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[PurePazaak]

One thing I am slightly confused about. I genuinely believe Solas' persona in the game was genuine, and not a farce put on to hide his true nature. I also believe that what he says about Fen'Harel is true and that the Dalish have misinterpreted facts and that he truly was the god of rebellion and when he sealed away the other gods, he did so for the good of the elves in order to overthrow a corrupt, slave-driven empire. However, reading The Masked Empire and hearing Felassan's stories about Fen'Harel has left me confused. If Felassan truly was an ancient elf from the time of Arlathan, like Solas, then are his stories truthful, from that time? They still make out the Dread Wolf to be a trickster with a 'be careful what you wish for' vibe about him that seem to match the current Dalish legends about him. So I just wasn't sure if those tales were true or just legends, I mean Felassan should be one of the few who knows the truth about Fen'Harel, right?

Also, along those lines, when did Solas awaken? I take it that it was not long ago, as he was weak from centuries long uthenera and couldn't use his orb. Was it when the eluvians were reactivated in TME? If so, then he couldn't be Felassan's master/murderer, right? It had to be someone else, maybe Mythal/Flemeth? Also, I assume Solas learned all about the state of the world while exploring the Fade during his slumber, right. That's when he learned about the circle and the state of the Dalish, right? I forget how long it has been since the Eluvians were activated and the Breach occuring, if that is when he awoke? I assume he's had enough time to seek out some Dalish clans and attempt to make contact with them. So he would have seen the loss of his culture and the distorted views and beliefs of the Dalish while sleeping, unable to do anything about it. Or did he only just learn all this since waking up?

Thanks for clearing anything you can up. Solas/Fen'Harel is seriously now my favourite character in the DA series/lore. I'm doubly shocked at all these revelations considering I romanced him. I'd love to see where this goes in future DLC/expansion though, and my poor Lavellan needs some closure. Although seriously, best romance ever. Love the whole ancient elven god falling in love with a mortal who represents the fall of his people. Also, being a mage and the First to her clan, the added irony of being the one to protect her clan from the Dread Wolf, only to fall in love with him is pure fairytale gold. The old Grimm doesn't-end-well kind

[Reznore57]

Solas , even if he mostly appears nice (well depending on your choice) is someone who will still crush his ennemies , and do (almost) anything to reach his goal.

First he says himself when he was younger , he was different .

Then in a banter , he gives advice to Sera about her Red Jenny group.

It's quite cold , he tells her to use people like tools more or less , and once they serve their purpose , in this case he talks about rebels in general , set them aside (I assume killing them if you have to ) and put more responsible people in charge.

 

He also enjoy the politics of the Halamshiral ball , with the backstabbing and all.

It doesn't mean he's a bloodthirsty tyrant , it seems like if you can avoid casualties and reach your end goal , it's cool for him.

But if people have to die for what he believes is right , then fine.(when he says if spirits lived in Thedas , some people would die , and it's ok because it's the natural order and it happens to careless folks.)

 

Anyway about the Masked Empire , I guess Solas was about to wake up to change things for the "People" (whatever that's supposed to mean) and he needed an Eluvian to achieve that.

So he send a lackey to do it , Felassan chose to give a chance to the current elves (and not the "People" Solas wants to save, I don't believe they are the same) so Solas killed him.

It seems Solas wasn't awake for a long time , he really isn't all that familliar with current affair, and he mostly saw the world through the Fade , and became BFF with spirits (he actually like spirits way more than mortals)

 

Anyway I adore Solas but trusting him and thinking everything he says is true isn't the way to go.(he claims OMFG Walking the Fade I've never imagined such a thing , later he tells Dorian something like "Dude , the magisters were big babies who didn't achieve anything , elves walked the fade ")

He's excited about the idea of the veil disappearing , I think what bugged him is Corypheus ran away with his orb and gain too much power.Also his precious spirits are pulled through the rifts and turned to demons.

I suppose our dear "Solas" is now on his way to restore something only him wants , something he has lost .

I think he can't accept how much the world has changed , and it was probably his doing.

[Arijharn]

IIRC, Devs (and I'm probably vaguely recollecting word-of-Gaider) have been pretty upfront about declaring an intent not to resolve the question of the Maker's existence... and I expect the same could be said of Andraste's divinity. The ambiguity of DA religion (and therefore the demand for real faith/doubt on the part of the characters) is one of the most compelling aspects of the IP, really. It's not unique for the genre, but it isn't exactly common... and it enriches a number of plots and characters we've encountered through all 3 games. 

Yeah. Personally I always figured the Tevinter Imperium was right and she was actually a mage.

 

I also think the part of the chant which reads:

"magic is made to serve man, and not to rule him." has been taken grossly out of context by the adherents of the Sunburst throne. For one, magic is not a man, it's a force of nature for want of a better term. It doesn't say: "A mage is to serve man, and not to rule him", it's pretty explicitly magic. To me, that's just sort of a cautionary tale not to let the power magic gives go to your head, but I may be in the complete minority on that one. 

 

As to the Dread Wolf, Solas seriously sort of foreshadows his actions immediately post Corey fight with all of his talk about not blaming you etc, etc. 

