If your main character is a KE do you need a tank with taunt? Just wondering because if you can generate threat against enemies through damage done alone then you don't really need a tank, that is the theory anyway.
Is it worth also having Vivanne in your party? Two KE's seems pretty epic/OP. I was thinking of having myself as a KE, Vivanne, Varric (purely to unlock doors) and Solas for Rift magic synergy. Thoughts?
If your main character is a KE, you literally don't need anyone else. I'm not sure if KE generates aggro though but it, again, doesn't matter with infinite barrier and high spirit damage.
The thing with KE, and this is a segway into having two, is their big on the action side and less tactics. ie, a lot of mashing the spirit blade button. Which I like, but different strokes. I haven't seen Viv play as epic a KE as I have. She will normally still try to blast people from a distance.
But yup. Loves me some KE
Basically, as revan017 said, when you're controlling a KE, you don't need anyone else. Sure the fight will take a bit longer with everyone else dead, but you'll win.
Has anyone else noticed a bug with the Knight-Protector passive at the bottom of the KE skill tree? For me it seems that the 35% reduced decay rate for the barrier is not working.
I tested this by casting barrier at the same time as Solas. Both barriers decayed and expired at the same time.
Is this just bugged or is this being applied to the party as a whole maybe (which would be weird but awesome)?
Has anyone else noticed a bug with the Knight-Protector passive at the bottom of the KE skill tree? For me it seems that the 35% reduced decay rate for the barrier is not working.
I tested this by casting barrier at the same time as Solas. Both barriers decayed and expired at the same time.
Is this just bugged or is this being applied to the party as a whole maybe (which would be weird but awesome)?
Based on the spell description, either the tooltip is incorrect or this is a bug.
So I actually just got around to re-doing the skill build for my KE. I have to say, this build is completely and utterly OP. I can tank and kill anything. Having two KEs is even better. Then I have Cass tanking anyway to draw agro away from the rogue and for templar buffs.
I'm having trouble unlocking the knight enchanter quest line. I cant find the book or the conversation from Vivienne. So can anyone help is there a level requirement or story requirement.
Knight Enchanter is really strong, however when you start chugging down too much mana, that could be a problem when your barrier regenerates slower.
The Setup for KE allows you to basically take things on that are higher level with you with little difficulty. Having a tank is really useful, and i suggest having one. KE is NOT a tank. Its a durable fighter with ranged elements.
*What i like to do is set up a Fire setup with my KE. I use the skill that takes half my barrier and adds it to Fire elemental Attacks (I.E recommend Fire Mine) and i have my warrior drag their asses over to it via the chain grapple. I've hit over 10k with a Fire Mine on Hard. It was wonderous.
This confused me for a bit too. You don't need to actually talk to Vivienne. The book is on a table in the corner to the right of her/the balcony (assuming you mean the book for crafting the spirit hilt and not unlocking the specialisation generally which is done through taking to the trainer near the entrance to Skyhold).I'm having trouble unlocking the knight enchanter quest line. I cant find the book or the conversation from Vivienne. So can anyone help is there a level requirement or story requirement.
Well, you should still always have a warrior with you since only they can break through certain walls and obstacles.
I doubt a KE can really tank and generate enough threat for it. And, in my opinion, a KE shouldn't have to. Rejuvenating Barrier is a really powerful ability for a KE to have - it increases your mana regeneration by35 as long as your barrier is up, and it also increases the mana/stamina regeneration of allies when you cast barrier on them. But, to get that ability, you are forced to take Peaceful Aura, which reduces your threat generation by 50%.
Also, if you want Vivienne to consequently use Spirit Blade, you need to set that skill to be preferred by her in the tactics menu.
This confused me for a bit too. You don't need to actually talk to Vivienne. The book is on a table in the corner to the right of her/the balcony (assuming you mean the book for crafting the spirit hilt and not unlocking the specialisation generally which is done through taking to the trainer near the entrance to Skyhold).
