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[Cylan Cooper]

If the warden had been in the game, there'd be numerous threads talking about how Bioware Revaned him. At least what they're doing at the moment coincides with a trait that a warden who lived must have. They didn't want to die, so they did the dark ritual or let someone else die in their place. It makes sense that now, with only a decade left to live (that being a stretch), they'd be searching for a way to stay alive. If the Architect is left alive, it may very well be a goal they can achieve.

[NCR Deathsquad]

After playing the game I'm relieved our Warden wasn't, gawd knows what BioWare would've put him/her through! 

yeah i imagine they would of had us choose between hawke and the warden in the fade

[Higgins]

The warden couldn't have a solid part in the story as hawke did because in origins your warden could be dead.

 

hawke doesnt die in any playthrough.

 

At most he would make a quick appearance and leave.

[Vilegrim]

Because it would have been terrible. People who ask for him expect him to turn up every bit cliched heroic as they played him.
 
When just as likely they would have been madmen working for Corypheus that you kill in a mediocre boss fight for their pants. And the Arcane Warrior wardens would all be wearing robes.

Well my warden at least wasn't that heroic...you could tell by the trail of the dead npc's, possessed children, defiled piles of ash etc. on a moe serious note: you would have to give him a voice, which could cause massive problems for a start.

[Vilegrim]

yeah i imagine they would of had us choose between hawke and the warden in the fade

Easiest choice in the history of video games that one

[Ap0crypha]

Reminds me of Revan from SW Knights of the Old Republic.

 

God I hope the Warden doesn't end up like Revan. I still haven't forgiven Bioware and LucasArts for that little stunt.

[Bfler]

Cut Hinterlands, problem solved.

 

Maybe not the Hinterlands, because it's the area, where you can lvl up your low-lvl char, but e.q. Val Royeaux. Except of the initial sequence with the Wardens and the the Sera quest, the area doesn't have any importance. You could transfer both and the merchants to a different location.

Or the Forbidden Oasis. There is nothing to do here except of the doors with the shards, which, I guess, almost nobody collects, because it's too boring. You could transfer the temple to one of the other desert areas.

[dsl08002]

I think it is suffice to say that if the warden would return in some way, it has to be as a playable character. Otherwise if he/she returns as a NPC it would be horrible.

[Nyaore]

I think it is suffice to say that if the warden would return in some way, it has to be as a playable character. Otherwise if he/she returns as a NPC it would be horrible.

I know I'm going to receive flak for this, but after all the people demanding the Warden come back I'm kind of wishing they never do. I'm wholeheartedly done with them. Not saying people don't have a right to want what they want, just that I'm at the moment burnt out by it all.

[Nyaore]

Yea his story is done and I'd kind of wish they'd drop it already, next it will be the Inquisitor everyone is talking about and people will be raving about having him/her return and be playable/romanceable/killable to the whoever of DA4. 

Mhm, yet even with the Inquisitor it'd be easier. The Warden is literally a blank slate that any amount of actual face time inclusion for would cause the forums to implode in rage. It's just a **** storm waiting to happen for a character who is honestly the least interesting on their own, at least in my mind. Sure they can be the most interesting based on how your roleplay them, but from a pure character stand point there's nothing there. They're a canvas, the players are the ink, and it doesn't fit where they've been taking the series with the last two installments.

[KaiserShep]

The Warden should never come back as an NPC of any sort, in my opinion. Heck, not even as a playable character. All that will happen is that people will bemoan the Warden being subjected to the dreaded paraphrase wheel and an unwelcome voice actor(ess), which is obviously never going to go away ever.

[Inariele]

well i think, they do have the option for a dlc maybe, especially with the open warden plot at the end. no reason for a whole game, just let ppl say goodbye, either with a happy ending (at least my warden deserves one with alister) or by killing him/her off. then it would be a devinitive end and DA 4 can have a new hero without ppl complaining right?

[Nyaore]

I think whenever a Player Character is involved there will always be potential for a ragestorm. We will see when Dragon Age 4 is announced a few years from now people will start a new thread on the Inquisitor every day or every other day demanding that they return for this reason or the other while the other half will argue against it. I really kind of wish Bioware would take a cue from Bethesda and not import a previous hero to a new game, I mean the Nerevarine didn't pop up in Oblivion and I'm pretty sure the Dragonborn won't be appearing in TES VI. 

Of course my 'like' quota would rear it's ugly head again right as I see your post. You make a very good point, and frankly I liked how they handled the whole Nerevarine situation. No matter what, in canon they were gone to Akavir according to the rumor mill, but you just never knew and could pretend if you liked that your Hero of Kvatch truly was them instead if you truly couldn't imagine the next game without them. I sort of wish more people would do that these days, though I've already seen a few fanfictions pop up where the Inquisitor is in fact the Warden. If imagination is what made the Warden so grand, then why not use that to replace them for whatever protagonist comes next? But I'm being unfair, I know. 

