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[Sinophile]

For the last time, that was not Loghain.

 

That was William Dafoe.

I thought he looked and sounded like David Bowie, then again maybe most middle-aged british Men sound the same to my American ears.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Because of what Flemeth said to Hawke in DA2, I still hold on to the belief that Hawke was destined to "leap into the abyss." For that reason I always leave him/her behind. 

 

For some reason, this statement reminds me of Sheridan at Zha'ha'Dum. He leapt into the abyss to escape the Shadows and the imminent strike of the White Star and found someone unexpected at the bottom.

 

P.S. I think Kosh's sentience had hinted of this probability to him. He knew sooner or later, Sheridan will go to Zha'ha'Dum.

[Machina Obscura]

It just feels right to have Loghain there and sacrifice himself in the fade. Makes a very satisfying arch to me.

[SpiritMuse]

For the last time, that was not Loghain.
 
That was William Dafoe.

I thought he looked familiar!

[PorcelynDoll]

I love that magnificent bastard. What's not to be pleased about?

[EmBlue]

I like how the games keep trying to make me make Loghain atone for his actions.

And I just have the option to be like.. haha... no.

[BouncyFrag]

Very pleased, though I still wish he would've gotten a longer and more epic death scene.

Yup. It looked like he could of made it out with the rest.

[Shahadem]

What appearance? He never survives DA:O in all of my games.

 

Traitorous filth <digs up Loghain's rotten corpse to spit on it again>

[Fandango]

Aye, Loghain's inclusion was really well handled. Do we know who wrote his arc?

[Sommo James]

I changed my Keep status to resurrect him when I've heard he was in the game, and I was not disapointed by his performance. I expected a cameo and he did far more than that. My only issue with having him in inquisition is that it means that my hardened Alistair is a deseter and Anora go fight the archdemon instead in Origin, really pathetic.

[Amirit]

Not pleased at all. To me it looks like a cameo for the sake of cameo. Friends with Hawke?! Since when? And how is it possible for Hawke-warrior, one who was betrayed by Loghain (you have more then one dialog about it in DA2).

 

Alistair-warden you do meet in DA2, they talk with Hawke, they had something to start the friendship from. With Loghain who spent his days in Orleis - do not see it. Artificial to say the least.   

[The Mad King]

I was pleased but he still deserved to die in Origins. 

[KaiserShep]

Not pleased at all. To me it looks like a cameo for the sake of cameo. Friends with Hawke?! Since when? And how is it possible for Hawke-warrior, one who was betrayed by Loghain (you have more then one dialog about it in DA2).

 

Yeah, this is actually a pretty bad misstep in the plot's logic. Even if Hawke wasn't a warrior or rogue, Carver was always at Ostagar, as was Aveline, who does mention the betrayal. Of course, this is putting aside the fact that Loghain is very famous as the traitor who was conscripted into the Wardens. I would not accept a Hawke that is particularly forgiving of this character, and she would want nothing to do with him. But then again, my Hawke would not have wanted to do anything with the Wardens at all, not after what some of their crazy kind did during Legacy. I can't help but wonder why Hawke would go anywhere near them after that.

[Arvaarad]

The first time I recruited him, it was for the poetic justice of making him a Warden. But man, his sense of humor utterly won me over. By the end of the game, he and the Hero had somehow become best buds.

I assume the same thing happened with my rogue "I was at Ostagar" Hawke. Loghain is really easy to get along with... as long as he stays out of politics.

[Ran Dra]

As for many others, Loghain was my favorite character in Dragon Age series. Despite of fact, that soon after the events of Ostagar I simply wanted to kill him, when the story developed and my further Warden Commander gained knowledge what was going on, I understood that he simply had to withdraw his forces from the battlefield. He wasn't abandoning Cailan and Wardens for their death ("Your fascination with glory and legends will be your undoing, Cailan"), he was waiting with his troops for the Ishal Tower sign, but it was too late. Decision was simply for a great teyrn: let's all die or live and try to rescue his homeland once again. During the Origins I've understanded that in his decisions against Wardens he was manipulated by the Arl Howe. I wouldn't be surprised if Howe would try to kill Loghain if they would resolve the Archdemon issue, as Howe was the true maniac of gaining power.

 

That's why Warden Ran Cousland decided to let him join Grey Wardens and exile Alistair. I simply couldn't understand Alistair attitude, at this playtghrough he couldn't understand that not Loghain was the enemy but Archdemon, and every hand on the board was helpful, especially if we are talking about veteran of many battles. The slain of Archdemon had to be priority, but Alistair was simply blinded by the desire of revenge. I wonder, what would Duncan say to him... Loghain survived and became the Warden in Orlais. Personally, I had imagined that he wouldn't be blind performer of Orlesian Warden Commander decisions, but I was seeing his potential come back somewhat different (that was even before first mention about Dragon Age: Inquisition production). I was imaging Loghain at the ball investigating the plots of Orlesians nobles to attack Ferelden and being captured by them.

 

During Inquisition, he seemed somehow changed for me. I don't know, something about his haircut doesn't match to me (his original haircut was better), but somehow he didn't aged at all (maybe the darkspawn blood has some slow-aging factors? ). Duty is always on the first place for Loghain, and this hasn't changed at all. His determination to investigate the fault of his brothers and oppose to the fake cailing was fascinating. It showed that not every Warden had to be commanded to Corypheus will. When we was in the Fade, though...