What is the trainers name because near the entrance to Skyhold is bit veg because how big skyhold is so big. The book for crafting the spirit hilt is it on top as the chantey in haven or where she is in skyhold
Currently im running a 4 mage group (yeah i know i can't unlock or break down some stuff) with me as a KE as tank. Have to take the agro reducer in the spirit line on the other mages. Use wall of fire and ice to keep mobs from charging the casters, upgraded barrier with everyone slotted as a preferred spell. My barrier is near infinite even against dragons but can have a little trouble with getting chain knock downed, which is why my other mages have barrier too. When fighting dragons I just try to keep the group away from his mouth ect.
Not to say any other class, specialization isnt, but KE seems really overpowered and I didn't even pick it because of that. Just wanted to play a mage melee. If the barrier would only regenerate with no spirit blade spells I think it would normalize a bit or at least tick it down with how much it regenerates per hit. 45 hours in and haven't died once since going KE even against higher level creatures.
I just didn't spec Fade Shield on my KE, since I didn't really like the prospect of not dying, ever. It's really just that one passive (especially in combination with Chaotic Focus + Fire Magic) that makes the spec so utterly overpowered.
Not to say any other class, specialization isnt, but KE seems really overpowered and I didn't even pick it because of that. Just wanted to play a mage melee. If the barrier would only regenerate with no spirit blade spells I think it would normalize a bit or at least tick it down with how much it regenerates per hit. 45 hours in and haven't died once since going KE even against higher level creatures.
If anything, make it so the barrier regenerates with only the spirit blade spell. Honestly i have no problem with how it is now, but as long as it remains an effective melee Mage specialization ill be happy.
If anything, make it so the barrier regenerates with only the spirit blade spell. Honestly i have no problem with how it is now, but as long as it remains an effective melee Mage specialization ill be happy.
That doesn't make any sense. Its a melee focused specialization. Why wouldn't it encourage the use of its signature spell? To make it so u regenerate barrier with everything but Spirit Blade would make no sense.
That doesn't make any sense. Its a melee focused specialization. Why wouldn't it encourage the use of its signature spell? To make it so u regenerate barrier with everything but Spirit Blade would make no sense.
I don't think this is a good idea, as it would force an already heavily focused class into a single style of play. I personally don't think the class is as much of a one-trick-pony as everyone claims but I don't think it needs any more encouragement to stick to melee.
Agree, this is key. Firing off an e.g., chain lightning at point-blank range when my barrier is low (and drawing suckers into my buzzsaw, err, spirit blade) is both a cool and necessary dynamic to not be a one trick pony .
Right now my only real nit with KE is the spirit blade animation. It's just. So. Long. I'm not looking for more of a button masher or to do more damage... I just wish it didn't feel so 'swing for the fences'.
Right now my only real nit with KE is the spirit blade animation. It's just. So. Long. I'm not looking for more of a button masher or to do more damage... I just wish it didn't feel so 'swing for the fences'.
Well, you should still always have a warrior with you since only they can break through certain walls and obstacles.
I doubt a KE can really tank and generate enough threat for it. And, in my opinion, a KE shouldn't have to. Rejuvenating Barrier is a really powerful ability for a KE to have - it increases your mana regeneration by35 as long as your barrier is up, and it also increases the mana/stamina regeneration of allies when you cast barrier on them. But, to get that ability, you are forced to take Peaceful Aura, which reduces your threat generation by 50%.
Also, if you want Vivienne to consequently use Spirit Blade, you need to set that skill to be preferred by her in the tactics menu.
For Rejuvenating Barrier, I have been using two mages in my party. My KE goes down the right side of the spirit tree to get Strength of Spirits, while the other mage goes down the left side to get Rejuvenating Barrier. This works well because my KE avoids the threat reduction one, while also strengthening any barriers he casts. The other mage thus gets the threat reduction, while also improving my KE's (and anyone else when they have a barrier on) mana regen.
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