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[DxWill103]

Just finished the game, figured I'd offer what I think happened:

 

Flemeth/Mythal and Solus/DW were probably on the same page for a while now, at least to a degree in terms of 1 overarching goal they both wanted.  However, Flemeth laments Solas' decision to give the orb the Cory (whether she expressed this to him beforehand, who knows).  Her tone of voice tells me she is truly sad, in a way we've never seen her.  Why?  Because they both know what has to happen next. 

 

Since they hit a snag on their unified goal (presumably to bring back to the 'gods?') they both seemed to know the next course of action, no debate needed.  I wonder if part of Flemeth speaking is actually.. Flemeth.  I mean, if you think about it, it's almost as if Flemeth is still HERSELF, she is just quietly motivated and guided by the spirit of Mythal, and Flemeth has become quite passionate about promoting Mythal's wishes after spending so long with her.

 

So it makes me wonder if Flemeth is so sad bc a) she's invested herself in this struggle, and knows her part is finally about to end, and b ) feels as Mythal does, in that she also views Solas/DW as a friend.  To me it seems understood from the beginning of this scene that Solas would be.. consolidating their power by taking Mythal into himself (for what exact reasons no idea). 

 

He does express sadness knowing that, in my opinion, due to the fact he was the one at fault, HE should be the one giving up his spirit to her, but it seems he views himself the proper receiver, as he has just re-arrived back in the action after a long rested sleep, ready to go, and Flemeth is old, her time spent.  It seems understood that, at least to these two, this is the only course of action.  Flemeth is sorry, that she must die, that she could not do more to help, that her longtime spirit friend must leave her, etc, and Mythal is simultaneously sorry for these things, sorry for Solas' continued failures and his suffering as a result, etc.  I mean "sorry" can be said for so many reasons, especially when we're trying to decipher a short scene between two 'gods', who the hell knows what they actually mean from what they say.

 

Anyway that's my 2 cents.  Essentially as simple as, Solas is sorry he messed up, but he's in a better position to continue the plan/fix mistakes, Flemeth and Mythal but know this, and are sorry everything turned out the way it did.  I guess. 

 

Hell I don't know, maybe it's something wayyy more complex but, at least with my experiences, things like this are normally at least tried to kept to a more simpler level.  There's an elegance in simplicity in even mysterious things. 

 

People always venture ideas that begin to get too complex to be a realistic outcome in a video game story in my opinion.  And while they're entertaining reads, it rarely works out the way, no matter how much people want it too.  Indoctrination theory being a pretty recent example.

 

Edit:  When I was making point 'B', after point 'A' above, it turned out to be a sunglasses face on accident.  Really killed the vibe, I was going for some deep thinking stuff here xD

[DarkSpiral]

Anyone read the bit in the Temple of Mythal where it mentions that a powerful elf was welcomed into the ranks of the gods, on the condition she quit creating new monsters?  I can't recall which of the Creator is what, right now.  Her creations included the dragons, but that's just an interesting side bit.  

 

Speculation: If the elves could be made, or raised up, into whatever it was that the elves of Arlathan considered "gods," its reasonable to believe that there could be someone that got there first.  Someone who helped others achieve the same status.  Perhaps so he wouldn't be alone, because that was his greatest fear.  And could, if needed, take it away again.  Sound like anyone we know?

[saren753]

I think our friend solas almost solved it. But id like to add to his theory. So as he said, i assume most is correct, but instead of elves ruling over elves, maybe they ruled the other races. They used them as instruments of their own gain, for war, power, or sacrifice, as playthings for the most powerful mages thedas had ever seen.solas wanted freedom for all, and when he locked away his fellow "gods" (elven mage kings baisically; ruling over other races) and went into slumber, it gave the other races the power to fight back against their weaker elven overlords. So then then the time of andraste came about, allowing for the exalted march against the elves, almost eradicating them. Her teachings were warped by the very thing she created, and so started the chant of light and all that nonsense. Corypheus says the magisters entered the kingdom of heaven, and found it empty. Was it because the elven "gods" were already locked away by solas the "dreadwolf"? How can a dwarf, human or qunari otherwise become a servant of a dead elven god (mythal)if you choose to drink from the pool, unless the other races had been subservient to the elves? All speculation of course, but props to origin member solas for really getting me thinking. Please feel free to correct or fill in holes in my "theory". Bioware is going to blow our minds with this one. I cant wait to see what the future holds in thedas.

