Okay I killed Mordin and this worries me so much.
Like...what.
Obviously everyone has a different universe. Mordin could be an important part of your crew or you could have just ignored him largely. If you do not like him to begin with, there is no problem shooting him like I have no problem shooting Ashley. However, ME gives you the options to betray your most trusted allies and DAO does not. Okay.. you can turn Aliester into a drunk that is also partly of his choice.
Most "evil" actions in ME universe were for some higher purpose. Most. For example, shooting Mordin in the back can be justified on at least two counts: (1) you need as much support as you can get, and (2) you're worried that the korgan just might wipe out everyone afterwards. Of course, you're still a horrible backstabbing bastard. But there was a reason.
Whereas DAO had a bunch of opportunities to use a murder knife just because. You looked at me wrong? MURDER KNIFE. Now that's some serious psychopath stuff.
DAI is kind of in between.
Random killing is... psychopathic, mental illness. Not necessary ruthless. Side, I can always blame the darkspwan blood in ma veins. 
Oh no Mordin was my best bud. We were super tight. I felt awful having to kill him, but it was necessary. Selling your family and friends into sexual slavery is a far worse betrayal, though, because at least there's a reason, however monstrous, to kill Mordin. There ain't no reason to sell people into slavery.
In the City Elf origin, you hardly know those NPC enough to care. It only made me feel unsettling and I I have no problem living with that decision. At worst I am just a pimp. Besides, one can always justify that there is nothing they can do. What's done is done and it is better to take the money as compensation.
In the case of Mordin, regardless of your justifications, you betrayed someone who followed you to hell and back only to die by your hands, denying his last wish to right his job, his responsibilities. Here, you are at the very least a backstabbing traitor as oppose to just a pimp.
Wait, so shooting a friend who is purposefully jeopardizing your efforts to save the galaxy is much worse than selling your own cousin and other women into sex slavery?
....seriously? Are you seriously trying to argue that selling innocent women into sex slavery against their will makes you nothing worse than a pimp?
Wait, so shooting a friend who is purposefully jeopardizing your efforts to save the galaxy is much worse than selling your own cousin and other women into sex slavery?
....seriously? Are you seriously trying to argue that selling innocent women into sex slavery against their will just makes you a pimp?
I think we should stop the discussion here before a mod comes 
Wait, so shooting a friend who is purposefully jeopardizing your efforts to save the galaxy is much worse than selling your own cousin and other women into sex slavery?
....seriously? Are you seriously trying to argue that selling innocent women into sex slavery against their will just makes you a pimp?
You were offered money in the aftermath. In the context of the game, you could refuse the offer and kill the Arl's son and maybe put the entire alienage at risk. You did not take money and then sell them. That is not a reason?
p/s: City elves are already slaves. The nobles just take them whenever they want and never once had to pay until now... well they still didnt pay because evidently the official records says that "Elven whores broke into his castle and stole the money"
Spoilerused it once... and it was hilarous
omg what. i have so much reason to play this game again.
the lack of the murder knife has genuinely been bothering me since day 1...this sounds too perfect.
I'm most of the way through the game, and I I have been a little concerned about my evil" playthrough - which I usually do second. My impression has been most of the dialog options, instead of being "nice, funny, or mean" are all just three different things to say/questions to ask.
At this point its almost like my varying reasons to replay the game are going to be race/gender/romance based, instead of by themes (evil, devout, sleep-with-everyone)
You were offered money in the aftermath. In the context of the game, you could refuse the offer and kill the Arl's son and maybe put the entire alienage at risk. You did not take money and then sell them. That is not a reason?
