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[JasonPogo]

I'm so glad I went with a Keep save that had Alistair still a Warden. When you had to choose who to leave in the fade Hawke or Alistair I was actualy conflicted. If it had been Stroud I would have had no problem leaving him there.

[chr0n0mancer]

Yeah, it's a pretty easy decision with Stroud, he even admits to be hearing the calling earlier in the game.

[Chiramu]

I was super happy to see Loghain as the warden friend , Loghain has an amazing voice actor! I only sacrificed Loghain because I didn't want Hawkes' love interest to be upset .

[Taleroth]

Why would you leave Stroud there? He might actually accomplish something with his life other than burn down a city.

[Chiramu]

Why would you leave Stroud there? He might actually accomplish something with his life other than burn down a city.

 

You don't know him as well as Alistair or Loghain. That would be the only reason.

[Bio Addict]

Oh man, I had the same experience OP.  Either abandon my avatar from the last game or my favorite companion character from the first game.  And then the decision right after that was even more difficult.  Before I started playing the game I never thought I'd end up doing things like abandoning Alistair to an almost certain death and then exiling the Wardens from southern Thedas but that is, in fact, what just felt right at the time.  Bioware really raised the bar with their decision points for this one.

[Merengues 1945]

I really had a bad time chosing between Loghain (who was also the father-in-law of my Warden) and Hawke... In the end I sacrificed Loghain. He had been a hero of a nation and a warden for over a decade. Surely he had less years than Hawke to make a real change in the world.... BTW does anyone knows what happens to Hawke after he/she goes to Weisshaupt?

[staindgrey]

Why would you leave Stroud there? He might actually accomplish something with his life other than burn down a city be a present force but victim to inevitability amidst a conflict that can't be won.

Fixed that for ya. 

 

Seriously, though. Hawke is a tragic hero. The Warden, on the other hand, is not-- unless you choose to kill him/her. There's simply a difference in the goals of writing a tragedy and writing a generic high fantasy "kill the big evil thing" plot. The difference between what they accomplished is that the Warden had a fully attainable goal, while Hawke did not. No matter what Hawke or anyone did, the Mage Rebellion would happen, because there's nothing one person can possibly do to resolve a conflict like that peacefully, particularly when one of the driving forces of said conflict has an altered mind due to a force no one understands. There's no one thing Hawke could accomplish, no one entity Hawke could kill, that would have created a happy ending.

 

I will concede that allowing Bartrand to steal the idol, allowing Anders to fester in his rage and failing to fully commit to one power before the Chantry was destroyed were entirely Hawke's fault, however.

[KaiserShep]

Why would you leave Stroud there? He might actually accomplish something with his life other than burn down a city.

 

Wait, are we choosing between Stroud and the Arishok too? Poor guy can't catch a break.

[Seneva]

For me the choice was rather easy. I had Hawke and Stroud. Default World State. I let Hawke die and Stroud rebuilt the Wardens. I feel that people are making an emotional decision here to save Hawke instead of looking through the eyes of the the inquisitor. The inquisitor has no ties to hawke other than hawke giving him/her a crucial lead. Stroud on the other hand needs to rebuild the Wardens because without Wardens the next Blight will consume us all.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I was planning to have Hawke die, since it was one whom I was not fond of and felt no connection to (also used the default face instead of recreating it because of the Foreign Accent Syndrome bug), but somehow he managed to win me over. Stroud is just blah. In the end, I decided I wanted Hawke more and said to hell with the Grey Wardens. I might end up not ever saving the Warden. Cannot wait to do this with Alistair and Loghain.

[Taleroth]

I will concede that allowing Bartrand to steal the idol, allowing Anders to fester in his rage and failing to fully commit to one power before the Chantry was destroyed were entirely Hawke's fault, however.

Letting Petrice live after she tried to murder him, too.

 

Hawke wasn't a tragic hero. Tragic heroes are defined by a flaw, a flaw that they perhaps see and challenge but fail to overcome. But at least a flaw that the the audience sees and wants him to overcome. Hawke had no flaw, he just had failure.