 

well i think, they do have the option for a dlc maybe, especially with the open warden plot at the end. no reason for a whole game, just let ppl say goodbye, either with a happy ending (at least my warden deserves one with alister) or by killing him/her off. then it would be a devinitive end and DA 4 can have a new hero without ppl complaining right?

Problem is not everyone agrees on what the definitive end should be. Some like you feel it hasn't happened yet, where as for others the end occurred right after the Archdemon was slain. For me, I felt the end of every single Warden's story that I personally had occurred with Witch Hunt. There's just no place where everyone can agree that 'yes, this is where the Warden can be retired forever', and that's why people have such differing opinions on the matter.

[Inariele]

 

 

Problem is not everyone agrees on what the definitive end should be. Some like you feel it hasn't happened yet, where as for others the end occurred right after the Archdemon was slain. For me, I felt the end of every single Warden's story that I personally had occurred with Witch Hunt. There's just no place where everyone can agree that 'yes, this is where the Warden can be retired forever', and that's why people have such differing opinions on the matter.

 

thats why i think a dlc is a good option. maybe not together with the warden plot, maybe just finishing off the story about the calling. ppl who feel there story ended dont have to play it, and the other ones get an ending. personally i would have agreed with the witch hunt end,... if bioware hadnt said the warden vanished. but i can see where you come from

[Nyaore]

thats why i think a dlc is a good option. maybe not together with the warden plot, maybe just finishing off the story about the calling. ppl who feel there story ended dont have to play it, and the other ones get an ending. personally i would have agreed with the witch hunt end,... if bioware hadnt said the warden vanished. but i can see where you come from

And you as well, believe me can definitely understand wanting a story you feel is unfinished to be concluded. I do hope they do something to finally get the Warden and all the older protagonists out of the story, short of a time skip that would clear take us out of the actual Dragon Age and into a new Age instead. (Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I remember Ages are every 100 years.)

[dsl08002]

I honestly never did that with any of my characters, I feel like my Altmer truly is the new mad god and my Dovahkiin is looking for passage to Stros M'kai for some rum and exotic pleasures, needless to say their stories are done in my book
 
On the warden issue, I feel so bipolar regarding this; one minute I'm arguing that it's lazy writing/poor excuses on Bioware's part for not including the Warden but then praising them for not including him at the same time. I feel like the only variable that should be addressed is the Ultimate Sacrifice (because it most definitely includes a character death), meaning any other outcome (Dark Ritual) they appear (in message or rumor format) in those specific world state/play throughs. I can see why the variables (voices, races, backstory, class, US/DR, etc) would be a problem coupled with the death/no-death would be a problem, which is why I'm glad Bioware didn't bother with bringing the HOF/WC back in Inquisition.

Let me say for starters that th warden is my favorite protaganist and i would give anything to play as him again.

You are completley right that in this situation with inquisition there is no logical, valid and satisfying way to include the warden. I agree on that point.

There would be rage if the warden would return as NPC and i can understand the variables problem.

[ZoliCs]

I think whenever a Player Character is involved there will always be potential for a ragestorm. We will see when Dragon Age 4 is announced a few years from now people will start a new thread on the Inquisitor every day or every other day demanding that they return for this reason or the other while the other half will argue against it. I really kind of wish Bioware would take a cue from Bethesda and not import a previous hero to a new game, I mean the Nerevarine didn't pop up in Oblivion and I'm pretty sure the Dragonborn won't be appearing in TES VI. 

 

I hope they don't. The PCs are as much (or even more) part of the story than any returning character. It would be weird that someone who saves the world retires and doesn't give a crap anymore about what happens.

[The Mad King]

We considered it.

 

In the end, there were simply too many variables, too many issues with implementation that would have made the net worth of physically including the Warden problematic for the very people that said inclusion would ostensibly have been for, and, ultimately, we didn't want to.

 

Thank you for replying. 

[exiledspace]

For my bit, I'd have loved for the Hero of Ferelden to be included, but I understand the explanation that's been given. Regardless, it's still a great game.

Just commenting to voice out my support for the Warden getting his own DLC or hopefully be inserted in future installments!

[Taleroth]

I hope they don't. The PCs are as much (or even more) part of the story than any returning character. It would be weird that someone who saves the world retires and doesn't give a crap anymore about what happens.

Or maybe they're just busy. It's even weirder that a world so constantly under threat only ever has one problem at a time.