p/s: City elves are already slaves. The nobles just take them whenever they want and never once had to pay until now... well they still didnt pay because evidently the official records says that "Elven whores broke into his castle and stole the money"
But you were just arguing that regardless of justification, shooting Mordin makes you a monster. Killing arl's son does have consequences. A bunch of soldiers come to try and arrest the people responsible for storming the castle. It didn't look like they were going to burn down the entire alienage. I mean, if you're concerned about the greater good, then why are you against shooting Mordin? Shepard warns him repeatedly to stand down or be shot. Mordin ignored Shepard's warnings and was killed as a result. It was a decision that affected not a single group of people but the ENTIRE friggin galaxy. Either shoot your friend and get Salarian support for the war while simultaneously preventing a future conflict with the Krogran or to let your friend die anyways but in the process, weaken your war effort. You get no Salarian aid and now have to deal with a possible shitstorm with the Krogan if a bunch of clans suddenly decided to break away from Wrex in the future.
Uhm
You can kill Leliana (Sacred Ashes), Wynne (Mage Tower and Sacred Ashes), Shale (Deep Roads), Zevran (When you meet him), Oghren (Low approval), Sten (Low approval or you can just abandon him. It's the same thing), Alistair (Execution post-Landsmeet), Morrigan (Eluvian), Dog (Not cure the mabari hounds).
But you were just arguing that regardless of justification, shooting Mordin makes you a monster. Killing arl's son does have consequences. A bunch of soldiers come to try and arrest the people responsible for storming the castle. It didn't look like they were going to burn down the entire alienage. I mean, if you're concerned about the greater good, then why are you against shooting Mordin? Shepard warns him repeatedly to stand down or be shot. Mordin ignored Shepard's warnings and was killed as a result. It was a decision that affected not a single group of people but the ENTIRE friggin galaxy. Either shoot your friend and get Salarian support for the war while simultaneously preventing a future conflict with the Krogran or to let your friend die anyways but in the process, weaken your war effort. You get no Salarian aid and now have to deal with a possible shitstorm with the Krogan if a bunch of clans suddenly decided to break away from Wrex in the future.
The difference is, circumstances that leads to ultimately having to shoot Mordin is made by Shepard. You could talk him down, you could force him to do it your way, you could convince him to do it your way if you hadnt been indecisive, if you had been consistent with your command. If I had to shoot him, it will be because of my own failures, my own decisions, and I have to perform a long list of them I must add to fail so bad. It sums up to, I screwed up so badly that I need to kill someone to... maybe make right?
In DAO, I accepted the money in one play through because I wanted to just get my cousin out of there, get those people out of there. I have not problem killing him but there are many things to consider. It is just not the right place and right moment. It never comes down to "selling them as sex slaves" because I cannot sell what I dont have.
As for predicting the future of what they Krogans may or may not do, that is not for the greater good. That is exactly what the Reapers stands for and what Shepard is fighting against. Kill them because of what might happen. That is not greater good, that is either pure stupidity or pure evil.
The difference is, circumstances that leads to ultimately having to shoot Mordin is made by Shepard. You could talk him down, you could force him to do it your way, you could convince him to do it your way if you hadnt been indecisive, if you had been consistent with your command. If I had to shoot him, it will be because of my own failures, my own decisions, and I have to perform a long list of them I must add to fail so bad.
In DAO, I accepted the money in one play through because I wanted to just get my cousin out of there, get those people out of there. I have not problem killing him but there are many things to consider. It is just not the right time and right moment. It never comes down to "selling them as sex slaves" because I cannot sell what I dont have.
As for predicting the future of what they Krogans may or may not do, that is not for the greater good. That is exactly what the Reapers stands for and what Shepard is fighting against. Kill them because of what might happen. That is not greater good, that is either pure stupidity or pure evil.
Actually there's only one way to get Mordin to back down, and that actually involves you messing up badly.
Also I'm not going to justify my action as anything but evil, but to say it is stupid is wrong. It's overly cautious to the point of genocide, but it's not like Shepard made the decision lightly. Shepard feels TERRIBLE about it afterwards, and in my game I had to think long and hard about the choice.
Damn was that one hard moment for me to watch.
