Thedas agrees. You need to deal with that. 

[Iadro]

Because the monarch himself is harboring apostates that belong to her Circle. He also came to talk to Hawke, a major figure that is a native of his country.The Marchers also don't like Fereldans. No one does. It wouldn't be any better. 

Pardon me If I'm mistaken, but I believe that the moment any hypothetical apostates cross the border into Ferelden soil, they are no longer under the jurisdiction of a foreign Chantry authority. By all means Knight-Commander Gregoir (or whomever is in charge of Kinloch Hold at the time) should be informed, as well as the Grand Cleric of Ferelden. However, Meredith should not have the power nor the standing to call on the reigning monarch of Ferelden to come to her. I'm not necessarily a fan of Alistair on the throne, but the fact that Meredith, herself an unlawful usurper of the Kirkwall throne (when she beheaded Viscount Threnhold and held onto her position by sheer power of her Templars) speaks to Alistair in that fashion just grinds my gears. IMO the sort of behaviour Meredith exhibits is the sort that starts international incidents. The only fact that spares her is that Alistair is so hirlariously bad at politics.

 

Now, if the Crown of Ferelden had done the sensible thing and ignored her altogether, or had a rep. of their Grand Cleric meet Meredith in a Chantry setting, or sent a noble who actually HAS political chops, I might have a higher opinion of Ferelden's foreign relations.   

 

EDIT 'cause I forgot something. Re: Marchers not liking Fereldens. You got me there. No one *likes* the Dog Lords. But anything's better than sending people that belonged to a nation that systematically beat down and oppressed the native population for 78 years. Even if these Orlesians had the best of intentions, any third party could see that the distrust and pig-headedness of the situation makes it a keg waiting to explode.

[Lulupab]

I don't hate Ferelden. It's DA Fantasy!England. Doesn't stop it from being a dump, and pretty much everyone in Thedas agrees. You need to deal with that. 

 

Poor sense of fashion does not make a place Dump, disaster every ten years however does. Yep Free Marches, half the historic battles of Thedas is fought there, mage-Templar was has started there, it was center of slavery, circle of Starkhaven went boom, a blight tormented free marches for almost 50 years etc etc... Just refer to WOT. This is the very definition of DUMP. You are among the unluckiest if you are born in Free Marches.

[Master Race]

Figure i should mention Dorian ends up telling you the Trevelyans are related to his Tevinter family, actually starting off as a cadet branch of said Tevinter family. This means while Ostwick might have ties with Ferelden/Couslands i don't think the Trevelyans do.

[Br3admax]

Figure i should mention Dorian ends up telling you the Trevelyans are related to his Tevinter family, actually starting off as a cadet branch of said Tevinter family. This means while Ostiwick might have ties with Ferelden/Couslands i don't think the Trevelyans do.

Hence the heraldry. 

 

Poor sense of fashion does not make a place Dump, disaster every ten years however does. Yep Free Marches, half the historic battles of Thedas is fought there, mage-Templar was has started there, it was center of slavery, circle of Starkhaven went boom, a blight tormented free marches for almost 50 years etc etc... Just refer to WOT. This is the very definition of DUMP. You are among the unluckiest if you are born in Free Marches.

Okay. How does that stop Ferelden from being a dump? Just because the Free Marches are also a dump? If that's your reasoning, you really aren't getting anywhere. Where as Ferelden has been going through near constant war for almost an age. So yeah. 

[Zered]

We Marchers are better then some dog lords or Orlasian pantsies

[Lulupab]

Okay. How does that stop Ferelden from being a dump? Just because the Free Marches are also a dump? If that's your reasoning, you really aren't getting anywhere. Where as Ferelden has been going through near constant war for almost an age. So yeah. 

 

People are kept happy, they are quite free in comparison to other nations and its the closest example to Democracy in Thedas. Its not any less Dump than Orlais, who have lost most of its battles in the last 100 years. Current Ferelden is better than Orlais. Orlais has fought more wars which by your definition makes it a bigger dump.

 

I hope you know what Dump means because you indicate otherwise. Ferelden is not even close to an unpleasant or dreary place. The biggest flaw of Ferelden is the smell of wet dogs and that's about it. 

[Br3admax]

Lulu, stop writing paragraphs when, "My opinion is greater than everyone else's, especially the people who actually live in Thedas." is a lot shorter to write. It would you so much time and effort. 

[Lulupab]

Lulu, stop writing paragraphs when, "My opinion is greater than everyone else's, especially the people who actually live in Thedas." is a lot shorter to write. It would you so much time and effort. 

 

People who live in Thedas have never had any better argument than wet dogs to oppose Ferelden.

 

When truth hurts people usually start to babble. Everyone who are a regular know you don't like Ferelden so say that phrase out loud and think about it. For example recently I remember your excitement overt he fact that Gaspard will invade Ferelden. Saying it out loud would save so much time and effort for you too.

[Steelcan]

People who live in Thedas have never had any better argument than wet dogs to oppose Ferelden.

 

When truth hurts people usually start to babble. Everyone who are a regular know you don't like Ferelden so say that phrase out loud and think about it. For example recently I remember your excitement overt he fact that Gaspard will invade Ferelden. Saying it out loud would save so much time and effort for you too.

gotta love it when you can convince him not to, best of both worlds

[Iadro]

I do hope there is an option in the game to say that the Trevelyan Inquisitor hopes to return home after the unpleasantness with the demons is sorted out. Ostwick is beset on all sides by enemies, and the fact that throughout the game he/she learns that the Ben-Hassrath have penetrated deeply into Orlais is something that should be reported to the Teyrn. 

[Bann Duncan]

I do hope there is an option in the game to say that the Trevelyan Inquisitor hopes to return home after the unpleasantness with the demons is sorted out. Ostwick is beset on all sides by enemies, and the fact that throughout the game he/she learns that the Ben-Hassrath have penetrated deeply into Orlais is something that should be reported to the Teyrn. 

 

I'm pretty sure there's a conversation (possibly with Josephine, but I don't quite recall) where the Inquisitor is asked what he/she would like to do after and returning home is an option.

[Iadro]

Thank you, Bann Duncan! That is exactly what I was hoping for! I was disappointed that my Cousland *apparently* imbibed too many of Bodahn's clearance potions and decided up and leave Fereldan (really, the only place he loves and would call home), and without even leaving an heir and a spare in the homeland, but here's hoping Trevelyan can help his homeland for the better. 

[Br3admax]

People who live in Thedas have never had any better argument than wet dogs to oppose Ferelden.

 

When truth hurts people usually start to babble. Everyone who are a regular know you don't like Ferelden so say that phrase out loud and think about it. For example recently I remember your excitement overt he fact that Gaspard will invade Ferelden. Saying it out loud would save so much time and effort for you too.

"Everyone knows you don't like Ferelden."

"I like Ferelden."

"Everyone knows you don't."

 

Look at this, now you're telling me your opinion of what my opinion is is greater than my knowledge of what my opinion is. Aren't you just precious?