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I just read this article, and it really sums up my feelings word for word. It is sad.
http://tay.kotaku.co...fant-1662330835

 


How Bioware turned Dragon Age from a 'Dark European Fantasy' into a High Fantasy WonderlandEXPAND

I love Dragon Age: Inquisition. The world is gorgeous, the characters are fun, and there's so much content to complete that I almost feel bad about complaining. The actual main story/plot itself, which is usually a stinker in Bioware games, is pretty decent in this game as well.

 

But while exploring Bioware's new opus, I found that time and time again, I had experiences which jarred with my previous understanding of the franchise, and with Bioware's own lore. Few things have been explicitly retconned in Dragon Age (Anders' death in Awakening and Leliana's death in Origins being exceptions), but the atmosphere of the world has changed. And it's not just about the bright colours either- Bioware's vision of a dark, brutal, fantasy medieval Europe has turned into a generic struggle between light and darkness, and 'freedom' vs. 'order', a kind of Assassin's Creed-******-Lord of the Rings mishmash that disappoints when viewed against the previous games more grey world.

 

From the very outset of Dragon Age's publicity relaunch in late 2007 (the game had first been announced in 2004 as a multiplayer PC game in the vein of Neverwinter Nights that also happened to have a singleplayer campaign, but had shifted rapidly with the seventh generation of home consoles), the game's writer made clear that the world in which Dragon Age was set was a kind of 'Southern Hemisphere' transposition of mediaeval Europe.

 

The location of the first game, Ferelden, was England or Britain, with its English accents and kings and lord and banners and tapestries and environments all reflecting that influence. Other countries, too, were frequently mentioned, and the player saw characters from across Thedas. The Orlesians, like Leliana, with their words (comte, chevalier, etc...), elaborate outfits, devotion to the Church and its leader, and a vast clergy and noble system, were the French. The Antivans, such as rogue Zevran, were the Italians. Rivain was 14th century Spain, its Moorish influence replaced by the Qunari invaders, another blatant cultural allegory. The Free Marches were the central European city states, rich merchant centres. The warmongering, wealthy, dragon hunters of Nevarra were the Germans. The frozen, distant, and barely inhabited Anderfels, the home of the Grey Wardens, represented Scandinavia and Northern Europe generally. The vast Tevinter Imperium is the remnant of the Roman Empire in the East, which eventually became the new Byzantine or Ottoman Empire. The other ethnic groups in Europe at the time were represented too. The dwarves, as they were in Tolkien's work, are the Jews, wealthy merchants and traders in more insular communities, mistrusted as blasphemers against the Chantry but accepted as an economic necessity. The Dalish elves, cast away, hated by most people, wander the lands as the Irish travellers, or gypsies did (and even speak in Irish or Welsh accents for the most part). And the Qunari, as mentioned before, with their dark skin and strange religion, represent the Islamic Moors.

 

This fiction was all widely established and supported, heading in to Dragon Age: Origins. In the same way that there were not (with the exception, of course, of the legendary Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom the Magnificent Bastard) any Caucasians in Bioware's Jade Empire, set in a fantasy China, there would be no humans in Dragon Age of ethnicities which were not present in Europe in larger numbers in the late mediaeval age. As a "POC" myself, I found that to be perfectly reasonable- a game set in 4th century Africa probably shouldn't have white people in it either!

In Dragon Age: Inquisition, this entire idea has been completely and absolutely removed. There are now people of all ethnicities in Thedas. As I said, I am not white myself, but this feels out of place. What's more, Bioware, unable to retcon everything about its lore, painstakingly built over the past decade, has decreed that everyone with a skin colour darker than tan (that is to say, Arab/Persian looking, Native American looking, East Asian looking, South Asian looking, Indian looking, and African looking) all have heritage from the one tiny nation in Thedas that is not light-white (Rivain), thus shoehorning all the 'POC' into one little country. It's not just pandering to Bioware's social justice followers on Tumblr and at conventions, it's downright ****** offensive to me, that Bioware thinks black people will call them racist, or not play the game, if they make a world without us in it. Were whites complaining when they couldn't play a Caucasian in Jade Empire, or when they had to play as CJ in GTA: San Andreas? Certainly. And we called them out for being racists when they did.