[Crockets]

Ok ended the game again and this time final cutscene of Flemeth/Solas was quite different then the first time it played for me.

I played a Dalish elf and it clearly seemed Solas betrays Flemeth/Mythal and absorbs her essence. I had very different perspective from the first ending.

Says something like this: "I should pay for my mistake but our people need me". Also he clearly says this time that when he woke up he didn't have the power to use the orb so he gave it to Corypheus.

 

If I remember correctly, he didn't mention this in my first playthrough. Dunno how or why the cutscene played different this time.

[Beomer]

Ok ended the game again and this time final cutscene of Flemeth/Solas was quite different then the first time it played for me.

I played a Dalish elf and it clearly seemed Solas betrays Flemeth/Mythal and absorbs her essence. I had very different perspective from the first ending.

Says something like this: "I should pay for my mistake but our people need me". Also he clearly says this time that when he woke up he didn't have the power to use the orb so he gave it to Corypheus.

 

If I remember correctly, he didn't mention this in my first playthrough. Dunno how or why the cutscene played different this time.

 

What he actually says is something along the lines of 'I should pay the price'. IMO 'the price' is the price to use the Eluvian.

Think about it. Cory planned to use the Orb for the same purpose for which he later plans to use the Eluvian. What is to say that Solas too did not have similar (not same mind you) use intended for the orb? What if he too wanted to use it to travel somewhere, and now that it is broken he has no choice but to use the Eluvian. Since it was his screw up that the orb got broken, he should pay the Eluvian's price, but since 'the people' need him, Flemeth pays it instead of him.

[Heimdall]

What he actually says is something along the lines of 'I should pay the price'. IMO 'the price' is the price to use the Eluvian.
Think about it. Cory planned to use the Orb for the same purpose for which he later plans to use the Eluvian. What is to say that Solas too did not have similar (not same mind you) use intended for the orb? What if he too wanted to use it to travel somewhere, and now that it is broken he has no choice but to use the Eluvian. Since it was his screw up that the orb got broken, he should pay the Eluvian's price, but since 'the people' need him, Flemeth pays it instead of him.

My interpretation is that he talks about "paying the price" for what happened because he gave his orb to Corypheus. I think the orb was a power source, in particular a storage for the Dread Wolf's own power that Solas was unable to reopen with his current abilities. That's why he took Mythal's power in the end, to help the people as he always intended.

[MPSai]

My question is is he a god, or an elf? Is Dread Wolf just a title for an elven man who went to sleep for centuries like the Sentinels in the temple? 

[Ashagar]

He could be a spirit like Cole only vastly more powerful or something else completely.

[Aren]

We love Solas.

[Heimdall]

My question is is he a god, or an elf? Is Dread Wolf just a title for an elven man who went to sleep for centuries like the Sentinels in the temple?

No idea, I tend to think the elven gods were more than powerful mage-rulers the Dalish misinterpreted. They may be "gods", whatever that might be, but I think their more than spirits or Mages.

[CastaliaFey]

If he is... my Inquisitor in serious trouble.  My Dalish Inquisitor sort of punched him in the face.  Yep.  Just hauled off and slugged him.  If he holds any sort of grudge, she's doomed.

[Ziegrif]

I wonder if we can eventually get Solas to say: "Woof woof."

[KaiserShep]

I hope my Inquisitor's strong friendship with Solas pays off somehow. Who am I kidding? It probably won't. Stupid Flemeth. Stupid orb.

[DarkSpiral]

Under what circumstances do you punch Solas?

[Ziegrif]

I hope my Inquisitor's strong friendship with Solas pays off somehow. Who am I kidding? It probably won't. Stupid Flemeth. Stupid orb.

 

Depends if you drank the cool-aid at the well of Sorrows.