[Lianaar]

There is a conversation, where he claims he tried to step into contact with the Dalish, but he was met with refusal and lack of understanding. He expresses his surprise how I see him differently then others of the people. I don't recall exact wording.

[Sideshow Jed]

I'm still trying to work out how this ties in to the end of The Masked Empire.

 

Felassan betrayed his master by not giving him the key to the eluvians and was apparently killed. At first I thought that it was the big bad of DA:I, but his last line to his killer "She [Briala] reminds me of you" leads me to think that it may actually have been Solas he spoke to in the fade.

 

 

We know two of the old elven gods are active. Why would you assume only two of the old elven gods are active?

[MoonDrummer]

We know two of the old elven gods are active. Why would you assume only two of the old elven gods are active?

From what I have gathered solas imprisoned them all, they seem quite warlike according to abellas so probably would have attacked humanity if they were active.

[Lulumi_Lumi]

One thing I find a bit confusing about Solas is how he contradict himself when it comes to elves. Through the game you almost always gain approval from him when you stand for elves (for example when you are first dubbed inquisitor) not to mention the ending where he says his people (elves) need him. At the same time after the ball he talks about how he doesn't see himself as an elf and that they aren't anything he is connected to.

 

I understand that he believe you are your own person regardless of race and that your decisions are your own yet he also have this "elven glory" attitude about him.

[Tevinter Soldier]

One thing I find a bit confusing about Solas is how he contradict himself when it comes to elves. Through the game you almost always gain approval from him when you stand for elves (for example when you are first dubbed inquisitor) not to mention the ending where he says his people (elves) need him. At the same time after the ball he talks about how he doesn't see himself as an elf and that they aren't anything he is connected to.

 

I understand that he believe you are your own person regardless of race and that your decisions are your own yet he also have this "elven glory" attitude about him.

 

it is a bit confusing, basically he likes the elves and wants them to succeed.

but he doesn't think he is one therefore any failures are their own.

 

the last scene, well are certain he means the elves?

[jellobell]

One thing I find a bit confusing about Solas is how he contradict himself when it comes to elves. Through the game you almost always gain approval from him when you stand for elves (for example when you are first dubbed inquisitor) not to mention the ending where he says his people (elves) need him. At the same time after the ball he talks about how he doesn't see himself as an elf and that they aren't anything he is connected to.

 

I understand that he believe you are your own person regardless of race and that your decisions are your own yet he also have this "elven glory" attitude about him.

I think the contradictions make more sense when you realize that Solas is very much a fish out of water. We don't know how long he's been asleep for, but that final scene gives the implication that he only woke up recently. And when he woke and saw what had happened to the elves, presumably as a result of his actions, he's horrified and guilt-stricken.

 

From some of his dialogue with the Dalish Inquisitor, we can gather that he first tried to approach the Dalish and tell them about what ancient Arlathan really was, but he was cast out and ignored. And the city elves are so marginalized and scattered that their priorities center more around survival than regaining knowledge about what they once were. So even though the elves of modern Thedas are technically "his people", he feels alienated from them. The people he fought for so long ago are gone, replaced with elves that think his rebellion was some sort of betrayal.

 

And he does value people of all races because he believes in people. But he's also an elven god(?). He feels responsible for the elves in a way that he doesn't for humans, qunari, or dwarves. I also think that he doesn't have a ton of experience with people of other races. He's seen their memories in the Fade, but his primary point of reference has always been Arlathan back in its golden age when Elves were to ancient Thedas was humans are to modern Thedas.

[LadyJaneGrey]

*snip*

 

From some of his dialogue with the Dalish Inquisitor, we can gather that he first tried to approach the Dalish and tell them about what ancient Arlathan really was, but he was cast out and ignored. And the city elves are so marginalized and scattered that their priorities center more around survival than regaining knowledge about what they once were. So even though the elves of modern Thedas are technically "his people", he feels alienated from them. The people he fought for so long ago are gone, replaced with elves that think his rebellion was some sort of betrayal.

 

*snip*

 

Are you referring to the conversations in Haven or elsewhere?  Solas' opinions on the Dalish seemed reasonable, but the angriest I felt the entire game was my Dalish's asking why Solas refused to share what he knew with city elves and his fatalistic answer.

• "So you've already decided his response for him?"
• "Yes."  *ends conversation*

 

What I would have given for a kick-character-squarely-in-the-shin option.  On the positive side, at least she said exactly what I was thinking at the time.

[myahele]

It seems like there is some truth Dalish belief that Fen Harel walks in the Fade, but from what we know he don't eat souls.

Also, I remember in redemption the mask of fen harel had the ability to open up the veil.

[WhatGoesHere]

solas calls the elves 'the people' and not 'his people' in the post-ending cinematic. i think that is an important distinction. being an elven god doesn't mean he has to be an elf himself. he makes it clear in conversations with him that he doesn't consider himself an elf. as noted earlier in this thread there might be a distinction between the ancient elves, and the elves that currently reside in thedas, but i think the more likely result is that the elven gods weren't elves themselves. see: how mythal's statues are all very dragon-y, and flemeth jokes that she might just be a dragon...