 

But blatantly trying to pander to people like me by retconning Thedas' ethnic makeup is far from the only change that happened in the five years since Origin's release in October 2009. Dragon Age: Origins portrayed a world that was in many ways deeply misogynistic. The female City-Elf storyline opens with the player being kidnapped by a nobleman in order to be gang-raped on her wedding day. There are several references to male-on-female sexual assault in the storyline. Hardly a surprise, given that Game of Thrones (or A Song of Ice and Fire) were big inspirations. While some female aristocrats have a degree of power in Dragon Age (as in, you guessed it, real mediaeval Europe), the vast majority of rulers are males, and society remains generally patriarchal, though not to the extent where a female Warden's progress is significantly impeded upon, presumably because Bioware couldn't be bothered to tell two separate storylines.

In Inquisition once again, this aspect of the world is completely removed. Mass rape, a daily reality of civil war in the mediaeval world, hell, something DIRECTLY MENTIONED in the Dragon Age novels themselves, is never even referenced once. The idea that it might happen, has, in the 40+ hours that I have played the game, never even been suggested. Dragon Age, despite pretensions of becoming a political thriller in a dark and dangerous world, has been pacified at the hands of those who would call anything that shows one racial group racist, who would scream misogyny (as people do at Game of Thrones) when creators try and set their game in a brutal and violent world in which terrible things occur.

 

Running around the beautiful green and pleasant fields of Crestwood, I couldn't help but feel that any sense of actual danger or impending doom that might actually exist in a collapsing world (it is vaguely implied, for example, that Ellie might be raped if captured in TLOU, which adds to the tension when you play as her protector/de-facto father in Joel) is completely and utterly destroyed by the fact that nothing truly bad, except for some comically overdone scenes of destruction, actually seem to happen. Even Mass Effect 3, which contained no threats of sexual assault at all (just to make it clear that I'm not "demanding rape be put into the game", had a sense of dread that Inquisition lacks. It's the end of the world, but I'll stop and pick the flowers on this perfect hillside, before retiring the tavern for a few hours, and then merrily stroll around for a month, collecting shards so I can open the ancient temple in the desert. The end of the world comes along awfully slowly in this game- and impending doom seems far off.

The one word that keeps flashing through my mind, dozens of hours into Dragon Age: Inquisition is "MMO". Not just in the grindy requisitions quests, or the hotbar combat, or the fact that you can now jump, or in the zone level brackets, or in the armour types, but in the *world* itself. Fantasy MMOs don't succeed when they're too dark. Their worlds are bright, and playful, and happy, because players *live there*. You don't go on holiday to an MMO, you build a life there (if it's successful), and no one wants to live in a horrible world full racism and misogyny and moral greys and things like that. So most MMOs, even if they have bad guys, are deeply, deeply pacified. Even the tough bad guys are locked away in the raids and the dungeons while the open areas remain relatively safe or easy. Dragon Age feels like that kind of world. A world made by developers who didn't have a backbone to stand up for what they had created, and capitulated to bizarre internet pressure to build a happy-dappy paradise where good people are good, bad people are bad, and any 'grey' moral conflict can be sorted with a quick check to which faction you signed up to.


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Eh I don't mind, personally I am glad they dropped the pretense, the Dragon Age series had always been the Diet Coke of Dark Fantasy, it loved to shout out how dark and edgy it was but when push come to shove the flavour just wasnt there, the universe and stories while having dark aspects shoehorned into them in an effort maintain the superficial appearance of dark fantasy are far too idealistic to truly be considered dark fantasy, sure are elements oppression, rape and betrayal but these things only exist as enemies for the noble hero to crush in their quest to save the world and prove how awesome they are.

 

Dragon Age was always heroic fantasy wearing a mask of dark fantasy and it is nice to see that with Inquisition they finally dropped the pretense.


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The writer seems to think DAO was much darker and a much more faithful reproduction of medieval Europe than it actually was.

