I honestly think that it wouldn't have felt like my Warden.. There were always so many things to say in so many ways.. At least with Hawke you have 3 distinct personality types 
Edit: I had the same thing when playing SWTOR and Revan turned out to be this dude that was nothing like my FemRev.
I would have appreciated a choice between Hawke and Warden for maximum sadism but the forums would have been on fire and I had enough of that after ME3.
That's basically it. The Warden can end up so many different ways in Origins -- more if you include Awakening -- that it's really hard to write for him/her. Hawke always ends Dragon Age II alive and in roughly similar position.
Never mind the problems with importing from DA:O to Awakenings in the first place - I never got to play Awakenings exactly for that reason, 'retcon' my ass.
It's also a prime reason Morrigan is going to find every hero of the world is going to sabotage her plans or work with her unwillingly. Least until BW force her upon us again, that whole episode left an horrible taste and was pretty much the alarm bells for DA2 in hindsight. >_>
I honestly think that it wouldn't have felt like my Warden.. There were always so many things to say in so many ways.. At least with Hawke you have 3 distinct personality types
Edit: I had the same thing when playing SWTOR and Revan turned out to be this dude that was nothing like my FemRev.
I would have appreciated a choice between Hawke and Warden for maximum sadism but the forums would have been on fire and I had enough of that after ME3.
It would have been glorious...
If they do remake origins for a next gen console, id bet we would have voices for the warden then.
Or cut Forbidden Oasis/merge it with Hissing Wastes if they needed to trim stuff.
Also i think The Fact that the Warden has no voice is a huge problem... you would be bound to upset alot of people no matter how you make him/her sound because everyone imagined something different
Well, you can never satisfy all people. Many want him/her simply to appear....so, I don´t think they would whine about the voice.
I would have appreciated a choice between Hawke and Warden for maximum sadism but the forums would have been on fire and I had enough of that after ME3.
They have no idea what they want. This place would explode with rage if the Warden was included because there's no way they could get it right, unless we were playing him/her again as a silent protagonist. The Warden was way more about self-insertion than quizzy or Hawke ever were or could be.
They have no idea what they want. This place would explode with rage if the Warden was included because there's no way they could get it right, unless we were playing him/her again as a silent protagonist. The Warden was way more about self-insertion than quizzy or Hawke ever were or could be.
I can say this for a starters im would give anything to play as my warden one final time!
I was not completely happy with the advisor mission that concerns the warden. think it could have been more. But I was really satisfied with the amount of references we got from characters for example Dagna and (romanced)Leliana.
But I find two logical problems with the reason the warden disappeared. you try to find a cure for the calling more likely a personal mission given what leliana said and im happy with that but........
"Duty must come first", so if this is a personal mission you would simply drop everything and make haste to skyhold regardless of obstacles.
Second when talking to Cassandra when she confronts varric about hawke, she said that they were looking for the warden first but he had disappeared, but if that was the case then Leliana shouldn't know how to contact the HoF. otherwise she would have done that a long time ago.
It's been 2 years since the close of DA2 to the current events I think? More than enough time for her to have heard of where her friend/lover is and what he's doing, or for him to have contacted her. She is the spymistress of the Inquisition after all! 
As for the OP, I'm kind of glad I didn't have to choose between my warden and Hawke. For some what would be an easy choice would mean something very difficult for me. My canon Hawke is every bit as precious as my canon warden was to me. And let's face it, unless he/she is the 'Stroud' Warden placement, our warden would be a Corypheus flunky, probably the role WC Clarel was in. You can't think of this as your own personal story, every actor has a part to play, and this is the story they wanted to tell. Would you have preferred our warden be:
The warden isn't someone genetically special/superior to the average warden. They don't have superman powers to ward off the blight. If my warden was on a mission to save other wardens from the Calling, perhaps she felt that was more important. Perhaps he spoke with Flemeth, or it was in the book Morrigan gave her at the end of WH that describes the threat of the Magisters, and felt this was the answer to saving the wardens from dangers like Corypheus, who could subvert their wills.
