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[MuhSHEEN]

I have rewatched the scene multiple times and I have come to the conclusion:

 

The mortal woman who was Flemeth, the vessel for Mythal is probably gone, she died at the scene.The human who was Flemeth was irrelevant.Though the spirit of Mythal herself...might have fused with the spirit of the Dread Wolf, that seems the most likely option.

Pretty much what I thought.

 

The orb was broken so Solas lost a great source of power and therefore had to look elsewhere for it. He found Mythal and absorbed/combined together to become a single entity for more power and accomplish what they're trying to do (to me it seems a lot like they're working together). Flemeth came out and said to the Inquisitor and Morrigan that she was basically just a vessel being kept alive by Mythal, therefore implying that Mythal is the "important" character in the Dragon Age world and Flemeth herself was no longer relevant. With the orb having the power to enter the Fade physically, its reasonable to assume the orb also had to power to enter the realms where the Elven gods were imprisoned. 

 

Solas joined the Inquisition to stop Corypheus from becoming a god. Whether this was out of the goodness of his heart, only wanting to get the orb back, or because he wants to get into the Black City himself is anyone's guess. Solas, based on his dialogue sounds like he's allied with spirits more so than the mortal races. 

[Aren]

i belive that there are some Demons who are more powerful than the elven gods,  i mean a demon give to Briala the power to reactivate all the eluvians.

[LinksOcarina]

So here is a thought, did Solas take a piece of Mythal, or the Old God that Flemeth gained from Morrigans son? Or was it both Mythal and Urthemiel?

[DemGeth]

Main villian was kind of a joke really.  I mean he's well done and everything...but he's rather small and arrogant in a way.  Such a limited scope of vision.   

 

It really felt this game was a setup for something truly epic further down that ends the blight and truly challenges the gods.  Not that this game didn't feel epic, it did, but with all the heady stuff that they are talking about the main villain feels petty and small in a way. Which as a setup worked great.

 

To that end yeah no way that Flemeth can't be involved...just now way!

[InfinitePaths]

 

Solas joined the Inquisition to stop Corypheus from becoming a god. Whether this was out of the goodness of his heart, only wanting to get the orb back, or because he wants to get into the Black City himself is anyone's guess. Solas, based on his dialogue sounds like he's allied with spirits more so than the mortal races. 

 

 

Oh it's absolutely clear why Solas did it.

 

He knew Cory was arrogant and was going to use his power to power up the orb.Solas used Cory to get the orb working.He stop Cory because he wanted to get the orb back after Cory powered it up, and because he didn't want the world to go to sh!t just because of his ambition.

 

At least that's the logical guess.

[Arantir]

Here's my 2 cents.

 

Remember how Corypheus said that when they arrived in the Black City and the Maker's seat was already empty?.... I'm thinking what if Fen'Harel and Mythal were the ones who originally entered and started the whole Darkspawn business (I'm fairly sure they were much more powerful back then than the Tevinter), IF the DSpawn have anything to do with this event in the first place, and now they are trying to fix everything/unwillingly make it worse.

 

It just seems to me that the rabbit's hole is so much more deeper than we are led to believe. There's so much more going on in the background, bigger than the Blights and everything in general. I don't think neither Flemeth or the Dread Wolf are evil, they just messed up a long long time ago really really bad... But I'm probably wrong just wanted to get this out there.

[myahele]

Fen harel is cunning maybe he used corypheus to power up the orb and as a result everyone was focused on him. This leads to well of sorrows being dranked by morrigan or inq. Mythal seems distracted and wants to vengeance against the world.

By pretending to get the orb back only for it to be destroyed he saves the "people" from Mythal and others wrath.

Also I speculate Mythal to have a close relationship to the old gods. Perhaps she's even their proginator? There are dragon statues in places that worship Mythal.

[Naid]

didnt the old elf in the mythal temple say that it was not the wolf who imprissoned the other elf gods?

[myahele]

What if it was the unnamed "sun" god/father of elger man that betrayed and imprisoned everyone? After all her did try to destroy all creation and was defeated and relegated to servitude. He's not even named nor worshipped.

If that's the case I can understand why Mythal felt so betrayed and chose Flemeth....both were betrayed by their lovers and imprisoned.

Isn't it odd that the symbol of chanrty is that of a sun?

[herkles]

The fact that fen'harel/dread wolf would wander around as someone more humble then himself is not without precendent within our own mythologies. Many gods and goddesses did similar things. Odin in norse mythology even had the epithet the wander for the numerous stories of him wandering the world disguised as an ordinary man. Zeus and Hermes did similar things in several of the myths within the hellenic mythologies as well. 

 

So the dread wolf, a god of cunning and trickery disguising himself as someone far more humble makes sense when one looks at our own mythologies.

 

just thought I would throw this out there.

[Random Spirit.]

Arlathan had crystal spires twining through tree branches and palaces in the clouds.

 

Yes, supposedly.