As for the gender thing, Bioware has told us from the start that Thedas is fairly egalitarian on that front. We've known Orlais was ruled by an Empress and the Divine was a women (Men in fact being barred from the priesthood) since DAO. The writer is quite mistaken about the situation of women in Thedas, it hasn't changed.

Not that there aren't some valid points, but whoever wrote that is wearing black tinted nostalgia goggles.
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So let me get this straight, too many POCs and not enough rape ruins the atmosphere for you ?
 
Not to mention the blatantly false statements the OP is making: "What's more, Bioware, unable to retcon everything about its lore, painstakingly built over the past decade, has decreed that everyone with a skin colour darker than tan [...] all have heritage from the one tiny nation in Thedas that is not light-white (Rivain)". Since when are Dorian and Josephine from Rivain ?


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Dark Fantasy is not even A Game of Thrones, so the moniker always made no sense.

 

That said, considering there were a lot of non-white folks ethnically in Origins as NPCs, and that you don't need the implication of rape every ten seconds against a character or imply it implicitly. Hell, Duncan was from Rivain and he was not white. So this guy has no idea what the hell he is saying id say. 

 

And regarding morally gray characters, I suggest actually playing the game to that author there, especially regarding some of the side-villians you face like Alexius, Lucius, or even folks you have to deal with in court like the mayor of Crestwood. I don't know about you but drowning children to stop the blight is a fucked up thing. 


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"Deeply misogynistic"? Please. Even in the very first novel we got a lady knight as one of the principal characters. Playing a female Cousland was no different from playing a male. The purpose of the sexual assault in the city elf origin was to cement just how marginalized city elves are.

 

Apart from all of the other things that are wrong with this, medieval europe was not as ethnically homogeneous as many people think. So if you're going with the "oh noez, mah realism!" argument, then you should bear in mind that having a fantasy world with nothing but white people, even if it is based on medieval europe...isn't very realistic.


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Excuse me but there were people of all ethnicities in medieval Europe. Spain was full of north african berbers, jewish folk, gipsies, and also germanic types and others from every part of the mediterranean area. European is not the same as Anglo Saxon or Scandinavian. So don't use Europe to support homogeneous whiteness in the game.

 

Regarding Dragon Age - Rivain, Antiva, Seheron, all of that has been part of Thedas since the beginning. Origins was just focused on one part of Thedas, Ferelden. Doesn't mean the lore didn't exist before. I for one am glad to see the series depart from LOTR / GoT levels of Anglo Saxonism to portray those parts of the lore that got the short end of the stick in previous games. We've got Orlais and that's cool. Really hoping for games set in the qunari islands, Tevinter, or Rivain.

 

Finally, it's funny he complains about the lack of grey morality but at the same time complains that there is no mass rape. I guess mass rape is the perfect setup for complex moral dilemmas! Actually, no, mass rape is the easiest set up ever if you want a flat, cheap villain and a flat, cheap hero. I'll take complex characters like Celene, Solas, and Flemeth over that, thanks.



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Dragon Age was always heroic fantasy wearing a mask of dark fantasy and it is nice to see that with Inquisition they finally dropped the pretense.

I always took it for a badly written dark fantasy attempting to be dark fantasy, and I was giving it a credit for trying in DAO. But you may be right as well.

 

The writer seems to think DAO was much darker and a much more faithful reproduction of medieval Europe than it actually was.

As for the gender thing, Bioware has told us from the start that Thedas is fairly egalitarian on that front. We've known Orlais was ruled by an Empress and the Divine was a women (Men in fact being barred from the priesthood) since DAO. The writer is quite mistaken about the situation of women in Thedas, it hasn't changed.

Not that there aren't some valid points, but whoever wrote that is wearing black tinted nostalgia goggles.

1. I haven't completed DAI yet, but from what I've seen it's not taking itself anywhere as serious as DAO was.

2. Having empresses doesn't make a society more egalitarian. Barring the holding of church offices from men isn't any more egalitarian than barring it for women.

 

Dark Fantasy is not even A Game of Thrones, so the moniker always made no sense.

