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[FumikoM]

I often see Skyrim getting praised in posts about how bad DA:I is with it's bugs and controls and whatnot.

 

Seriously, have people forgotten how buggy Skyrim was for many when it was released? How many glitches there where? Big open world; all areas combined in DA:I are very large, at least on the same level as the world area in Skyrim. A main story that quite a few people complained about being a bit dull but hey, side-quests and running around killing enemies in a big open world made up for the lacking main quest and often dull combat.

 

But all of this people seem to mysteriously have forgotten. I love Skyim, does not mean I'm blind to the problem it had, and still have (I can't exit a building without the game crashing 1 out of 10 times, and glitches that where never fixed). I wonder if people will forget about the problems DA:I now have when the next chapter in The Elder Scrolls get released...

[Munktor]

I hated Skyrim personally.  Enjoying DA:I.

 

I think trying to compare videogames to determine merit of either is both ridiculous and unproductive.

[Medhia_Nox]

I enjoyed Skyrim until I could stunlock dragons...

 

I'm partially worried from reports that you can do this on Nightmare in DA:I.... BUT... there's a story in DA:I.  So even "if" that's true - it will impact me less negatively here.

 

I love DA:I.  It is a CRPG heading in my direction. 

[PGB01]

Agree. All games are buggy when they are first released, even the incomparable Baldur's Gate II. It's how they get patched that is the key.

 

The same people are repeating the same moans ad nauseum on other threads.

 

I'm waiting patiently for them to fix the gender and the banter problems until then I've got other things to do than moan all the time.

[- Archangel -]

I keep trying to like Elder Scrolls games, but just can't.  Everything is either grey or brown, the lore is completely uninteresting to me and the monster are so bland.  They even succeed in making dragons boring.

[Muspade]

People are weird and very often irrational.

[DemGeth]

Skyrims a great game.

Combats awful in it though yes.

And yes it was in a much worse state than da is now at release. I thought da would be a lot worse bug wise. But no pleasantly surprised.

[ashwind]

Firstly, Skyrim has mods, dont have to wait for devs to fix minor issues.

 

Secondly, not all of Skyrim's glitches/bugs are bad. Some are so funny, like mammoths dropping from the skies

[Akrabra]

People are weird and very often irrational.

And this is the best that sums it up. I just wanted to add that people do not have patience what so ever anymore. It bugs me, but i believe in people beeing allowed to have their own opinions, so i have to wade through crap posts to find the people i actually want to read what they write. 

[New Kid]

Mods are kind of like that thing 'The Men In Black' use to wipe peoples minds. As someone who didn't have it on pc, I will never be able to replay it. It is a truly dry game. 

[Cyonan]

I wouldn't consider Skyrim to be great unless you're running mods, and I seem to be immune to Bethesda game bugs.

 

but in general people don't remember the bad parts for a game like Skyrim because of nostalgia. It tends to have the effect of only focusing on the good parts.

[Serenade]

A game I played back in 2007 was a roleplaying game called Two Worlds. It was dull, boring, had plenty of issues both on the technical aspect aswell as the design. But for some reason I kept playng it. I kept telling myself that this game is awful, yet I played it regardless. It was not because I hated it, no far from it, I actually liked it. For me it did something right and that was to be ambitious. I could see while playing what the creators had in mind but it was shunned of flaws. I could see past these obstacles and for that I had a good time with it. When Skyrim first came out I had the same feeling as that game, but this was at a much larger magnitude. I can see when a developer put its effort behind a game and that speaks volume to me. People can look away from issues if the positive outweighs the negative, but it's completely subjective as to what those are. If a game made them smile at some point that can affect positively on how they're looking back at it.

[KoorahUK]

Loved exploration in Skyrim but felt zero attachment or involvement with any characters in the world, including my own. 

I'll take DA:I over Skyrim any day of the week.

[luc76985]

I often see Skyrim getting praised in posts about how bad DA:I is with it's bugs and controls and whatnot.

 

Seriously, have people forgotten how buggy Skyrim was for many when it was released? How many glitches there where? Big open world; all areas combined in DA:I are very large, at least on the same level as the world area in Skyrim. A main story that quite a few people complained about being a bit dull but hey, side-quests and running around killing enemies in a big open world made up for the lacking main quest and often dull combat.

 

But all of this people seem to mysteriously have forgotten. I love Skyim, does not mean I'm blind to the problem it had, and still have (I can't exit a building without the game crashing 1 out of 10 times, and glitches that where never fixed). I wonder if people will forget about the problems DA:I now have when the next chapter in The Elder Scrolls get released...