Actually there's only one way to get Mordin to back down, and that actually involves you messing up badly.
Also I'm not going to justify my action as anything but evil, but to say it is stupid is wrong. It's overly cautious to the point of genocide, but it's not like Shepard made the decision lightly. Shepard feels TERRIBLE about it afterwards, and in my game I had to think long and hard about the choice.
Damn was that one hard moment for me to watch.
I believe you only have to decide to destroy the cure research in ME2 and is either strong renegade or paragon to talk him into playing along. Of course, screwing up more just makes it easier to tell Mordin to stage his death and go work on the Crucible.
ME simply makes us feel bad because it is a Trilogy and we grew more attached to the crew of Normandy with each instalment. Decisions that leads to Tali's death.. Legion's death... if it come to that, those are all my decisions and when I had to make a ruthless decision to have companions pay for my mistakes... I simply cannot find excuses for myself. Luckily I barely made enough right to avoid that 
The difference is, circumstances that leads to ultimately having to shoot Mordin is made by Shepard. You could talk him down, you could force him to do it your way, you could convince him to do it your way if you hadnt been indecisive, if you had been consistent with your command. If I had to shoot him, it will be because of my own failures, my own decisions, and I have to perform a long list of them I must add to fail so bad. It sums up to, I screwed up so badly that I need to kill someone to... maybe make right?
In DAO, I accepted the money in one play through because I wanted to just get my cousin out of there, get those people out of there. I have not problem killing him but there are many things to consider. It is just not the right place and right moment. It never comes down to "selling them as sex slaves" because I cannot sell what I dont have.
As for predicting the future of what they Krogans may or may not do, that is not for the greater good. That is exactly what the Reapers stands for and what Shepard is fighting against. Kill them because of what might happen. That is not greater good, that is either pure stupidity or pure evil.
You can only talk Mordin down if both Wrex and Eve are dead. When playing Mass Effect 1, there was no way of me knowing that one day, Wrex would become the leader of the Krogan clans. Seriously, there was no evidence in ME1 to indicate that Wrex was interested in a position of leadership over the Krogan. If anything, he said he gave up all hope for his people. When playing Mass Effect 2, I couldn't have known that Mordin would suddenly go from being pro-genophage to actively trying to cure it. I chose to keep Wrex alive in Mass Effect 1 because he was a valuable ally. I did however, use the renegade persuasion to talk him down. So there is no inconsistency there. I kept him alive because he was valuable. In Mass Effect 2, I destroyed Maelon's data because my Shepard was pro-genophage. Especially since Mordin himself mentions in ME2 that the genophage is not equivalent to genocide but is rather a means to prevent a Krogan population explosion. EDI herself mentions how insane Krogan birth rates are in ME3 and how many problems it could cause. She says that if even 1% of 1 billion females become fertile, they could produce 10 billion infants in a year. Or something like that. Using the genophage was a rational decision to stop the Kograns from taking over the galaxy.
Now fast forward to Mass Effect 3 and suddenly, I'm trying to cure the genophage. I don't like it but I'm doing it because I need the Krogan as allies. The Salarians suddenly offered me a deal to sabotage the cure, get Salarian aid AND keep the Krogan as allies. The problem now is that even though Eve dies due to the lack of Maelon's data, Wrex is still alive. There is no way for me to talk down Mordin. My only decision is to shoot him. There is no inconsistency or failure there. My Shepard was entirely consistent the whole way through. Keeping Wrex alive in ME1 did not contradict anything. He was a useful ally. I don't hate the Kogran, i just don't trust them to form a stable government and to live peacefully with other species should they ever be cured of the genophage. Even in ME2, when you arrive at Tuchanka, you can hear some banter from two krogan who talk about how much they despise the Turians and Salarians. There is obviously alot of resentment among the Krogan against the people who attacked them with the genophage. How could Wrex possibly keep control of an entire species? Don't you remember Uvenk from ME2? Its obvious that not all clans support Wrex. Is it not possible that certain Krogan clans will break off and proceed to attack other species? The galaxy wouldn't be in a strong state to fight back and the Krogan would have the advantage of having an insane birth rate. Its completely plausible that a Krogan uprising could occur based on what we've seen of the Krogan in game and on their history.