 

That said, considering there were a lot of non-white folks ethnically in Origins as NPCs, and that you don't need the implication of rape every ten seconds against a character or imply it implicitly. Hell, Duncan was from Rivain and he was not white. So this guy has no idea what the hell he is saying id say. 

 

And regarding morally gray characters, I suggest actually playing the game to that author there, especially regarding some of the side-villians you face like Alexius, Lucius, or even folks you have to deal with in court like the mayor of Crestwood. I don't know about you but drowning children to stop the blight is a fucked up thing. 

1. I never considered A Song of Ice and Fire/A Game of Thrones very "dark" whatever that term means, its world's development simply had an intristic logic which was realistic, based on what we know about real-world history. The characters are then required to operate in that world, and they also do so realistically, without breaking its rules. In my opinion this isn't "dark", this is just a good written setting and story.

 

"Deeply misogynistic"? Please. Even in the very first novel we got a lady knight as one of the principal characters. Playing a female Cousland was no different from playing a male. The purpose of the sexual assault in the city elf origin was to cement just how marginalized city elves are.

 

Apart from all of the other things that are wrong with this, medieval europe was not as ethnically homogeneous as many people think. So if you're going with the "oh noez, mah realism!" argument, then you should bear in mind that having a fantasy world with nothing but white people, even if it is based on medieval europe...isn't very realistic.

1. The existance of female knights doesn't necessarily make the setting less mysoginistic, what it does is make it less realistic.

2. Is the fact that it doesn't matter what sex you choose for the human noble something we should be happy about?

Apart from all of the other things that are wrong with this, medieval europe was not as ethnically homogeneous as many people think.

What is an "ethnicity"? What is a "nation"? When did these notions appear, and does that timeframe have anything to do with the Middle ages? ;)

 

So if you're going with the "oh noez, mah realism!" argument, then you should bear in mind that having a fantasy world with nothing but white people, even if it is based on medieval europe...isn't very realistic.

Maybe you would show me a historiographical source to prove the point that every other European inhabitant at any point in the Middle ages was black, and if not every other, then rougly what part of them was?



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1. The existance of female knights doesn't necessarily make the setting less mysoginistic, what it does is make it less realistic.

2. Is the fact that it doesn't matter what sex you choose for the human noble something we should be happy about?

It does indeed show that women are afforded just as much freedom as men in the Dragon Age universe. The core of the human noble storyline has nothing to do with gender, and thus it is not a factor. I'm not trying to say that misogyny and violence against women isn't present, but it's not ubiquitous. And what is and what isn't "realistic" in a made-up fantasy universe is up to the writers, not some person on the internet.

 

Maybe you would show me a historiographical source to prove the point that every other European inhabitant at any point in the Middle ages was black, and if not every other, then rougly what part of them was?

http://medievalpoc.t...issionstatement

 

People of colour were much more present in european history than people nowadays care to admit, and I think the widespread denial of their presence is incredibly tragic. Your idea of what is and isn't realistic has been affected by how history has been presented, and by and large history has been presented as the story of white people.



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Dragon Age dropped the dark in the middle of Dragon Age Origins development. The Darkspawn kind of carried forward from those earlier days, but nothing else did.

 

At one point they were calling it "Dark Heroic" too and it supposedly was like Conan. I think I heard that's responsible for Ferelden being treated as this backwater locale where all they have is wet dogs.



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I though the inclusion of PoC people would darken the game...

 

Now if you think that common people caught in the crossfire between mages and Tempars in the Hinter lands is not "dark" well

And no, the DA world is not deeply misogynistic, some culture are more misogynistic/sexist than others, but Thedas doesn't have the same bias against women that the real middle ages had.

 

Claiming Thedas is deeply misogynistic it simply a show of ignorance about the lore.
 

 

The idea that [rape] might happen, has, in the 40+ hours that I have played the game, never even been suggested

 

 

If you steamroll through the game that's your problem, but don't come here claiming false information because you wasn't bothered to explore the world and discover what was going on



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IMO the writer was bored and had to come up with something to complain about.
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realistic.