If Solas absorbed Mythal the reigns would be inherited in a way.

Wether he likes you or not might not matter.

 

But it would make things very interesting.

How far would Solas go in using a Lavellan he had a relationship with?

If he's still Solas that is.

 

Aaaah the potential drama...

 

 

Under what circumstances do you punch Solas?

 

Low approval, recruit Grey Wardens, Drink the cool-aid at the well. Etc.

You will eventually have an argument at Skyhold and then FALCON PUUUUUUUNCH!!

[DarkSpiral]

Ah, like the drunken scene with Cassandra.  Got it.

[CastaliaFey]

Under what circumstances do you punch Solas?

It was shortly after I brought the Templars back to Skyhold.  Our conversation quickly devolved into him pretty much telling me that I was no better them (meaning Templars as mage-haters).  As if not wanting to side with Tevinter blood mages was not a good enough reason for the choice.  My dialogue wheel gave me the option to hit him.  So I did.

 

He pretty much hated me the whole game...

[KaiserShep]

But you can't side with the Tevinter blood mages. The basis of In Hushed Whispers is to get rid of them.

[CastaliaFey]

I figured as much, (I'm on my second play through now...).  But for various reasons *cough* *cough* *Cullen* I wanted to play a Templar friendly game my first time... The Tevinter involvement gave my Inquisitor the what she needed for me to do just that.

[Twilight_Princess]

 

Depends if you drank the cool-aid at the well of Sorrows.

If Solas absorbed Mythal the reigns would be inherited in a way.

Wether he likes you or not might not matter.

 

 

Was that why he was so mad if you drank it? Because he would rather potentially use Morrigan instead of his friend once he took over? Was he angry because he knew he has to use the Inquisitor out of necessity later down the road?

[myahele]

Anyone read the bit in the Temple of Mythal where it mentions that a powerful elf was welcomed into the ranks of the gods, on the condition she quit creating new monsters?  I can't recall which of the Creator is what, right now.  Her creations included the dragons, but that's just an interesting side bit.  
 
Speculation: If the elves could be made, or raised up, into whatever it was that the elves of Arlathan considered "gods," its reasonable to believe that there could be someone that got there first.  Someone who helped others achieve the same status.  Perhaps so he wouldn't be alone, because that was his greatest fear.  And could, if needed, take it away again.  Sound like anyone we know?

I haven't seen that, but I do know that the Goddess of Hallas, according to Dalish myth, was once one of The People and through her good deeds they allowed her to join their ranks. Forgot that name, but that is interesting.

In the end I believe Dalish Gods could just be powerful mages and or spirit merger

[Ziegrif]

Was that why he was so mad if you drank it? Because he would rather potentially use Morrigan instead of his friend once he took over? Was he angry because he knew he has to use the Inquisitor out of necessity later down the road?

 

Well.

Hypothetically.

Worst case scenario he needs a blood sacrifice marked by Mythal.

Guess who can't say no.

 

He's not against blood magic after all.

 

Wonderfully morbid.

Bottoms up.~

[DarkSpiral]

He seems honestly pissed that you just gave up your freedom of will to Mythal.

 

His presentation in the game is earnest, most of the time, even if he's not telling us everything about his past.  I think its genuine disbelief on his part that you would bind yourself to something like that, giving up your freedom to choose your own destiny.  He hates the Qun for largely the same reason.

 

Also, he knows what the elven gods really are, so that has to factor in, too.

[UnequalPenguin]

It's a loop. They'll keep betraying each other and paying the price

[Twilight_Princess]

He seems honestly pissed that you just gave up your freedom of will to Mythal.

 

His presentation in the game is earnest, most of the time, even if he's not telling us everything about his past.  I think its genuine disbelief on his part that you would bind yourself to something like that, giving up your freedom to choose your own destiny.  He hates the Qun for largely the same reason.

 

Also, he knows what the elven gods really are, so that has to factor in, too.

 

You're right and he hates the wardens too.  That makes sense. At the time he seemed supportive of drinking from the well which was what confused me. I assumed that was because he was fine about morrigan drinking not you.