Keep in mind that shooting Mordin is not only about sabotaging the cure but ALSO about getting Salarian aid. How is that not a rational choice? When the galaxy is on the brink of extinction, you need all the allies you can get. My Shepard was offered a deal to keep both the Salarians and the Krogan. That is a rational choice for the greater good. It isn't evil. If you think this is evil, then you might as well call the US evil for using the atomic bombs even though they ended the war with Japan.
Selling the Elven women to the Arl's son however is an act of greed and selfishness. You stormed the castle to save those women and now you suddenly turn around because the rapist offered you some coin? How could you possible think that that is more justified that shooting one friend and sabotaging the cure to gain crucial support for your war effort? You've already put the alienage in danger by attacking the castle. The Arl's son isn't exactly known for being an honourable man so how do you know he will just keep his word and forgive you? Its even possible that the Arl's son could convince his dad to be harsher on the elves based on what he suffered at your hands. Atleast getting rid of him would remove one powerful anti-elven political figure. We don't know much about the Arl himself. Atleast I don't remember anything. Is he as bad as his son? We have no reason to think he will suddenly destroy the alienage. You even see some soldiers coming to arrest the people responsible for storming the castle. They didn't look they were there to raze everything to the ground.
You can only talk Mordin down if both Wrex and Eve are dead. When playing Mass Effect 1, there was no way of me knowing that one day, Wrex would become the leader of the Krogan clans. Seriously, there was no evidence in ME1 to indicate that Wrex was interested in a position of leadership over the Krogan. If anything, he said he gave up all hope for his people. When playing Mass Effect 2, I couldn't have known that Mordin would suddenly go from being pro-genophage to actively trying to cure it. I chose to keep Wrex alive in Mass Effect 1 because he was a valuable ally. I did however, use the renegade persuasion to talk him down. So there is no inconsistency there. I kept him alive because he was valuable. In Mass Effect 2, I destroyed Maelon's data because my Shepard was pro-genophage. Especially since Mordin himself mentions in ME2 that the genophage is not equivalent to genocide but is rather a means to prevent a Krogan population explosion. EDI herself mentions how insane Krogan birth rates are in ME3 and how many problems it could cause. She says that if even 1% of 1 billion females become fertile, they could produce 10 billion infants in a year. Or something like that. Using the genophage was a rational decision to stop the Kograns from taking over the galaxy.
Now fast forward to Mass Effect 3 and suddenly, I'm trying to cure the genophage. I don't like it but I'm doing it because I need the Krogan as allies. The Salarians suddenly offered me a deal to sabotage the cure, get Salarian aid AND keep the Krogan as allies. The problem now is that even though Eve dies due to the lack of Maelon's data, Wrex is still alive. There is no way for me to talk down Mordin. My only decision is to shoot him. There is no inconsistency or failure there. My Shepard was entirely consistent the whole way through. Keeping Wrex alive in ME1 did not contradict anything. He was a useful ally. I don't hate the Kogran, i just don't trust them to form a stable government and to live peacefully with other species should they ever be cured of the genophage. Even in ME2, when you arrive at Tuchanka, you can hear some banter from two krogan who talk about how much they despise the Turians and Salarians. There is obviously alot of resentment among the Krogan against the people who attacked them with the genophage. How could Wrex possibly keep control of an entire species? Is it not possible that certain Krogan clans will break off and proceed to attack other species? The galaxy wouldn't be in a strong state to fight back and the Krogan would have the advantage of having an insane birth rate. Its completely plausible that a Krogan uprising could occur based on what we've seen of the Krogan in game and on their history.
