You just tried to convince me of my hate for Ferelden and when I called you out on it, you started repeating yourself, with nothing to back it up but your opinion. Try harder.
You do realise that stuff still happens in Ferelden yes? It's just Fereldans doing it to themselves.
I really don't think that Alistair was summoned by Meredith. I think he would have told her where to get off. He was in Kirkwall (possibly having passed through Orlais just to say howdy) on other business and wanted to talk to Hawke. Meredith got there first. And as to starting an international incident - that's where diplomacy comes in. Alistair and Teagan are alone in the Viscount's keep which is now patrolled by Meredith's templars. Meredith was behaving like a loony and I'm thinking Alistair was simply bemused by her behaviour. Sometimes discretion really is the better part of valour.
Well said. Although now I am puzzled as to why Alistair and his dodgy "sort-of" uncle Teagan were there with no guards, entourage, or anything befitting a monarch of a sovereign nation! If Meredith had a hint of sense, meeting foreign dignitaries would have taken place over a sensible dinner, without gawkers, in the Viscount's Keep. The fact that Alistair agrees to hash it out in public does not speak well of his competency. And I still am shaking my head that the monarch HIMSELF decided to travel to Kirkwall given that I'm pretty sure every head of state in Thedas is aware of Meredith's... Meredith-ness. Get thee to an Ambassador's Meeting in Denerim, Alistair!
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While it's true that there are signs of abuse (no country is truly exempt from this), it's my understanding, and codexes point to this, that nobles don't have the same immunity that nobles in other countries do. There's not really a comparison. With Fereldens in charge, at least they care about the land they are ruling. It's theirs. The Orlesians won't have anywhere near the same respect. They will exploit the 'barbaric nation', and call it enlightenment.
I think we all can agree Par Vollen is the best.
Guys,GUYS! We can argue about which country is better than which. BUT can't we just calm down and agree that Kirkwall sucks? 
@Br3adMax
While it's true that there are signs of abuse (no country is truly exempt from this), it's my understanding, and codexes point to this, that nobles don't have the same immunity that nobles in other countries do. There's not really a comparison. With Fereldens in charge, at least they care about the land they are ruling. It's theirs. The Orlesians won't have anywhere near the same respect. They will exploit the 'barbaric nation', and call it enlightenment.
Howe. Howe did most of his more heinous acts before the game even starts.
I agree re: the Teyrn connection. It is entirely likely in my mind that the ruling family of Ostwick have cousins who are part of Ferelden's nobility. Of course, such a connection is also not likely to be made explicit, as the powers-that-be in Ferelden seem to be nincompoops when it comes to foreign relations. (Seriously Awakenings!Anora/Alistair? All foreign wardens MUST come from Orlais? One would think that it was hardly a generation ago that the Orlesians have shown they are no friend to Fereldens. Why Weisshaupt insists on foreign wardens from Orlais instead of say, the Free Marches boggles the mind)
Also, Alistair's disastrous "meeting" with Meredith in DA2 comes to mind. Why would the monarch HIMSELF go...?
Nah the worst one was Alistair's "meeting" with Aurelian Titus in the comic books
Guy decides to go to Tevinter himself and then in a room packed full of Tevinter Magisters decides to Annonce his Kingly prescence. But nah why would they possibly get the idea of imprisoning and ransoming him
Howe. Howe did most of his more heinous acts before the game even starts.
Yeah, but Howe was an example of Stupid Evil. I mean, he didn't even try to capture Eleanor Cousland (or, if applicable, her lovely daughter) in order to produce a forced marriage to one of his children. (Or himself. Ew.) Such a coerced union would have legitimized his takeover of Highever, but no... "the last thing your father saw was your mother kissing my boot," indeed. If Howe hadn't been consumed by rampant sadism, he could have been much more effective. So, IMO, Howe is a fringe element. All the other Ferelden nobles hate Howe anyway, and the Warden is never taken to task for killing him (other than by Loghain, and he is alone in his accusal), where one would assume given the pseudo-medieval setting raising a hand against one's lord is a crime of treason most foul.
Every single person hates how? Did you play Awakening? Even with a Ferelden born Warden, they most certainly hold resentment. Howe is not really that uncommon of an example of Ferelden nobility.
In addition, Howe's indiscriminate attack on Castle Highever not only killed Lady Landra, wife of another Bann, her son Dairren, the Bann's heir, and Oriana and Oren Cousland, wife and son of the heir-apparent Fergus. Oriana, according to lore, comes from a powerful and wealthy family of Antivan merchant princes. Fergus' marriage to her must have included trade terms between them. Fergus was the heir of Highever, and when he would take the mantle of Teyrn he would be the equivalent of a Prince. And Howe slaughters both her and her little child.
