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[DarkSpiral]

You're right and he hates the wardens too.  That makes sense. At the time he seemed supportive of drinking from the well which was what confused me. I assumed that was because he was fine about morrigan drinking not you.

He knows you can't allow it to fall into Corypheus' hands.  Which is probably why there is actually a way to regain all the lost approval, once you're back at Skyhold.  its a series of dialogue choices.  The short version is you tell him that the only thing you can do is keep trying to make things better, or they really won't even get better.

 

There isn't any way to tell, of course, since we can't see the approval rating, but I think it balances out.

[ashwind]

Just finish the game and a few interesting thoughts come to mind.

 

1. The old gods are simply being of great power but they can be defeated. Mythal was betrayed and slain/murder and all is left is her spirit.

 

2. Solas or the Dread Wolf is the god of rebellion. Story says he tricked the other gods but it could also mean he simply rebelled against them.

 

3. The infighting of the old gods lead to the decline in magic that affected the elves most. They lose their immortality. Dalish lore is often too romantic to believe.

 

4. During the elven / old god war, they corrupted some power source (fade) which ultimately lead to the blight. Old gods lured the Magisters into the fade trying to fix it but it made things worse.

 

5. These old gods do not seem to have power over the blight. The blight could be a taint cause by their actions. 

 

6. The red lyrium is a "living" thing and it is sprouting all over the place after the 5th blight.

 

 

Theory:

1. Someone very powerful betrayed all the old gods and created the taint as his/her weapon. That or the taint is the result of the collective stupidity of the gods in their war.

 

2. The old gods were put to sleep or they were forced to sleep trying to contain this blight. The blight fights back by sending darkspawns to awaken/corrupt them.

 

3. Five old gods are now gone, the seal is weaken hence the taint is beginning to leak and hence red lyrium. If Dread Wolf can be trusted, he said killing the old gods would make things worse.

 

 

Hence I believe there are 2 scenarios here:

1. Mythal wanted revenge for her betrayal, for the world's betrayal so she force her soul into the Dread Wolf as the Dread Wolf is weak after his long slumber.

 

2. The Dread Wolf wanted to right a wrong from the god wars and forcefully took Mythal's power as Mythal is but a shadow of her previous self.

 

 

Conclusion:

Either way, these old gods are simply ancient relics who refuse to die and would go to any extend to "right" what they think is "wrong" like giving a powerful relic to Corypheus.

 

These grumpy old dudes must die so the world can progress. Looking forward to kick all their butts. There could also be this ultimate evil trapped somewhere and his snoring alone is bad enough that it created the taint that is known as the blight. 

[Aesir26]

 

Hence I believe there are 2 scenarios here:

1. Mythal wanted revenge for her betrayal, for the world's betrayal so she force her soul into the Dread Wolf as the Dread Wolf is weak after his long slumber.

 

2. The Dread Wolf wanted to right a wrong from the god wars and forcefully took Mythal's power as Mythal is but a shadow of her previous self.

 

 

Conclusion:

Either way, these old gods are simply ancient relics who refuse to die and would go to any extend to "right" what they think is "wrong" like giving a powerful relic to Corypheus.

 

These grumpy old dudes must die so the world can progress. Looking forward to kick all their butts. There could also be this ultimate evil trapped somewhere and his snoring alone is bad enough that it created the taint that is known as the blight. 

 

Almost anything is possible at this point but I don't think Flemeth/Mythal was able to force her soul upon Solas/Fen'Harel even as weak as he was. She said it herself, "a soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling". So Solas would have to either willingly accept the soul or Flemeth misled us which is entirely possible.

[ashwind]

Almost anything is possible at this point but I don't think Flemeth/Mythal was able to force her soul upon Solas/Fen'Harel even as weak as he was. She said it herself, "a soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling". So Solas would have to either willingly accept the soul or Flemeth misled us which is entirely possible.

 

There is no reason to believe that Flemeth is telling the truth. There is also no reason to believe that the old elven gods are as strong as they are reputed to be. 

 

The interesting part is their conversation. They are both "sorry", which means they both knew what had to be done. The more interesting question to me is, what made them so desperate.

 

Yes, anything is possible but gosh I just felt like I have been played by them old relics for 100+ hours   Especially Solas!!! He knew all along and for his own selfish reasons, he didnt bother to explain it a bit more except in the most illusive and polite way says: "Please clean up my mess for me, I will try not to make such a mess next time I plot something utterly stupid for some ancient reason that is probably equally stupid. Would you kindly?" *cough*Bioshock*cough*

 

I hope the next Dragon Age allows me to start killing these old -trouble makers- gods one by one. 