Keep in mind that shooting Mordin is not only about sabotaging the cure but ALSO about getting Salarian aid. How is that not a rational choice? When the galaxy is on the brink of extinction, you need all the allies you can get. My Shepard was offered a deal to keep both the Salarians and the Krogan. That is a rational choice for the greater good. It isn't evil. If you think this is evil, then you might as well call the US evil for using the atomic bombs even though they ended the war with Japan.
Selling the Elven women to the Arl's son however is an act of greed and selfishness. You stormed the castle to save those women and now you suddenly turn around because the rapist offered you some coin? How could you possible think that that is more justified that shooting one friend to gain crucial support for your war effort?
Though I made the choice myself, I would definitely call it an act of evil, just a ruthlessly necessary act of evil. (Also I would also call the atomic bombings "Highly Morally Questionable")
But yeah there's no comparison. One choice is a hard, utilitarian choice that is obviously not the good choice but is meant to keep a problem from growing unchecked. The other is "lol I'm evil keep these women"
You can only talk Mordin down if both Wrex and Eve are dead. When playing Mass Effect 1, there was no way of me knowing that one day, Wrex would become the leader of the Krogan clans. Seriously, there was no evidence in ME1 to indicate that Wrex was interested in a position of leadership over the Krogan. If anything, he said he gave up all hope for his people. When playing Mass Effect 2, I couldn't have known that Mordin would suddenly go from being pro-genophage to actively trying to cure it. I chose to keep Wrex alive in Mass Effect 1 because he was a valuable ally. I did however, use the renegade persuasion to talk him down. So there is no inconsistency there. I kept him alive because he was valuable. In Mass Effect 2, I destroyed Maelon's data because my Shepard was pro-genophage. Especially since Mordin himself mentions in ME2 that the genophage is not equivalent to genocide but is rather a means to prevent a Krogan population explosion. EDI herself mentions how insane Krogan birth rates are in ME3 and how many problems it could cause. She says that if even 1% of 1 billion females become fertile, they could produce 10 billion infants in a year. Or something like that. Using the genophage was a rational decision to stop the Kograns from taking over the galaxy.
Now fast forward to Mass Effect 3 and suddenly, I'm trying to cure the genophage. I don't like it but I'm doing it because I need the Krogan as allies. The Salarians suddenly offered me a deal to sabotage the cure, get Salarian aid AND keep the Krogan as allies. The problem now is that even though Eve dies due to the lack of Maelon's data, Wrex is still alive. There is no way for me to talk down Mordin. My only decision is to shoot him. There is no inconsistency or failure there. My Shepard was entirely consistent the whole way through. Keeping Wrex alive in ME1 did not contradict anything. He was a useful ally. I don't hate the Kogran, i just don't trust them to form a stable government and to live peacefully with other species should they ever be cured of the genophage. Even in ME2, when you arrive at Tuchanka, you can hear some banter from two krogan who talk about how much they despise the Turians and Salarians. There is obviously alot of resentment among the Krogan against the people who attacked them with the genophage. How could Wrex possibly keep control of an entire species? Don't you remember Uvenk from ME2? Its obvious that not all clans support Wrex. Is it not possible that certain Krogan clans will break off and proceed to attack other species? The galaxy wouldn't be in a strong state to fight back and the Krogan would have the advantage of having an insane birth rate. Its completely plausible that a Krogan uprising could occur based on what we've seen of the Krogan in game and on their history.
Keep in mind that shooting Mordin is not only about sabotaging the cure but ALSO about getting Salarian aid. How is that not a rational choice? When the galaxy is on the brink of extinction, you need all the allies you can get. My Shepard was offered a deal to keep both the Salarians and the Krogan. That is a rational choice for the greater good. It isn't evil. If you think this is evil, then you might as well call the US evil for using the atomic bombs even though they ended the war with Japan.