 

As much as I loved (LOVED!) Skyrim, it glitched to death on my PS3.  I even had to throw in the towel on the expansions when they were finally released, after a ridiculous delay.

DA:I has, gratefully, given me very few problems in comparison.  There've been a couple of odd glitches, but for the most part, it has been a smooth ride.  Here's hoping I'm not jinxing myself by talking about it.  I'm just over 20 hours in...   

[New Kid]

Loved exploration in Skyrim but felt zero attachment or involvement with any characters in the world, including my own. 

I'll take DA:I over Skyrim any day of the week.

I found myself asking why I was fighting for the emperor and assassinating him, what must have been going through the protagonists head...? odd game haha.

[Lebanese Dude]

Selective memory.

 

Can't really fault it though. Without it we'd all be terminally depressed.

[DukeMcFishy]

I loved Skyrim and still do, but DA:I blows it out of the waters with some things I think. 

 

The endless dungeon crawling, the unenjoyable melee combat, the world doesn't change much and npc's don't react to the changes is some of the things DA:I does way better in my opinion.

 

The only thing I miss in DA:I is pushing Lydia off a mountain. Fus Ro Dah! Off you go, Weeeeee! 

[Back Lot Basher]

I always loved Skyrim, even though I knew the characters were pretty bland and the combat was downright awful, mostly because I loved what they did with the open world.  Dragon Age has raised their bar to the point that they now have enough open world to challenge and even beat Skyrim at their own strength.  They still have some of the best characters and writing in gaming today, and the combat works wonderfully for the type of game it is.  In my mind, DA:I has set the new bar to which future games, especially RPGs, will have to measure themselves against.

 

If anything, this throws down the gauntlet for Bethesda.  I'm hoping they take the challenge and try to one-up Bioware.  I can only imagine the results.

[Rasande]

It's just how people work. People love Skyrim despite it's faults(me included) and some may not have played it for awhile, the longer you didn't play it the easier it is to forget it's weaknesses, easpecially when compared to a new game with all it's pros and cons fresh in their memories.

 

But thb i think they play so diffirently i don't even think they should be compared, but that's another subject

[Gigamantis]

All ambitious games release with their fair share of problems and get beat up by the fans.  This is a fantastic game, though, and if it gets patched up appropriately it will likely be remembered as one of the greats by most people. 

[dupont1]

Bad parts? What bad parts?

[Linkenski]

I loved Skyrim, but I wish Inquisition would've just tried to be Dragon Age and not Skyrim. Skyrim is all about exploration, discovering caverns, climbing the mountains and seeing what goes on in the cities and stuff. DAI's good part is the part where I get to walk around Skyhold and talk to companions or doing the main quests or personal companion quests. The core part of the game has become tedious and dragged out and I'm seriously wondering if I'll ever feel like replaying it.

There's just seemingly a wall of bullshit padding at every corner that keeps me away from all the things Bioware actually did right with this game. I love the environments in how beautiful they are, but they are way too big and far too little of the actual main plot takes place in those areas.

I say, next time, Bioware, focus on a more condense RPG experience, like ME1, ME2 or Dragon Age Origins, where the middle chunk of the story is non-linear but the prologue and endgame has one path with many branches, instead of a massive kindergarten with too few playthings.

It's just... Inquisition makes me keep playing and playing but everytime I walk away from my console all I can think of is how much better this game would've been had the sheer amount of total content been significantly less.

You want to make your players keep playing your game, but you shouldn't need to exhaust them and make them stop playing because it's too boring.

[robmokron]

i think alot of it has to do with expectations and how the two games are presented.

 

Skyrim was a sandbox , people dont play the game for the story but the adventure you create.

 

Dragon Age on the other hand people play to craft their hero in ITS story.

 

People expect exploration with Skyrim so when the story is lacking the excuse is " its an Elder Scrolls game, what evs"

 

but for DA:I its " Its a story driven game, why is there so much space with fetch quests"

 

I think the game is fine so far, but that seems to be the norm

[Seneva]

I guess im one of the few who finished Skyrim once then shelved it because it was boring as hell for me.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Actually, with Skyrim, I only had two bugs at launch and neither were gamebreakers.

 

- An Orcish stronghold quest didn't fire properly.

- The haunted house didn't fire properly, instead causing the effects (flying objects, ground shaking, red skies and mist everywhere) to appear in the world instead, making it look like Tamriel had been hit by the Apocalypse. So basically, awesome.

 

Now with DAI, I've run into freezing cutscenes during main quest (looking at you, Western Approach) missions and they happen every time.