In this case, what she was doing, considering any warden is living on borrowed time anyway, may have been considered by the warden as more vital than one more soldier (who's loyalty would be suspect at best) in the fight. It's the Inquisitor with the power to close the rifts, not the warden. This was the inquisitor's story. I certainly wouldn't want my warden back as a non controllable NPC. Hawke was barely tolerable, but I could understand why she was included since Varric knew her and where she was. The dialogue with Hawke was spot on from voice to personality. I could see her delivering those lines. I don't think Bioware could have done as good a job recreating the warden to everyone's satisfaction.
And considering my dual wielding assassin rogue Hawke suddenly morphed into a sword and board warrior Hawke, having the warden pop up as a mage when it was a dwarf warrior or some other freaky glitch/bug ...no thank you.
I know I'm going to receive flak for this, but after all the people demanding the Warden come back I'm kind of wishing they never do. I'm wholeheartedly done with them. Not saying people don't have a right to want what they want, just that I'm at the moment burnt out by it all.
I'd love if the warden came back: if it could be done right, and quite frankly that seems an impossibility, as everyone imagines the wardens voice differently, motivations differently, and a hundred other thing differently. No one could get it right enough to please everyone. I may be wrong, their mat be a way, but I cannot see it.
Hawke could be a blood mage too. Bioware happily stomps on that and lets Hawke spew anti-blood magic propaganda, so I doubt that's the reason. After Hawke I'm just glad if they leave the Warden alone.
Yeah, my Hawke actually was a happy apostate and skilled Blood Mage. Hearing him say those "buhu, Blood Magic is sooo bad" lines in DA:I was somewhat hilarious.
The Warden is on Holiday.
Probably forever... :/
Call me mad but I would like them to find a 'cure' for the taint. It was hinted at in Inki that they were looking into it. Would be nice is something good happened to the wardens for once.Call me a sucker for happy endings...
Call me mad but I would like them to find a 'cure' for the taint. It was hinted at in Inki that they were looking into it. Would be nice is something good happened to the wardens for once.Call me a sucker for happy endings...
Where I'm from, necrophilia is a bad thing. Bumping a 6 month thread is definitely defiling the dead.
Well, my dear friend, I honestly fail to come up with a sufficiently elaborate answer to your inquiry. However, if I were to be allowed a shot in the dark, I'd boldly go as far as suggesting that I DON'T KNOW MAYBE HE'S BUSY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IS MY FACE STILL BLEEDING?! WELL, WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH THAT? IT'S MY BLOODY FACE AHAHAHAHAHAHA
Where I'm from, necrophilia is a bad thing. Bumping a 6 month thread is definitely defiling the dead.
When you mentioned necrophilia, I thought you were going to talk about not just bringing the Warden back, but romancing her....
oooooh no.... nononoNONONO
DONT NECRO THREADS LIKE THESE!
While I do not see the Warden-Commander being prominent or physically present for Dragon Age: Inquisition, Let's consider the following:
- Concerning World-State: Regardless of whether or not the Warden lived, the events of Awakening naturally still happen. Thus, the role of the Hero of Fereldan in any such utilization, if dead, would be given to the Orlesian Warden who was usable in their stead. In this regard, it is no different than replacing a killed Grunt in Mass Effect 3 with Urdnot Dagg. (who was just as cool as Grunt in that mission!)
- - Concerning the Orlesian Warden: Simply giving them one voice option with an Orlesian Accent would be no issue in that regard nor is the custom face matter I.E. the Hawke Treatment, (class too is naturally irrelevant. Likely the game will steal the class your actual warden used and transplant that onto the Orlesian Warden) what matters is the dialogue.
They would not have intimate knowledge of the occurrences of the Fifth Blight, but could instead be asked what they were doing at the time in Orlais (attempting to get into Fereldan, asking the Warden-Commander of Orlais to march into Fereldan anyways, ETC). We know that the Warden was personally given a new uniform by Empress Celene, not to mention that they must be pretty experienced/seasoned in order to be made the new Commander of the Grey of Fereldan...they must have some stories to tell both of the events of Awakening and of their life before and after! Given the past of the Orlesian Warden is a blank slate, Bioware could be as creative or vague as they want in that regard.
