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[Dutchess]

They never intended to revisit the warden, which is true.  But it is also a huge problem to write an NPC version of a self insert template.  The range of "types" the warden could be is ginormous.  Hawke basically has 3 dialogue sets.  The HoF could be a blood mage who attacks the chantry and murdered Leilana or   a super righteous paragon fluffy bunny hero.  And lots of things in between.  There's no way you could write dialogue that would make most people say "oh yeah, that's my warden."  

 

Hawke could be a blood mage too. Bioware happily stomps on that and lets Hawke spew anti-blood magic propaganda, so I doubt that's the reason. After Hawke I'm just glad if they leave the Warden alone.

[dsl08002]

I can say this for a starters im would give anything to play as my warden one final time!

I was not completely happy with the advisor mission that concerns the warden. think it could have been more. But I was really satisfied with the amount of references we got from characters for example Dagna and (romanced)Leliana.

But I find two logical problems with the reason the warden disappeared. you try to find a cure for the calling more likely a personal mission given what leliana said and im happy with that but........

"Duty must come first", so if this is a personal mission you would simply drop everything and make haste to skyhold regardless of obstacles.

Second when talking to Cassandra when she confronts varric about hawke, she said that they were looking for the warden first but he had disappeared, but if that was the case then Leliana shouldn't know how to contact the HoF. otherwise she would have done that a long time ago.

[Taleroth]

i need a decent ending for close the story with the warden.

He's had three!

 

The only ending he can get that will be any more significant is death.

[day83]

They should have just killed The Warden off during the Adamant Fortress battle once and for all. 

[Ibn_Shisha]

In the Forgotten Realms there's a bunch of really powerful heroes like Elminster, Khelben Arunsun, and Drizzt Do'urden. It's kind of a running idea amongst players that the setting is bad because these heroes should be able to solve just about any problem that comes up.

 

They could just show up in the middle of the campaign, vanguish the bad guy, and save the day.

 

But they don't. You know why? Because they're not the heroes of the campaign, the players are. The campaign isn't about Elminster, it's about the characters created by the four dudes at the table for this campaign. Trying to be heroic, playing together, and doing some fantastic stuff.

 

Now imagine if instead of Elminster or Drizzt the DM takes your character sheet from the last campaign and decides to have that guy butt in instead. Stealing all the spotlight from your new character and badly playing your old.

 

I could barely stand it when my DM's used their original NPCs to show up my character.

Ever played the ToT modules?  (shudders)

[moxiegraphix]

it is not only just that its the mission that the warden sets off for. sure finding the cure for the calling sounds personally important. but if your warden would receive a message regarding that they need help against a enemy that could destroy the world. You would have dropped everything you were doing and traveled as fast as you could back to ferelden.

I Still believe that bioware might be saving the warden for a special occasion.

 

The Calling is also part of the problem with the Wardens, if you recall. Maybe finding a cure for the Calling is a lot more than just personal.

[Navoletti]

We considered it.

 

In the end, there were simply too many variables, too many issues with implementation that would have made the net worth of physically including the Warden problematic for the very people that said inclusion would ostensibly have been for, and, ultimately, we didn't want to.

David Gaider why you not acept my messages,i respect in all messages.

 

"The member David Gaider has chosen to not receive any new messages from you"

 

what is your problem i respect all developers and never use a bad language i only question for the plot holes of the game and the coincidence of the ending of da2 warden/champion dissapearences...look david i respect much you story and books but i need a little response we have a chance for have a customization of warden same of hawke?

 

hawke have a very treatment and warden is ignored...really with this attitude of bioware i think much times "bioware hate the warden popularity"

 

 

i hope you response i respect much you story and i hope you respect my curiosity

[Navoletti]

I can say this for a starters im would give anything to play as my warden one final time!

I was not completely happy with the advisor mission that concerns the warden. think it could have been more. But I was really satisfied with the amount of references we got from characters for example Dagna and (romanced)Leliana.

But I find two logical problems with the reason the warden disappeared. you try to find a cure for the calling more likely a personal mission given what leliana said and im happy with that but........

"Duty must come first", so if this is a personal mission you would simply drop everything and make haste to skyhold regardless of obstacles.

Second when talking to Cassandra when she confronts varric about hawke, she said that they were looking for the warden first but he had disappeared, but if that was the case then Leliana shouldn't know how to contact the HoF. otherwise she would have done that a long time ago.

hey friend send a message for david Gaider with this and respond what is the state,i check for send other message with wardens questions and he block my messages.

[dsl08002]

hey David Gaider you never respond my question in twitter,please now you are online and now i need a response for end with this cause in my life,i hope for see my warden much years after DA2 Ending and the coincidence of the dissapearences of the warden and hawke...and now in the game the coincidence is a nice plot hole...
 
 
well David my friend we the warden fans have a chance of see him in other game or dlc,future content expansion etc?i need a decent ending for close the story with the warden.
 
hawke fans only have a importance for bioware?why Bioware and writers hate the warden and ignore the story of him?
 
hero of ferelden/warden orlesian is important for much people.
 
 
please respond i send much twitters and messages and you never respond please,they close my post and i have much warning points for this i question and need a response.
 
 
 
sorry for my english.