Selling the Elven women to the Arl's son however is an act of greed and selfishness. You stormed the castle to save those women and now you suddenly turn around because the rapist offered you some coin? How could you possible think that that is more justified that shooting one friend and sabotaging the cure to gain crucial support for your war effort? You've already put the alienage in danger by attacking the castle. The Arl's son isn't exactly known for being an honourable man so how do you know he will just keep his word and forgive you? Its even possible that the Arl's son could convince his dad to be harsher on the elves based on what he suffered at your hands. Atleast getting rid of him would remove one powerful anti-elven political figure. We don't know much about the Arl himself. Atleast I don't remember anything. Is he as bad as his son? We have no reason to think he will suddenly destroy the alienage. You even see some soldiers coming to arrest the people responsible for storming the castle. They didn't look they were there to raze everything to the ground.
DAO. I am not selling anything. The Arl's son said: Take some money and leave. Take them with you. Them not razing the Alienage to the ground is the aftermath and you would not know when you are making that decision and even if they dont, the nobilities, the Arl will not take likely to lowly elf scum killing one of them, their son. More will follow.
See in your ME universe, you are the one who made all the choices that lead to that ultimate tragedy. In DAO, I am not responsible for how the nobles are treating elves. I am merely responding to things that others do.
My reasoning is, tactically the Salarians are not front line fighters and their are special ops and well that does not work well against Reapers. I can do without them. In ME1 I made the decision not to play God. I released the Rachni Queen because I am no Reaper and I will not punish people or commit genocide for what they may do. I then realize that there is a chance that the Rachni maybe a problem, so I supported a cure for the genophage. Need the Krogans to be alive and well just in case the Rachni come back and bite me; they didnt. Later I did everything to gain the Geth for more diversity and check and balance.
Now, my universe has Rachni, Krogans and Geth. My idea of "check and balance" for what comes after the Reaper war and that decision was made way back in ME1, well the Geth was a plus in ME2 and I am glad all turned out well without me playing God, without me being a hypocrite fighting the Reapers when I actually supported their ideals
So, as I say, in -my- universe, having to shoot Mordin from behind is unacceptable. 
Though I made the choice myself, I would definitely call it an act of evil, just a ruthlessly necessary act of evil. (Also I would also call the atomic bombings "Highly Morally Questionable")
But yeah there's no comparison. One choice is a hard, utilitarian choice that is obviously not the good choice but is meant to keep a problem from growing unchecked. The other is "lol I'm evil keep these women"
I am pretty sure... he offered to let me take everyone away, forget the whole thing and 100 sovereigns for me to just leave. 100 sovereigns in DAO is a fortune
He never kept those women
DAO. I am not selling anything. The Arl's son said: Take some money and leave. Take them with you. Them not razing the Alienage to the ground is the aftermath and you would not know when you are making that decision and even if they dont, the nobilities, the Arl will not take likely to lowly elf scum killing one of them, their son. More will follow.
See in your ME universe, you are the one who made all the choices that lead to that ultimate tragedy. In DAO, I am not responsible for how the nobles are treating elves. I am merely responding to things that others do.
My reasoning is, tactically the Salarians are not front line fighters and their are special ops and well that does not work well against Reapers. I can do without them. In ME1 I made the decision not to play God. I released the Rachni Queen because I am no Reaper and I will not punish people or commit genocide for what they may do. I then realize that there is a chance that the Rachni maybe a problem, so I supported a cure for the genophage. Need the Krogans to be alive and well just in case the Rachni come back and bite me; they didnt. Later I did everything to gain the Geth for more diversity and check and balance.
Now, my universe has Rachni, Krogans and Geth. My idea of "check and balance" for what comes after the Reaper war and that decision was made way back in ME1, well the Geth was a plus in ME2 and I am glad all turned out well without me playing God, without me being a hypocrite fighting the Reapers when I actually supported their ideals
So, as I say, in -my- universe, having to shoot Mordin from behind is unacceptable.