As Commander of the Grey in Fereldan, his/her identity would surely be known, referred to as 'Warden-Commander Caron/Andras/Kadar' depending on the race.
-- Concerning the Hero of Fereldan
Naturally trickier given the ravenous expectations that people would have of it (and the venomous reactions our less tactful community members would have of it), they could handle a few things a few different ways:
- In matters of voice: they could have up to two different voice types per gender or have no voice at all. For comedic effect, they are interrupted every single time they open their mouth to say something either because someone or something interrupts them in an urgent or random manner. Both of these naturally have drawbacks: a voiced warden will have people screaming to the heavens that 'The Warden doesn't sound like my, Warden boo hoo!'. The fact that there's no option in the keep for the Warden's personality increases this issue as well.
Now, a silent warden makes it difficult to interact with the character: why WOULDN'T they say anything unless their tongue was cut out? Do they have a terrible cold? Stop interrupting my Warden I want to hear them speak!
. . . essentially, people want to hear them speak, but want them to speak they way want them to. This will never happen and people would just have to grow a quad and deal with it. The best solution that can be made is to have, during the 'Warden Creation Process' is to select between a few different personalities similar to what we have for Hawke in the Keep: You could have a 'Dignified' Warden, a 'Quirky' Warden, or an 'Aggressive' Warden. This personality select would be in place for the Warden Commander as well, but they are a significantly lesser issue.
- In Matters of Dialogue: They would have to be vague on matters, and I doubt that the player would be allowed to pester the character endlessly about all the adventures they've had, given the fact that the Warden is rather busy on the mission the player is likely encountering them upon. This would help keep the character's 'Fan Integrity' in check by preventing the player from digging into the Warden's entire backstory. You might be able to ask them a few questions such as:
"Tell me about yourself." The Warden then would give them a brief summary of their 'background origin', then talk about the blight in passing, and then talk about their time as Commander of the Grey. Nothing difficult here. The player could then ask for details regarding the events of their origin, the Fifth Blight, or about their time as Commander of the Grey.
Asking about any of these things would use more of the 'personality' types given to the Warden at the Creation Process. An Aggressive Human Noble Warden can focus more on killing Howe and avenging their family, while a Dignified one may make some solemn remarks about the final moments of their parents. . .meanwhile a Quirky one may think back on Nan and the Larder Incident or generally avoid the matters of the origin story entirely and instead focus on past memories.
But regardless, the questioning would be kept brief due to the nature of the two characters meeting and prevent the player from complaining too much that 'this isn't my Warden!'. As much people would probably likely to talk to their Warden about EVERYTHING it's for the best that they don't go into a huge monologue every time you ask them something. . .I mean seriously, that's boring right? Who wants to sit there and get someone's life story every time you ask them a question?
"Would you like a cup of coffee?"
"My story begins in the Sixteenth Century. . ."
- Concerning the Quest
How would I know, I don't write for Bioware. All I know is that the role of the HoF is easily transplant-able onto the Orlesian Warden.
Where I'm from, necrophilia is a bad thing. Bumping a 6 month thread is definitely defiling the dead.
I think it would have been cool if the warden was a possible contact of Hawkes instead of Alistair, Loghain, and Stroud. Then you would have to pick between killing the warden or Hawke. But still I respect Bioware decision to leave him/her out of it. DLC of curing the calling would be awesome though!
Wouldn't have been a hard choice for me
My warden would win 100% of the time, no matter how much I love my Hawke. Anyways, I get the impression there's something planned, just a feeling. They're really pushing the Blight Clearing aspect of the Wardens and there's alot of things happening in the background with the Order, I would love to see a return to the issues concerning the Order, not just Blight focused.
That's just me though, I really like old lore and how it came to be in game settings (Legend of dragoon being my favourite for this particular reason).
I was thinking since Bioware gave hints that the next DLC will involve the Deeproads Maybe our Warden will show up along with the Architect. His/her quest after all is to be able to replicate what happened to Grand Enchanter Fiona when she was with the wardens. The Architect was involved in cleansing her of the taint afterall.
But, as much as I would like to get to see my Warden again I am a bit apprehensive on how they're going to go about it. I'm just crossing both my fingers and hoping for the best.
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