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[Capone666]

Another instance where Bioware REALLY goes above and beyond the bar when it comes representation of sexuality...pay attention to the "rules" that Bull talks about after with the player...the importance of authenticity.

 

[vertigomez]

It's awesome. I never expected something like that to crop up, but I was pleasantly surprised. And not a little hot under the collar. Ahem.

I love that scene where they discuss what everyone's safeword would be... except for the part where they totally forget Solas. What, do they think the pajama elf can't get down?! Clearly they're not acquainted with the Fade Tongue™.

[Z.Z]

When they talk about safeword and I inevitably picture Bull and said person together...I don't know why, but Bull and Varric sounds really hot. 

Maybe just because I really like Varric.

[ChiPsiUp]

Is there a video of that conversation up anywhere online?

 

It's awesome. I never expected something like that to crop up, but I was pleasantly surprised. And not a little hot under the collar. Ahem.

I love that scene where they discuss what everyone's safeword would be... except for the part where they totally forget Solas. What, do they think the pajama elf can't get down?! Clearly they're not acquainted with the Fade Tongue™.

[vertigomez]

Is there a video of that conversation up anywhere online?

Here you go! This is the male version, which is slightly more safe for work than the female version. You... probably still wouldn't wanna watch it with your boss over your shoulder. Unless your boss works in a dungeon.

Spoiler

[Dutchess]

Shouldn't they have established these rules before doing the deed for the first time? In the first romance scene with Bull I saw he was just giving a few vague warnings about how Inquisitor didn't know what it entailed to "ride the bull". 

[J.C. Blade]

Shouldn't they have established these rules before doing the deed for the first time? In the first romance scene with Bull I saw he was just giving a few vague warnings about how Inquisitor didn't know what it entailed to "ride the bull". 

 

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

[Basement Cat]

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

Not to mention those who prefer to play dom rather than sub. But I can't really gripe about it. If Bull is right about it, you continue. If he is wrong, you break up. Or you keep going because you really like him even if you have to make that concession. 

 

Props to Bioware on the relationships this time around. Choosing between your beliefs/values/principles and the person you want to be with. Happens in real life all the time.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

Yep. Being told that I need something I don't and that it would be disrespectful to do what I actually want is really off-putting and borderline creepy for me. I'm glad other people are happy with him as a love interest, but I want to be someone's partner and not their challenge. If you had a bit more agency about getting involved with this rather than "Yes, do whatever you want with me" or "No, we're breaking up" I probably wouldn't mind so much. I am disappointed that one of my male same-sex love interests (which is one of the big reasons I got into Dragon Age) is a complete non-option for me, though. Now I really wish they would have made Cullen or Blackwall bisexual and left this Fifty Shades of Grey crap to the women.

[Capone666]

I think you're  a little off base on this one and missing the point- persay 

[Dutchess]

...and left this Fifty Shades of Grey crap to the women.

 

(Disgusted noise)

 

I don't want it either!

[ZerioctheTank]

*looks at Iron Bull's junk*

Holy cow!!

[Dutchess]

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

 

Exactly. Asking "are you sure?" multiple times loses its meaning and just gets annoying when you don't really know what you're saying yes or no to. It could just be about Bull's size, for instance. The arm grabbing part accompanying the last warning hints at Bull being into rough stuff, but even then it's not clear what exactly that will entail. I won't claim to know much about BDSM, but I believe there are a lot of possible kinks and such, so it really depends on individual preferences what that lifestyle means. If Inquisitor has no experience with this whatsoever, it's all the more important to establish safe rules beforehand. First time should be the most uncertain after all, because it's all new. I suppose Inquisitor still could have gone "STOP! WHAT THE F**** ARE YOU DOING?!" and Bull would have stopped, but.. ehh. His romance mostly seems to be there for laughs and had me cringing because of the awkward writing. That Bull acts all smug with "of course you liked it" in the video posted in this thread makes the late safe rules and his sudden responsibility and concern ring even more hollow.

[Incantrix]

As someone who doesn't have the game and should stay off these forums (I try, I really do) I'm thinking of switching from Dorian to the bull. He seems super interesting from what I'm getting.

Maybe my elf will have a thing for Qunari on my canon play through.

[Baaleos]

Has anyone heard the inparty banter between Dorian and Bull.