Im all for the warden but even if they released a DLc it wouldn't be enough, I would want a full game with the warden one final bloddy time and I would give everything for that. I want to experience the same you had in DAI kind of intimacy and romantic involvment with leliana or morrigan. Then you face your consequences of your actions and so on.

But if it is not happening the na dlc could be enough.

[Statulos]

I can see a ton issues with the voice. Even if you take the idea that well, he/she cured the calling for him and lost the voice in the process, you´d still need someone to speak for him (Leliana, Morrigan, Alister, Zevran...) so that would be a terrible hassle.

 

I, however, would have loved to see him besides Morrigan or Leliana perhaps making any of them blush a bit; particularly nice in the case of Morrigan.

 

By the way, I absolutely love the way a Morrigan in love has been handled: she´s still tough as nails but the part of "my warden" and being defensive about their intimacy (getting anoyed and ashamed by being loved in public, missing the warden a lot at the same time and respecting him as an equal) sounded just fantastic and very apropriate.

[dsl08002]

hey friend send a message for david Gaider with this and respond what is the state,i check for send other message with wardens questions and he block my messages.

He would simply block out my messages mate (lol)

"Not another one" he would say

[Navoletti]

He would simply block out my messages mate (lol)

"Not another one" he would say

Is clearly David Gaider Block all messages of The wardens Fans people,really he hate the warden,after of this attitude is clear..

[CloudCloudCloud]

I need a decent ending for close the story with the warden.

 

DAO and Awakenign weren't enough?

 

What do you want, a story about about the warden coming in and saving the day?

 

Oh wait, my warden is a crazy blood mage who hates the chantry.

 

Oh wait, mine is an elf who doesn't care about anyone but his people and himself.

 

Oh wait, he's the king of ferelden with a rather sarcastic personality.

 

Oh wait, he's a complete douche!

[Bfler]

The only ending he can get that will be any more significant is death.

 

The Calling DLC. Slash your way through hordes of darkspawn and die in a blaze of glory.

[Heimdall]

We considered it.
 
In the end, there were simply too many variables, too many issues with implementation that would have made the net worth of physically including the Warden problematic for the very people that said inclusion would ostensibly have been for, and, ultimately, we didn't want to.

Thank you very much Mr. Gaider.

I love it when devs confirm that they came to the same conclusion I've been arguing for... Well years at this point.

[Navoletti]

Im all for the warden but even if they released a DLc it wouldn't be enough, I would want a full game with the warden one final bloddy time and I would give everything for that. I want to experience the same you had in DAI kind of intimacy and romantic involvment with leliana or morrigan. Then you face your consequences of your actions and so on.

But if it is not happening the na dlc could be enough.

yeah i understood after of the response of david gaider in this post the rumours of the cancelation of the warden cameo scenes is more true,i remember see in a twitter of patrik tweeks and in a message he talk of a bad decisions in the game and this decisions is a before and after in the game,he talk of a very cancelation sad of a character...i suspect is the warden and after the message of david gaider in the post really i feel a depression

[Heimdall]

Is clearly David Gaider Block all messages of The wardens Fans people,really he hate the warden,after of this attitude is clear..

Or maybe he just got annoyed when you flooded his inbox with "Wahwah, why you no include warden?!?!?" Messages?

[Taleroth]

The Calling DLC. Slash your way through hordes of darkspawn and die in a blaze of glory.

 

The current ending for my Warden is he ran away to another dimension with the woman he loves.

 

Running through tunnels until he goes mad would be dull.

[Butters158]

The Calling DLC. Slash your way through hordes of darkspawn and die in a blaze of glory.

 

By the end of all the Origins DLC, a level 35 warden was so invincible they'd probably kill all the Darkspawn

[Heimdall]

By the end of all the Origins DLC, a level 35 warden was so invincible they'd probably kill all the Darkspawn

And then solo both remaining Old Gods simultaneously

[LinksOcarina]

We considered it.

 

In the end, there were simply too many variables, too many issues with implementation that would have made the net worth of physically including the Warden problematic for the very people that said inclusion would ostensibly have been for, and, ultimately, we didn't want to.

 

I can only imagine if the Warden was included in the end. My god that choice would have been devastating. Still, that's a fair reason why. Too bad I guess. 

[Navoletti]

Or maybe he just got annoyed when you flooded his inbox with "Wahwah, why you no include warden?!?!?" Messages?

little guy with a woman fantasy of avatar(i have a girlfriend real) stop of you sarcastic messages ok.

[jellobell]

I just want to say that I'm really grateful that Bioware didn't bring back the Warden, and I hope that there won't be any Warden DLC or anything. The Warden's story is over. They had a satisfying conclusion. Keeping them out of the spotlight while hinting that they're doing something important (and thus letting us imagine what they're doing) is the best way to go about it, imo. Nailing down anything about the Warden is just going to interfere with people's visions of them.

[Kenshen]

 

Creating some cool scenes with the warden would have been possible anyway, like making them appear in battle or during the ball in Orlais or something. A masked warden dancing with the inquisitor, now that's something I wanted to see. But alas, they chose not to.

 

I like this idea but wouldn't it still require the warden to be voiced or is it just a simple dance.  Not sure why that would happen without a word said but using the mask to cover the appearance is sneaky smart.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The persecution complex is strong in this thread.