[KaiserShep]

I hope the next Dragon Age allows me to start killing these old -trouble makers- gods one by one. 

 

I wouldn't mind pulling a Kratos on these jokers, just without the super angry Spartan voice of eternal frustration.

[Arureruto]

I wonder if Flemeth's "appointment to keep" in DA2 was with Fen'Harel?

[Tamyn]

If he is... my Inquisitor in serious trouble.  My Dalish Inquisitor sort of punched him in the face.  Yep.  Just hauled off and slugged him.  If he holds any sort of grudge, she's doomed.

 

I think the fact that Solas doesn't vaporize you on the spot if you punch him, or later once Cory is dealt with (when your approval is low), shows his good character.

[sebilion]

I don"t have any idea of what happened but I want Solas to have Flemeth's soul like Kierran had the old god's, and then I want my inquisitor to have a daughter with Solas, who will be Mythal-Flemeth and everyone will be free and happy and then they can do whatever I want...

[Morroian]

I wonder if Flemeth's "appointment to keep" in DA2 was with Fen'Harel?

 

That was with the Warden, that part was set before the blight ended.

[BattleVisor]

Just finish the game and a few interesting thoughts come to mind.

 

1. The old gods are simply being of great power but they can be defeated. Mythal was betrayed and slain/murder and all is left is her spirit.

 

 

Mythal was an Elven god not an Old god.

[xSTONEYx187x]

Man I'm confused. 

 

That ending was all kinds of "wut" to me. And that brilliant post on the first page, no idea how how he/she garnered all that information from the game. Maybe I wasn't paying attention. 

 

[Trickshaw]

I think all who have finished the game know what I'm talking about.... But the question remains. Is Solas the Dread Wolf?

 

Uhhh... I'm not sure how anyone who watched that cut scene could ask this question?

 

These forums are getting kinda ridiculous lately.  If Cassandra had a cutscene where she pointed at a chair and said, "That chair is blue." there would inevitably be a thread started entitled, "Is the chair blue?"

[Jock Cranley]

I can't get how that boring weakling is now the centerpiece of the antagonism side.

 

I mean, what? He was horribly passive and weak the entire story. Yes, he did know about the orb, but other than that displayed no special knowledge or abilities. Completely bland and unexceptional, and rarely displays any opinions or reasons to take his input seriously.  Just another B-team companion.

 

The first time in the game he shows any sort of personal motive is when the orb breaks. He shows no trace of having secondary motives, good or bad, until the final boss has already been defeated.

 

And then, all the sudden, he's something hugely relevant, out of nowhere. Apparently, the orb was his and he gave it to Cory, for who knows what reason.  Huh?

[jellobell]

Uhhh... I'm not sure how anyone who watched that cut scene could ask this question?

 

These forums are getting kinda ridiculous lately.  If Cassandra had a cutscene where she pointed at a chair and said, "That chair is blue." there would inevitably be a thread started entitled, "Is the chair blue?"

Plus, if you replay the game it sorta rubs your nose in it.

 

I mean, you get "Solas slightly approves" when you plant a flag at the shrine of Fen'harel. 

[myahele]

How did Sola's give Cory the Orb? Did he set things up so that Cory could discover the Orb? Or did he go up to Cory and gave it to him in person?

[Lorien19]

Plus, if you replay the game it sorta rubs your nose in it.

I mean, you get "Solas slightly approves" when you plant a flag at the shrine of Fen'harel.

Forget Sera...Solas is the ultimate troll in Inquisition! xD

[Lewie]

I am never sure how to respond to any of this. When I saw Cory I thought oh **** it is the architect, or someone similar who remember tried to 'change' the wardens. That seems to have played out considering the dwarves are involved, again and the wardens are 'listening'.

 

Now I remember I miss Ohgren 

 

The Architect apologizes for 'what he is about to do'. 

 

I think Solas had good intentions. He has been in the fade/slumber for the best part of 1000 years. He has woken up, saw ehem 'what pride has wrought' from the beginning. Considering he has always known who Flemythal is, and what the foci means, something in me has to lean towards the idea that his goal is a good one. I love Flemeth and Morrigan but power seekers always grind on me somewhat. 

[Tex]

The red lyrium is a "living" thing and it is sprouting all over the place after the 5th blight.

But didn't they say lyrium was a living thing full stop and red lyrium was just lyrium infected with the blight because the blight can only infect living organisms?