[JusticarStef]

I LOVE THIS THREAD!!!

 

I agree with majority here, and Solas (3rd post on page one) hit the nail on the head for everything I thought! Absolutely brilliantly put.

 

As a Solas romancer (and I am COMPLETELY obsessed), I will be kind of upset if he is now "Flemythal"... As stated by other posters, it would be a shame to sweep such an awesome "new" character to the side.

 

Flemeth has been a favorite character of mine since the beginning (I can NEVER "kill" her in Origins). Her "death" was startling BUT if she *truly* is gone, I'd prefer she went in that way than for Solas to just no longer exist.

 

Gotta say, the whole Mythal/Flemeth thing was mind blowing... Solas/Dread Wolf thing = jaw to the floor.

 

I LOVE THIS GAME.

 

               

[Aren]

Dread wolf? the one who tricked Elgarnan the god king (among the ancient elves) of vengeance and husband of Mythal, who later kill her with his weapons the taint  as well  as the other elven gods Forgotten's one included.

<now he is again in thedas to complete is job vs Flemeth and also the optional Urthemiel, (but he is not a concern is just a little soul compared to the Dread wolf).

Dread wolf the so called 

wolf in sheep's clothing

[jellobell]

Are you referring to the conversations in Haven or elsewhere?  Solas' opinions on the Dalish seemed reasonable, but the angriest I felt the entire game was my Dalish's asking why Solas refused to share what he knew with city elves and his fatalistic answer.

• "So you've already decided his response for him?"
• "Yes."  *ends conversation*

 

What I would have given for a kick-character-squarely-in-the-shin option.  On the positive side, at least she said exactly what I was thinking at the time.

I was referring to his interactive banter with a Dalish elf during the initial story bits when you're with Varric, him, and Cassandra and making your way towards the breach. He comments on you being dalish, your character gets a bit defensive and asks what he knows of the Dalish, he says that he has crossed paths with them before, and if you choose to question him further he says something to the effect of he offered them knowledge but they drove him away. He also references it in one of the hub conversations in Haven.

 

And I believe he was talking about Dalish rather than city elves in the exchange you mentioned, but I could very well be wrong. I haven't looked at all of the response options. 

[Beomer]

Flemeth and Solas are standing in front of a mirror and Solas says I should have been the one to pay the price. Am I the only one who thought that the price in question was the price to use the Eluvian?
Remember Morrigan says that you have to pay a different price for each Eluvian. Also Flemeth and Solas both regret that he lost the orb.
My theory is they wanted to use the orb to travel somewhere. Now that it is destroyed they are forced to use the Eluvian and pay the price.
Also I think Flemeth is dead. The woman I mean. Now only Mythal lives on.

[Stormghost]

I just finished the game, and that post-credit scene shocked me quite a bit.

 

I must say, I thought that Flemeth had died, and maybe that Solas had killed her. I didn't think about her stealing his body.

 

It all makes the premise of the next DA game very interesting...

[DarkSpiral]

DLC!  It makes the premise of the first DLC very interesting!

If I have to wait YEARS to find out more about the reveals dropped in our laps in that post credit scene....well.  One word.

 

redrum.

[LadyVaJedi]

Is it possible that the Dread Wolf could be the maker? I am asking beacuse didn't the maker imprison the old Gods? And that is what the Dread wolf did. And maybe the tales changed some what through time?

[Uirebhiril]

 

Dread wolf? the one who tricked Elgarnan the god king (among the ancient elves) of vengeance and husband of Mythal, who later kill her with his weapons the taint  as well  as the other elven gods Forgotten's one included.

<now he is again in thedas to complete is job vs Flemeth and also the optional Urthemiel, (but he is not a concern is just a little soul compared to the Dread wolf).

Dread wolf the so called 

wolf in sheep's clothing

 

 

Except... all through the game it's revealed that they got the legend wrong and Fen'Harel had nothing to do with the murder or betrayal...

[Ajna]

Except... all through the game it's revealed that they got the legend wrong and Fen'Harel had nothing to do with the murder or betrayal...

Was just about to post this myself

[luism]

I wonder if solas is the reason that we can't have a mabari in this game or perhaps the fact that the human inquisitor isn't from ferelden.

[Sasie]

The truth about the vallaslin in the Solas romance was probably the most heartbreaking moment in the game. Just imagine what it would be like for a dalish elf. Just to be part of a people who struggled for a thousand years to reclaim just a little of their history and in all that time they can barely even read/understand the language. Then the one part they actually did manage to preserve was not a symbol that honors their gods but rather a slave brand no better then the life they had under Tevinter rule.

One interesting thing though is what Solas says in the temple of Mythal infront of the Dread Wolf statue. He berate Morrigan for taking a historians perspective on the legends and say the truth are often found somewhere in between legend and facts/historical perspective.

[jawsisinmywc]

So in DA2 Flemeth talks a lot about change and what not. Is it possible that she woke Fen'Harel cause he is a part of the key that opens the Eluvians?