 

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I always thought Krem heavily hinted at an attempted gang-rape when he tells the story of how he first met Iron Bull. Something along the line of "they had pinned me down."

 

Given the special circumstances of the character unfortunately a rather likely scenario.



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People of colour were much more present in european history than people nowadays care to admit, and I think the widespread denial of their presence is incredibly tragic. Your idea of what is and isn't realistic has been affected by how history has been presented, and by and large history has been presented as the story of white people.

 

It's that way in the western countries, most certainly.  If you go to asia they often focus on their own history. It depends on where in the world you are.



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"Deeply misogynistic"? Please. Even in the very first novel we got a lady knight as one of the principal characters. Playing a female Cousland was no different from playing a male. The purpose of the sexual assault in the city elf origin was to cement just how marginalized city elves are.

 

Apart from all of the other things that are wrong with this, medieval europe was not as ethnically homogeneous as many people think. So if you're going with the "oh noez, mah realism!" argument, then you should bear in mind that having a fantasy world with nothing but white people, even if it is based on medieval europe...isn't very realistic.

 

How so? The place where the first game took place (Ferelden) is based on England, which was more or less 100% White/Caucasian during the period, the second game (apart from the prologue which was set in Ferelden) took place in the Free Marches (Kirkwall), which are likely based on Switzerland, which was more or less 100% White/Caucasian during the period, the third game is set in Ferelden and Orlais, which is based on France, which again was more or less 100% White during the period, etc., so it is/was realistic, there were only a few places in medieval Europe with any noticeable number of non-Whites, but none of their in-game equivalent locations have been visited by any of the protagonists in the Dragon Age games so far. 



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Well as a person of color (i'll keep my ethnicity private), I like being able to create a character with my skin color. I don't want that taken from me. Sorry if that destroys the realism of Thedas. Funny though, if realism is so important in these games then maybe most humans in the MEU should be Chinese and Indian with Chinese and Indian surnames (our protagonist should have a Chinese or Indian surname) and various Chinese and Indian accents should be carried by the human npcs. Just saying because those nations/ethnicities represent the largest portion of the human population, and the populations are growing. Also, they are making great strides in space technology.



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What is POC supposed to mean?

 

Google only returns "Proof of concept" and "Push-to-talk over cellular"...



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If you steamroll through the game that's your problem, but don't come here claiming false information because you wasn't bothered to explore the world and discover what was going on

 

Actually David Gaider has said before that certain things were taken out of the script because they could have been misinterpreted as rape.

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ame-development

 

So basically rape does not exist in the Dragon Age universe anymore, nor does even the suggestion of rape or even anything that can be vaguely misinterpreted as a form of rape.


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Ugh. Again?

Can't we simply talk about the game without involving gender and race politics?

 

In regards to the concept of "Dark Fantasy", the Dragon Age lore is great the way it is. No need for more doom and gloom.

And if that's what floats your boat, you can always headcanon more rape and murder into the story.



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Actually David Gaider has said before that certain things were taken out of the script because they could have been misinterpreted as rape.

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ame-development

 

So basically rape does not exist in the Dragon Age universe anymore, nor does even the suggestion of rape or even anything that can be vaguely misinterpreted as a form of rape.

I could've sworn that had to do with one of the romances...possibly IB's. Maybe I was wrong, oh well.



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I could've sworn that had to do with one of the romances...possibly IB's. Maybe I was wrong, oh well.

 

Yeah I gotta admit I am now curious as to what exactly it was he is referring to, don't think they will ever tells us though.



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What is POC supposed to mean?

 

Google only returns "Proof of concept" and "Push-to-talk over cellular"...

 

People of color. 

 

Actually David Gaider has said before that certain things were taken out of the script because they could have been misinterpreted as rape.

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ame-development

 

So basically rape does not exist in the Dragon Age universe anymore, nor does even the suggestion of rape or even anything that can be vaguely misinterpreted as a form of rape.

 

One of the codex entries in the Hinterlands suggests rape. 



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[url="http://dgaider.tumbl...ame-development[/.

Did you even bother Reading it?

O'well. No rape in inquisition means it doesn't exist!!!!!!
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