[RedWulfi]

Solas never approved of what I choose lol screw him. I was trying to help Cole and he disapproved. 

[elikal71]

Honestly, the facts of the Epilogue are so thin, Bioware can make ANYTHING out of it.

 

You know nuthin, Jon Snow!

 

 

By the way, my guess is, Flemeth knew her life was at an end, when she met Kieran and Morrigan. She kinda wanted to see her mortal family one last time, knowing her mortal body was at an end, but since she loved Morrigan and Kieren, she didn't want to take over their bodies. I thus guess, Flemeth body was at the end. She took Kieran's God-soul, to allow Kieran to have a normal life, and I guess Flemeth transferred Kieran's God-soul somewhere else at the end through that mirror. That is as much as we can relatively safely assume, I think.

 

Flemeth hinted, she and Mythal merged, because both had similar experiences with a lover and betrayal. But honestly I dont remember the backstory of Flemeth anymore.

 

The rest is pure speculation.

[Arijharn]

I always figured that Flemeth was the one who took Solas at the end.

1) Solas was remorseful for a lot of reasons

2) Flemeth sounds at the time that she's still a bit of a manipulative, conniving witch

3) Flemeth's body is getting old. Remember she was grooming Morrigan back during Origins to be her replacement body (preferably as a stopgap for Kieran who she hopes Morrigan is carrying by that time I'm guessing). The events of Origins was in universe, 10 years ago. Flemeth even had Morrigan's 'welcome home' present ready (in game terms it boosted her Magic while eroding her Willpower. Probably to make her more susceptible to suggestion of giving up her body?). Surely by the time of Solas' arrival, Mythal/Flemeth was truly in need of gaining a new body.

 

I don't think it would be beyond Flemeth from lying either, everyone lies. I hardly think Flemeth is under a geas to only tell the truth.

 

In the case of not taking over Kieran at the time (should he exist), I actually think Morrigan moved her enough to reconsider her actions, and thus she gave Kieran back, after some soul sucking.

[elikal71]

I always figured that Flemeth was the one who took Solas at the end.

1) Solas was remorseful for a lot of reasons

2) Flemeth sounds at the time that she's still a bit of a manipulative, conniving witch

3) Flemeth's body is getting old. Remember she was grooming Morrigan back during Origins to be her replacement body (preferably as a stopgap for Kieran who she hopes Morrigan is carrying by that time I'm guessing). The events of Origins was in universe, 10 years ago. Flemeth even had Morrigan's 'welcome home' present ready (in game terms it boosted her Magic while eroding her Willpower. Probably to make her more susceptible to suggestion of giving up her body?). Surely by the time of Solas' arrival, Mythal/Flemeth was truly in need of gaining a new body.

 

I don't think it would be beyond Flemeth from lying either, everyone lies. I hardly think Flemeth is under a geas to only tell the truth.

 

In the case of not taking over Kieran at the time (should he exist), I actually think Morrigan moved her enough to reconsider her actions, and thus she gave Kieran back, after some soul sucking.

 

As I said, all this is VERY much open to interpretations. The Epilogue can mean literally anything. That is what sort of aggravates me. Once more I have more questions than answer. If that continues I won't live to see the end of the story! I am 43 now, so Bioware better hurries. Seriously. The idea to wait another 4-5 years just to get another miniature answer with 200 new questions pisses me off. Can we not have some real FINISH someday? Where just all questions are answered and then if they want they can start a new story. I hate this endless cliffhangers. DA1 and 2 already gave close to no answers to the meta-plot, and DA3 as well.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Main villian was kind of a joke really.  I mean he's well done and everything...but he's rather small and arrogant in a way.  Such a limited scope of vision.   

 

It really felt this game was a setup for something truly epic further down that ends the blight and truly challenges the gods.  Not that this game didn't feel epic, it did, but with all the heady stuff that they are talking about the main villain feels petty and small in a way. Which as a setup worked great.

 

To that end yeah no way that Flemeth can't be involved...just now way!

 

Makes sense when you think about it though. Solas gave him the orb everything more or less went as Solas intended except for the whole breaking of the orb.

and if my theories correct Solas also designed cory's escape in the first place.

 

Corypheus was an unwitting asset, Solas used him without him knowing it.

and he used you as well. He arrives, keeps you alive. keeps you from being killed.

Teaches you to use the anchor.

Leads you to skyhold. 

Direct's you to the orb specifically.

 

Cory was a means to charge his orb.

you were a means to recover it.

[Arijharn]

But the supposition of Solas 'designing' Cory's escape is complete supposition.

 

In the DA2 DLC it was Cory who somehow influenced some local Carta (which managed to find themselves close to his prison, the hows and whys of this was never explained as far as I know, for all we know it could have been just sheer dumb luck which brought the Carta there in the first place) which eventually escalated into getting the blood of Malcolm. The rest is basically history. Hawke managed to make his key, free Cory and then kill him to which he bodyhopped to larius or presumably the crazy warden mage.