If you accept the guy's offer, you leave the women with him. How is that not selling them into slavery? I don't recall the option of taking his money, keeping him alive AND getting the women out there. I guess it could be some kind of persuasion option but that's not what I was talking about this whole time. I was talking about the decision where you take the guys money and leave your cousin and the other women behind for him and his men to rape. You have a fair point about not knowing the results of your decisions but at the same time, I just don't understand why you would consider letting your cousin and those women get raped fine but shooting your friend totally out of the question. You say you are willing to live with the risks associated with curing the genophage, keeping the Queen alive and rejecting Salarian aid.Then why are you not willing to risk possible retaliation from the Arl to save your cousin and the other women? It seems a little contradicting.
As for Mass Effect, it is all a matter of your own opinions. If are okay with the risks involved in curing the genophage or Keeping the Queen alive, that's up to you. To brush aside the Salarians because you think they are useless against the reapers is a little short sighted. I mean you do realize that the crucible project could greatly benifit from Salarian scientific expertise? That's really where the Salarians are strongest. One of the guys on Sur Kesh even says "science has always been our best defence". The strength of the Salarian doesn't come from their front line troops but from their technology and brilliance. Its also not fair to say that the STG wouldn't be helpful against the reapers. These were the same guys that developed the genophage after all. Who knows what else they could come up with? I'm sure their expertise could be helpful in developing new weapons and technologies to fight against Reapers and their troops.
Also, to compare renegade shepard to the Reapers is a bit of a stretch. Shepard isn't actively tying to wipe out all life and preserve them in the form of genetic information with a machine. He is trying to save as many people as possible just like paragon Shepard. In fact one could argue that renegade Shepard could save more people than paragons do. After all, the point of renegade shepard is about the greater good. There's one conversation with Garrus that really summarizes what renegade shepard is all about. Garrus asks Shepard if he's willing to make the hard decisions such as "sacrificing 10 billion people here so another 20 billion could live over there". Renegade Shepard says "if all life in the galaxy disappears, what choice do we have?"
If you accept the guy's offer, you leave the women with him. How is that not selling them into slavery? I don't recall the option of taking his money, keeping him alive AND getting the women out there. I guess it could be some kind of persuasion option but that's not what I was talking about this whole time. I was talking about the decision where you take the guys money and leave your cousin and the other women behind for him and his men to rape. You have a fair point about not knowing the results of your decisions but at the same time, I just don't understand why you would consider letting your cousin and those women get raped is fine but shooting your friend is totally out of the question. You say you are willing to live with the risks associated with curing the genophage, keeping the Queen alive and rejecting Salarian aid.Then why are you not willing to risk possible retaliation from the Arl to save your cousin and the other women? It seems a little contradicting.
As for Mass Effect, it is all a matter of your own opinions. If are okay with the risks involved in curing the genophage or Keeping the Queen alive, that's up to you. To brush aside the Salarians because you think they are useless against the reapers is a little short sighted. I mean you do realize that the crucible project could greatly benifit from Salarian scientific expertise? That's really where the Salarians are strongest. One of the guys on Sur Kesh even says "science has always been our best defence". The strength of the Salarian doesn't come from their front line troops but from their technology and brilliance. Its also not fair to say that the STG wouldn't be helpful against the reapers. These were the same guys that developed the genophage after all. Who knows what else they could come up with? I'm sure their expertise could be helpful in developing new weapons and technologies to fight against Reapers and their troops.
No. I left with them after accepting his offer. My conversation is I threaten to kill him until him said: Dont kill me, take the money and leave and pretend none of this happen. Or kill him and risk his father's retribution. I then walk back to the alienage with my cousin and the others. So... unless you took his 1st offer... which... has nothing to do with ruthlessness, just bad bargaining skills
We definitely have different opinion about how useful the Salarians are -but- betraying Mordin for a "possibility" is definitely evil. In DAO, I am simply salvaging a situation.