 

Bull: You would hold my horns, and I would conquer you......

Dorian: Ummm... Wha?

Bull: Oh... is that not what you were talking about?

Dorian: Definitely not.....

 

Happens sometime after the Winter Palace act.

Dorian is complimenting Bull on his ability to fit in with aristocracy

[Capone666]

I dont get it

[LikesGuysWithBeards]

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

 

I didn't look at it as "leadership is too much of a burden for them" so much as "everyone needs some time to relax and not always be on top", so to speak, if that makes sense. I don't know if I'm explaining it well, and maybe its because that sentiment fit quite well with my Inquisitor, but I really enjoyed that aspect of the relationship myself. I can see why some other people wouldn't though!

[J.C. Blade]

I don't think it was a bad romance. It obviously has something that resonates with a group of players or else they wouldn’t have found Bull to be their favorite.

 

I just think that it did a poor job of introducing/easing up the player/Inquisitor into the kind of relationship they might have never faced with before - granted, it's just a game and it isn't the best place to put the encyclopedia of all the kinks in the world…

 

I also thought it was highly presumptuous how the game forced sentiment on the player after that. Some Inquisitors could use with Bull’s brand of relaxing and escaping the world, and some can do it with a cup of bitter tea and some quiet. So, either the Inquisitor enjoys it and it is what they need, or they grit their teeth and go through the motions of something they don't like/want because they care about Bull, which from my understanding, is a whole way away and missing the point of such relationships where trust is everything.

[Dermain]

Well...I suppose we know what that one controversial romance (where it could be taken as rape) came from...

 

Just throwing that one out there...

[Baaleos]

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[Arahnea]

But for those who played DAO it was pretty clear that Qunari are into very rough sex right

 

Morrigan: You seem so deep in thought, my dear Sten. Thinking of me, perhaps? The two of us, together at last?

Sten: Yes.

Morrigan: I... what did you say?

Sten: You will need armor, I think. And a helmet. And something to bite down on. How strong are human teeth?

Morrigan: How strong are my teeth?

Sten: Qunari teeth can bite through leather, wood, even metal given time. Which reminds me, I may try to nuzzle.

Morrigan: Nuzzle?

Sten: If that happens, you'll need an iron pry bar. Heat it in a fire, first, or it may not get my attention.

Morrigan: Perhaps it would be better if we did not proceed.

Sten: Are you certain? If it will satisfy your curiosity...

Morrigan: Yes. Yes, I think it is best.

[Dutchess]

Well...I suppose we know what that one controversial romance (where it could be taken as rape) came from...

 

Just throwing that one out there...

 

Well, Gaider thought the love story in Twilight was well done, so... is anybody surprised?

[Tyloric]

I think that this is my biggest and only gripe with his romance path. Unless you're fresh off the forums, the player and by that extension the Inquisitor, has absolutely no idea what they're getting into and Bull isn't exactly forthcoming with information. The fact that the game afterwards insists that this is something the Inquisitor needs because leadership is too much of a burden for them, is just icing on the cake some players didn't want - namely those who very much enjoy the role of the leader.

 

I was in this boat. I don't regret romancing Bull by any means, but I didn't like the game assuming things about my character for me. BDSM isn't something I've ever been particularly interested in, but that party didn't bother me at all. I enjoyed Bull's character enough to keep perusing the relationship after, but still... Reinard was quite comfortable in his position as Inquisitor. >_>

[Hellion Rex]

I really really liked the romance, though that's probably cause I personally would identify on the sub side, as would most of my characters. But I can see why people might have issues, particularly if it doesn't fit their character, which is a shame for them. While romances should have different flavors, this one particularly shines only for a certain type of Inquisitor.

[Lenimph]

I actually have a few issues with this. 

 

I really don't like that they had this conversation AFTER the deed. Shows that Iron Bull just went for it and that is troublesome. I also don't like the way Iron Bull shuts down the Inquisitor when quizzy suggested different roles, assuming that he knows what the Inquisitor needs better then the inquisitor himself, very troublesome.  While I appreciate the effort on Bioware's part for representation, I'm judging Iron Bull for being an shady Dom.  

 

Of course I don't know what happens when you pick, "you're wrong?" 

EDIT: Apparently that means you break up because he's incapable of switching or having normal sex... ok yeah... I have huge problems with this....