[StarcloudSWG]

Lyrium is a living thing. It probably is the Stone that the dwarves mention / revere.

 

As evidenced by the fact it was infested with the Blight from the 'blood spilled within the Stone.'

[SamanthaJ]

Plus, if you replay the game it sorta rubs your nose in it.

 

I mean, you get "Solas slightly approves" when you plant a flag at the shrine of Fen'harel. 

Reaaaaaallllllly?! Oh hey, I finally found the key that makes this ~. Been looking for that. But reaaaaallllly?! I need to not max out his approval so early next time. Or wait patiently until an extensive guide of all the approval/disapproval changes shows up.

[Element Zero]

Lyrium is a living thing. It probably is the Stone that the dwarves mention / revere.

As evidenced by the fact it was infested with the Blight from the 'blood spilled within the Stone.'

I'm really surprised this isn't something about which more people are commenting. I wish I could recall all the little hints dropped in this game. Maybe I'll review the codex from my first playthrough and see if any of those notes are stored verbatim.

Based upon all that we've seen and know, I'm suspicious that lyrium contains the souls of the dwarves who are "returned to the stone". It just makes sense. It was my immediate thought when Dagna first commented upon lyrium seeming to be alive. Later, of course, that bit is stated more directly. The notes sprinkled throughout he game just built upon that suspicion. Who knows how and why their connection to the Fade was cut, assuming they used to have such? Maybe it coincides with the lost immortality of the elves. We'll see, I guess.

Sandal's creepy outburst late in DA2 sprung to mind as Solas was discussing his vision of a world with no Veil. Later revelations made it more significant. It strongly appears Fen'Harel wants to right past wrongs and restore a lost world, maybe taking the world back to a more magical state, as in Sandal's creepy declaration. It will be interesting to see where they take the story.

[BioWareM0d13]

Mythal was an Elven god not an Old god.

 

To be fair there is some speculation that the Tevinter Old Gods and the Elven Forgotten Ones are one and the same.

[Solas]

You're right and he hates the wardens too.  That makes sense. At the time he seemed supportive of drinking from the well which was what confused me. I assumed that was because he was fine about morrigan drinking not you.

There was an error with Solas' dialogue at the point where you have to decide whether to drink from the Well. He's supposed to beg you not to drink from it yourself but he doesn't, it's missing. Patrick Weekes confirmed that it's only flavor that's missing though, no plot-important lines.

[Solas]

Anyone read the bit in the Temple of Mythal where it mentions that a powerful elf was welcomed into the ranks of the gods, on the condition she quit creating new monsters?  I can't recall which of the Creator is what, right now.  Her creations included the dragons, but that's just an interesting side bit.  

 

Speculation: If the elves could be made, or raised up, into whatever it was that the elves of Arlathan considered "gods," its reasonable to believe that there could be someone that got there first.  Someone who helped others achieve the same status.  Perhaps so he wouldn't be alone, because that was his greatest fear.  And could, if needed, take it away again.  Sound like anyone we know?

You're talking about Ghilan'nain.

 

I think our friend solas almost solved it. But id like to add to his theory. So as he said, i assume most is correct, but instead of elves ruling over elves, maybe they ruled the other races. They used them as instruments of their own gain, for war, power, or sacrifice, as playthings for the most powerful mages thedas had ever seen.solas wanted freedom for all, and when he locked away his fellow "gods" (elven mage kings baisically; ruling over other races) and went into slumber, it gave the other races the power to fight back against their weaker elven overlords. So then then the time of andraste came about, allowing for the exalted march against the elves, almost eradicating them. Her teachings were warped by the very thing she created, and so started the chant of light and all that nonsense. Corypheus says the magisters entered the kingdom of heaven, and found it empty. Was it because the elven "gods" were already locked away by solas the "dreadwolf"? How can a dwarf, human or qunari otherwise become a servant of a dead elven god (mythal)if you choose to drink from the pool, unless the other races had been subservient to the elves? All speculation of course, but props to origin member solas for really getting me thinking. Please feel free to correct or fill in holes in my "theory". Bioware is going to blow our minds with this one. I cant wait to see what the future holds in thedas.

I'm not opposed to the idea that the elves ruled over other races - but I'll just add that some elves definitely ruled over other elves, as we know from Solas (in his explanation of what the vallaslin are - elven nobles marked the faces of their slaves according to what god they followed) and other sources (I think Felassan in the Masked Empire basically reveals Arlathan was essentially no better than Orlais in terms of classism, having servants, etc).