[elikal71]

Makes sense when you think about it though. Solas gave him the orb everything more or less went as Solas intended except for the whole breaking of the orb.

and if my theories correct Solas also designed cory's escape in the first place.

 

Corypheus was an unwitting asset, Solas used him without him knowing it.

and he used you as well. He arrives, keeps you alive. keeps you from being killed.

Teaches you to use the anchor.

Leads you to skyhold. 

Direct's you to the orb specifically.

 

Cory was a means to charge his orb.

you were a means to recover it.

 

 

If that was so, why didn't he just tell me? I was a Dalish, clearly of the Old Faith. If he had told me to help him save the Gods or something, I would in all likelyhood agreed! So, what WAS his real plan? Why was Cory needed to charge the Orb? I still don't get it all. Apparently Solas was/is on the side of the Elves, he wants "the people" = Elves saved. I would have done ANYTHING to help him with that!

Oh, Solas... why didn't you trust me?

[Tevinter Soldier]

If that was so, why didn't he just tell me? I was a Dalish, clearly of the Old Faith. If he had told me to help him save the Gods or something, I would in all likelyhood agreed! So, what WAS his real plan? Why was Cory needed to charge the Orb? I still don't get it all.

 

you as a dalish would trust the dread wolf? the betrayer and trickster the won who is supposedly the reason your god's no longer answer?

 

maybe i'm reading too much into solas after all this but my take on his dialogue in the prologue.

"i've crossed paths with the dalish...... several times. but when I APPROACHED THEM  i was met with hostility and fear, they drove me away based on nothing more than superstition"

 

I viewing that as he came to them as Fen'Heral in the past and it's his reputation that is the superstition he refers to.

[JJDXB]

Corypheus' plotline is weak, but I don't think it's that important.  Just as there are side quests underneath the main quest, what Fen'Harel and Mythal have been doing is the real story above the main quest lines of the 3 games.  Ultimately, we're talking grand scales here.  A story of Gods that's spanning games, dwarfing the likes of Corypheus and Urthemiel.

 

In other words, what I think the devs are going for is that Dragon Age as a whole is not about mortals heroes like the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor, it's about a struggle on a different plane of existence.

[elikal71]

you as a dalish would trust the dread wolf? the betrayer and trickster the won who is supposedly the reason your god's no longer answer?

 

maybe i'm reading too much into solas after all this but my take on his dialogue in the prologue.

"i've crossed paths with the dalish...... several times. but when I APPROACHED THEM  i was met with hostility and fear, they drove me away based on nothing more than superstition"

 

I viewing that as he came to them as Fen'Heral in the past and it's his reputation that is the superstition he refers to.

 

 

I know, but from where the Elves stand, it can't get WORSE for them. Who is a betrayer is often a question who tells the story.

[Naid]

could it be that the elven gods are called gods because there are powerfull mages who can transform into dragons?( shapeshift skills morrigan / flemeth ) and the dread wolf imprisoned them by forcing them to stay dragons forever (becoming the new tevinter gods) and send them sleeping somehow

 

afterall we know of 5 blights so 2 dragons are left (Mythal and the Dreadwolf are the only elven gods left)

[xnarcosysx]

Both of them are iconic, I would hate for Fen'harel to be swept aside like that.

Solas/Fen'harel is not iconic since he was only JUST introduced into the series. Yes we have codexes, but that does not make him iconic. Fleet affidavit had played a part in all the games and to get rid of her that quickly in some after credit scene is a massive disrespect to the character and an utter waste of time fit the developers. If it's true that this nobody, weak character took her out that easily, it would be mass effect all over again.

[xnarcosysx]

Corypheus' plotline is weak, but I don't think it's that important.  Just as there are side quests underneath the main quest, what Fen'Harel and Mythal have been doing is the real story above the main quest lines of the 3 games.  Ultimately, we're talking grand scales here.  A story of Gods that's spanning games, dwarfing the likes of Corypheus and Urthemiel.
 
In other words, what I think the devs are going for is that Dragon Age as a whole is not about mortals heroes like the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor, it's about a struggle on a different plane of existence.

But what did they have anything to do with the first game? It was a blight. The only argument is that IF the old gods or creators are the ones that started the taint, then solas is inadvertently responsible for it because he sealed them away. But there is still no real connection. Only the very small bit of morrigan and flemeth.

It could be the elven gods created the taint on cory as a plot to get things started to free them, get revenge on the world, and also take out the forgotten ones. The last bit is only if the archedemons are the forgotten ones. Big if tho as solas said something that they have nothing to do with the creators.

[myahele]

I'm not too sure if Kieran is born, but Morrigan did make a deal with Flemeth: in exchange for Kieran she'll allow Flemeth to do whatever to her.

 

Then there also drinking her essense (?) from the well.

 

Also, isn't odd that Flemeth can call Urthemiel from within the fade?