In the City Elf origin, you hardly know those NPC enough to care. It only made me feel unsettling and I I have no problem living with that decision. At worst I am just a pimp. Besides, one can always justify that there is nothing they can do. What's done is done and it is better to take the money as compensation.
In the case of Mordin, regardless of your justifications, you betrayed someone who followed you to hell and back only to die by your hands, denying his last wish to right his job, his responsibilities. Here, you are at the very least a backstabbing traitor as oppose to just a pimp.
erm what. Selling women including your cousin to be raped and murdered. Totally simply ''unsettling'' or ''at worst, a pimp'' (as if being a pimp isn't bad?) I feel sorry for the women in your life.
I am pretty sure... he offered to let me take everyone away, forget the whole thing and 100 sovereigns for me to just leave. 100 sovereigns in DAO is a fortune
He never kept those women
But you DO have the option of leaving the women with him. That's the choice I brought up initially.
No. I left with them after accepting his offer. My conversation is I threaten to kill him until him said: Dont kill me, take the money and leave and pretend none of this happen. Or kill him and risk his father's retribution. I then walk back to the alienage with my cousin and the others. So... unless you took his 1st offer... which... has nothing to do with ruthlessness, just bad bargaining skills
We definitely have different opinion about how useful the Salarians are -but- betraying Mordin for a "possibility" is definitely evil. In DAO, I am simply salvaging a situation.
Well now you're completely changing the point of this debate. What I initially said was that in DAO, you have the option of leaving the women with him to get raped. That's what we were talking about, not this additional option of taking the women away. The point is that you can be ruthless enough to leave the women with him all for a little bit of coin. That's the decision I was comparing to shooting Mordin.
Also, the "possibility" is a rational prediction based on how the Krogan have been portrayed in game and what we know about their history. Besides, my primary reasoning for making that choice is Salarian aid.
erm what. Selling women including your cousin to be raped and murdered. Totally simply ''unsettling'' or ''at worst, a pimp'' (as if being a pimp isn't bad?) I feel sorry for the women in your life.
But you DO have the option of leaving the women with him. That's the choice I brought up initially.
I seriously am unaware that option existed because I always walk away with the women and the money 
Probably due to my habit of always putting points in persuasion during character creation in DAO
Well now you're completely changing the point of this debate. What I initially said was that in DAO, you have the option of leaving the women with him to get raped. That's what we were talking about, not this additional option of taking the women away. The point is that you can be ruthless enough to leave the women with him all for a little bit of coin. That's the decision I was comparing to shooting Mordin.
Also, the "possibility" is a rational prediction based on how the Krogan have been portrayed in game and what we know about their history. Besides, my primary reasoning for making that choice is Salarian aid.
And the Salarians are the source of all these problems by uplifting species that are not ready. They are the ones who uplifted the Krogans and they are still doing so to other races. I got Salarian help as well, just not their entire fleet
And the Salarians are the source of all these problems by uplifting species that are not ready. They are the ones who uplifted the Krogans and they are still doing so to other races. I got Salarian help as well, just not their entire fleet
I'm not aware of any other races that they are still trying to uplift. I would assume that they would learn their lesson from the shitstorm that was the Krogan rebellions. But seriously though, while uplifting the Krogan was stupid, it was however, done to fight the Rachni. It was the Krogans that turned the tide against the Rachni so it worked out for them in the end. The mess with the krogans was also solved with the genophage. Yeah, things got really messed up but the alternative could have been alot worse.
Yeah, you got Salarian aid but as you said, you didn't get their entire fleet. At the same time, I couldn't have known that Wrex would find out about the sabotage. We both get screwed over in a way but the difference is that I don't have to worry about a future Krogan rebellion and you don't have to worry about the Krogan's becoming an endangered species or worse. They both have their ups and downs.
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