Word must have reached Antiva after the attack, as Ferelden is a country of dog lords and I doubt Oriana's family would have felt she was completely safe.
Perhaps it is fortunate the Warden got to Howe first.
Every single person hates how? Did you play Awakening? Even with a Ferelden born Warden, they most certainly hold resentment. Howe is not really that uncommon of an example of Ferelden nobility.
Howe played favourites, certainly, as can be seen in Bann Esmerelle's conspiracy. But the Amarathine contingent is a small number, small enough to be eradicated in one failed attack on the W-C. The truly great nobles of Ferelden, ie., the ones in attendence at the Landsmeet, hardly seem to care.
EDIT: Re: "Every single person hates Howe." I recall writing "all the other Ferelden nobles." But I did disregard the Amarathine conspiracy, which are not even all of the Amaranthine nobles themselves. And who says they share his views on anything? He could have just given them tax breaks or something of that matter.
Howe played favourites, certainly, as can be seen in Bann Esmerelle's conspiracy. But the Amarathine contingent is a small number, small enough to be eradicated in one failed attack on the W-C. The truly great nobles of Ferelden, ie., the ones in attendence at the Landsmeet, hardly seem to care.
Source? Nothing in game says Howe was a minority or even hated outside of the people he actively worked against, which is a lot mind you, but nowhere near significant enough to brand every noble in Ferelden.
EDIT: Re: "Every single person hates Howe." I recall writing "all the other Ferelden nobles."
Except, that's not true?
I'm a Ferelden fanboy I can admit their **** is ****ed up. Still waiting on that Alistair/Anora golden age...
Still the best human warriors in Thedas though.
Thats Warden/Anora, no golden age is mentioned with Alistair/Anora
Best human warriors in Thedas according to the lore are from The Anderfels
Their nobles...... Noble=Inbred. I'm pretty sure every noble family in Thedas is related in one way or another.
Source? Nothing in game says Howe was a minority or even hated outside of the people he actively worked against, which is a lot mind you, but nowhere near significant enough to brand every noble in Ferelden.
Except, that's not true?
All right, then why does no-one bring up Howe's death at the Landsmeet? The Warden is not a noble (Cousland has yet to be recognized in the Landsmeet). You'd think Loghain bringing it up would have provoked a round of attacks against the W-C. There is grousing against Howe in the Gnawed Noble, where Bryland and Alftanna are discussing his takeover of Highever and Denerim. It is not difficult to extrapolate that the nobility fears Loghain is using Howe to eliminate his opposition in the Landsmeet. "And he'd do it too, the low-born commoner!"
Once again, raising a hand to one's lord is a crime of high treason in medieval societies of that sort. I cannot see it being excused in any circumstance (for the nobles would band together to preserve their position, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent to commoners) unless Howe was truly, truly disliked.
Edit for spelling.
Ferelden and the Free marches have always had close ties to eachother, but the Trevelyans and the Couslands are not related.
All right, then why does no-one bring up Howe's death at the Landsmeet? The Warden is not a noble (Cousland has yet to be recognized in the Landsmeet). You'd think Loghain bringing it up would have provoked a round of attacks against the W-C. There is grousing against Howe in the Gnawed Noble, where Bryland and Alftanna are discussing his takeover of Highever and Denerim. It is not difficult to extrapolate that the nobility fears Loghain is using Howe to eliminate his opposition in the Landsmeet. "And he'd do it too, the low-born commoner!"
Because Loghain does it for them? Then they all gasp? A lot of powerful people hated Howe. A lot didn't. That's usually how these things go.
Once again, raising a hand to one's lord is a crime of high treason in medieval societies of that sort. I cannot see it being excused in any circumstance (for the nobles would band together to preserve their position, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent to commoners) unless Howe was truly, truly disliked.
M'kay. Considering that's not how nobility works in Ferelden, that really doesn't matter.
Yes, Howe. Howe is something of an outlier to me. I'm thinking the average 'evil' noble as somewhere around Vaughans level. Even so, I'd rather deal with the Howes and Kendalls then deal with a whole new foreign elite who only care about bleeding the country dry.
Hence the heraldry.
Okay. How does that stop Ferelden from being a dump? Just because the Free Marches are also a dump? If that's your reasoning, you really aren't getting anywhere. Where as Ferelden has been going through near constant war for almost an age. So yeah.
What's the Trevelyan heraldry? I can't seem to find pictures of it.
What's the Trevelyan heraldry? I can't seem to find pictures of it.
On dragonage.com. It might not be the real heraldry, it just stood out to a lot of people.
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