 

Let's not romanticize the character. He's not a representation of a classic literary device. He's an RPG protagonist in a game that has far too little agency because they were too concerned with creating epic conflicts to pay any attention to how players could shape that conflict.

[Aira Rennyde]

I feel that people are making an emotional decision here to save Hawke instead of looking through the eyes of the the inquisitor. The inquisitor has no ties to hawke other than hawke giving him/her a crucial lead.

No, not really like that. There's also Varric who tried to keep Hawke away from the trouble after Kirkwall. It's not that easy to leave a friend of a friend to die, from the Inquisitor's perspective as well.

[KaiserShep]

For me the choice was rather easy. I had Hawke and Stroud. Default World State. I let Hawke die and Stroud rebuilt the Wardens. I feel that people are making an emotional decision here to save Hawke instead of looking through the eyes of the the inquisitor. The inquisitor has no ties to hawke other than hawke giving him/her a crucial lead. Stroud on the other hand needs to rebuild the Wardens because without Wardens the next Blight will consume us all.

From what I understand, Stroud is not far off from taking his Calling, so he likely won't be around to rebuild anything anyway. In any case, I consider the Grey Wardens to be cannon fodder for ancient evils (because they literally are).

[Fearsome1]

At the end of DA 2 both Leliana and Cassandra were searching for Hawke to lend his voice to the mage/templar conflict. Despite the tragedy that befell the Conclave, I would have to think that the Inquisitor and company might see a benefit to retaining the Champion of Kirkwall over a Warden who - yes -might rebuild the order, or just as easily succumb to the taint before that could actually happen. And by the way, if you leave Stroud - for instance - why would'nt Blackwall rise from a simple Warden recruiter (and current companion) to a higher veteran position to then basically help rebuild the order?

[Taleroth]

why would'nt Blackwall rise from a simple Warden recruiter (and current companion) to a higher veteran position to then basically help rebuild the order?

I nominate Blackwall for First Warden.

 

He can't do any worse a job than the current.

[Seneva]

@Aira-M:

 

Ill never say it is easy but it would be the most logical and beneficial in the long term because we still need wardens for the blight.

 

@KaiserShep

Yes, they are "fodder" but they are held in high regard as they are STILL the only ones able to permanently kill an Archdemon.  Thedas has a Warden King. The Warden Commander from HoF (he could become highest warden training new recruits but Bio hasn't included him in this DA game)

 

@Fearsome1

Knowledge. Stroud knows so much more than Blackwall. Blackwall would need training at Weishaupt before he could actually be of use. Stroud and Blackwall together would work even better. Teacher and pupil so to speak.

[Seneva]

@Taelroth

I'd nominate the Hero of Ferelden/Warden Commander from DA-O.

Close friends with the King. Highly respected by the Dwarven. Respected by the elven. Was present with killing the Archdemon in Denerim.

 

While Blackwalls deeds in DA-I are enourmous it pales compared to DA-O warden

[Seneva]

It's the fake calling created by Mister Cory. Not the real one

(unless I am mistaken ofcourse)

[Kenshen]

For me the choice was rather easy. I had Hawke and Stroud. Default World State. I let Hawke die and Stroud rebuilt the Wardens. I feel that people are making an emotional decision here to save Hawke instead of looking through the eyes of the the inquisitor. The inquisitor has no ties to hawke other than hawke giving him/her a crucial lead. Stroud on the other hand needs to rebuild the Wardens because without Wardens the next Blight will consume us all.

 

Does the Inquisitor even know why wardens are so important to stopping a blight?  I don't think they do so really that wouldn't be a variable in who gets left behind.  This is a problem with how DA games work, us players know things our current PC doesn't.  

[Taleroth]

It's the fake calling created by Mister Cory. Not the real one

(unless I am mistaken ofcourse)

A "fake" calling that's inherently more powerful than the real calling. And occurs naturally even while mad and locked away.

 

Makes you think, huh.