 

"Well, ****" - Varric would have said now. Decision of letting him stay alone in the Fade, where no mortal is avalible to stay ("for no mortal may walk bodily/ in the realms of dream", seriously?) was the most difficult in this series for me ever. I had thought about it... Loghain was reaching his 60's and his taint would possibly really call his for death, Hawke was younger and therefore spared. I was however downcast after that, simply like Varric telling me in Skyhold with his sad eyes that "the story of Hero of River Dane has ended"... When the Wardens asked me, where is Loghain, I could only shout at them that he had sacrificed himself to redeem their faults. And I let those fools to stay with me, just like Loghain would do, as he had never turn back from his people, despite of some people say about him. I gave them a chance to prove that Loghain sacrifce wasn't pointless.

 

Seriously, soon after fininshing that quest I was wondering about Loghain even about when I was going to sleep. His character is at the peak of Bioware creation. I just wonder, if there is any chance to get him back to the real world. Could the dreamers have that ability? Or Solas, anyone?

 

And at the end of the game I thought: **** elf, his death was all your fault so do anything and save him.

 

Edit: I had remembered now, that possibly the best Loghain's dialogues are the one with the Dog in Dragon Age Origins camp. Simply... showed who Orlesians really are and who is he...

[Zjarcal]

Not pleased at all. To me it looks like a cameo for the sake of cameo. Friends with Hawke?! Since when? And how is it possible for Hawke-warrior, one who was betrayed by Loghain (you have more then one dialog about it in DA2).

Same way it's possible for the warden in DAO to become close with him?

I don't disagree it was a poor choice to make since not everyone will want to RP a Hawke that would forgive/ignore that, but it's a perfectly plausible thing for some.

[MKfighter89]

He looks like William Dafoe

[Addai]

Yeah, this is actually a pretty bad misstep in the plot's logic. Even if Hawke wasn't a warrior or rogue, Carver was always at Ostagar, as was Aveline, who does mention the betrayal. Of course, this is putting aside the fact that Loghain is very famous as the traitor who was conscripted into the Wardens. I would not accept a Hawke that is particularly forgiving of this character, and she would want nothing to do with him. But then again, my Hawke would not have wanted to do anything with the Wardens at all, not after what some of their crazy kind did during Legacy. I can't help but wonder why Hawke would go anywhere near them after that.

I can see where you might object, but snarky Hawke mage forgives. Carver and Aveline can suck it. In my game Carver is a Grey Warden and has to take orders from Loghain after the events of DAI. trololol Of course, hopefully he's grown up and realizes that Ostagar wasn't a simple matter of betrayal.

[Zeroth Angel]

Very pleased.

 

He's my favorite BW companion so when I saw him in the game I was so happy. I'm also glad that BW didn't simply forgot about him.

[KaiserShep]

I can see where you might object, but snarky Hawke mage forgives. Carver and Aveline can suck it. In my game Carver is a Grey Warden and has to take orders from Loghain after the events of DAI. trololol Of course, hopefully he's grown up and realizes that Ostagar wasn't a simple matter of betrayal.

I suppose it doesn't matter in the end, since Loghain is dead as a door nail in my Keep. My snarky Hawke spent all her forgiveness on Isabela. There wasn't enough left for Anders.

[Rawgrim]

Never saw Loghain, since he is dead in my import. Sadly. Where did he show up, and how was he?

[Shahadem]

As for many others, Loghain was my favorite character in Dragon Age series. Despite of fact, that soon after the events of Ostagar I simply wanted to kill him, when the story developed and my further Warden Commander gained knowledge what was going on, I understood that he simply had to withdraw his forces from the battlefield. He wasn't abandoning Cailan and Wardens for their death ("Your fascination with glory and legends will be your undoing, Cailan"), he was waiting with his troops for the Ishal Tower sign, but it was too late. Decision was simply for a great teyrn: let's all die or live and try to rescue his homeland once again. During the Origins I've understanded that in his decisions against Wardens he was manipulated by the Arl Howe. I wouldn't be surprised if Howe would try to kill Loghain if they would resolve the Archdemon issue, as Howe was the true maniac of gaining power.

 

 

 

Because it was going to be much easier to protect Ferelden from a Blight with an even smaller army right? There simply weren't that many darkspawn at Ostagar. The army would have been more than sufficient to win the day had Loghain not intentionally withheld the reserves solely to let Cailan die so he could become the new king. The only reason why he let Cailan die is because he hated how Cailan was making friends with Orlais. So Loghain not only killed Cailan, but also put his country at a severe disadvantage by also leading to the death of a majority of Ferelden's army at a time when he knew that there was likely a blight. And that means Loghain was aware that there would be a great deal of chaos afterwards which would further weaken Ferelden. And Loghain committed other evil acts, such as poisoning an Arl, convincing the mages in the circle to rebel, selling the elves in the alienage into slavery.

 

Face it, Loghain is evil. Everything he tells you is a clear lie. You are foolish for believing him.

[Vox Draco]

Who? Oh..the coward and traitor .. don't think I'll ever have a DAI world state he has a place in...he died the death such failures deserve...

[Zeroth Angel]

Face it, Loghain is evil. Everything he tells you is a clear lie. You are foolish for believing him.

 

And your opinion is pretty much invalid because you resort to calling someone foolish.

[Kulyok]

Loghain was great. And the hair! He and Hawke had the same hair in my game, same color and everything. Heh.

 

The touching thing was, I talked to Threnn(former quartermaster) at Skyhold, and she said he talked to her and remembered her name! I really felt bad about sacrificing it afterwards, but I was exiling the Wardens anyway, and Hawke had Carver and Anders and Varric, and I couldn't do it to them.

 

I wish he had dialogue with Morrigan or Leliana, but not in my game, alas. (OGB was present, but it was the Warden's child. Loghain never appeared in the garden, though.)