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I'm curious about what everyone's take is on what Hawke has been up to since Kirkwall and his/her role in Inquisition.

 

Personally, I'm not that satisfied with it, and it's sort of altered my view of Hawke as the big hero of Varric's legends -- I really thought the character deserved better/could do more.

 

(Inc wall of text, lots of Spoilers, TLDR at bottom, yes I put too much thought into this :P).

 

Mostly, I just don't understand why Hawke would ignore the mage-templar war in favor of investigating red lyrium. Sure, the lyrium is important, but it seems like something that can wait or be given to someone else to look after, given that there's a huge destabilizing war going on in which, for many, Hawke has become a central figure. Whether for the templars, the mages, or as a peacekeeper, you'd think Hawke would have way more motivation to be jumping into the fray to -do- something than he would to disappear to research lyrium.

 

Now, I can buy into the idea that, for the 3 years between the Kirkwall Rebellion and when Varric is interrogated by Cassandra, maybe Hawke was just on the run, worried about attracting the Divine's negative attention, and wouldn't be too moved to act since things don't really start to go to hell until that year (9:40, when Varric's interrogated). 

 

Things get a little harder for me to swallow when Varric chooses to lie to Cassandra about Hawke's whereabouts, but I can still work it out. I mean, yes, she does make it pretty clear that she's only loyal to the Divine and just truly needs Hawke's help to stop the slaughter. Buuuut....she also kidnapped and interrogated him, so maybe he's just being cautious and plans to tell Hawke about the Divine needing him/her after Cassandra lets him go. 

 

Between when Varric is interrogated and when Inquisition starts, a year passes with still no Hawke. But communication could be slow, maybe it takes awhile to find Hawke, who knows. We do know that when the game starts, Varric was there originally to talk to the Divine about Hawke (finally!).....before everything exploded in green. Damn. 

 

This is where things start to feel wrong to me though and I have to start reconsidering my view of Hawke. Why wouldn't Varric immediately tell everyone about Hawke then? Or why wouldn't Hawke just reveal themselves? The need was obviously there, you'd think the motivation would be too.

 

Even when Hawke does jump into things, it's all about Corypheus and has little to do with the war Hawke had a responsibility towards. Assuming he survives (and if he doesn't, I'd argue that it's the one heroic thing he can do the whole game) he doesn't even stick around afterwards to help with the continued fight, and leaves the war to be resolved by the Inquisitor and the Inquisition while he takes off to grey warden headquarters to go be a messenger.....as he literally stands next to a perfectly able-bodied grey warden. I just...what? 

 

The only way any of this makes sense for me, is if I think of Hawke as just much less important, and less of a hero figure, than the Inquisitor or the Warden. DA2 starts with Hawke just looking out for his family. He was catapulted into being an important figure in Kirkwall, he didn't necessarily choose it, and in the end, despite his best efforts, war breaks out anyway.

 

Maybe this takes a toll on him, and he decides he's done with "heroing" and just spends the next 3-4 years reverting to looking out for those he cares about, which leads Varric to being hesitant to draw Hawke back into things until he's absolutely needed?

 

When I think of that scene with the Inquisitor and Hawke looking out from atop Skyfall, and Hawke wearily says that, eventually, all he saw below him were all the people who depended on him, and the Inquisitor replies that Hawke only had a city to look after, while the Inquisitor has all of Thedas, it really hits home for me how much less important/heroic the character of Hawke has become. 

 

I really thought Hawke, as a character, had more potential and was better than this, so I'm a bit bummed out that he's been pushed to the wayside and become small-time. 

 

TLDR: Hawke wasn't a player in the mage-templar war, which should've been his fight, and the excuse of "because he was chasing red lyrium" feels pretty weak -- it feels like he didn't step up to the plate, and let the Inquisitor end his war for him. The role he does play in Inquisition has little to do with the mage-templar war, and he doesn't stick around long enough to do anything that lives up to the hero and story we created in DA2. In light of this, it might make more sense to start looking at Hawke as more of a small-fry hero, in comparison to the Inquisitor and the Warden. 

 

What does everyone else think? I'd actually love to hear from someone who disagrees and thinks that Hawke lived up to his expectation/past actions, because I'd love to be able to find a way to still see him as my awesome,big-time  snarky hero from DA2. :P Does his portrayal in Inquisition change anyone else's impression of him? Do you think he could still be important later and make up for his role here? Or maybe investigating red lyrium was an important, pressing enough task to justify staying out of the war? Mostly I'm just trying to get a better picture and more understanding of one of my favorite characters. :)

 

 

 

 


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My thoughts on Hawke are that I screwed up his customization and now he looks like a cross between Pete Wentz and a musketeer

not cool


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I was actually pleasantly surprised with it. I liked the fact that her "disappearance" had a mundane explanation and was completely unrelated to the Warden's disappearance(which was also completely mundane).

 

For all everyone was expecting Flemeth or someone to have abducted them both, I found it refreshing that they simply had their own things to do.


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My Hawke spent a lot of time condemning blood magic for an inveterate blood mage. But he was probably just keeping his blood magic use on the DL because had no idea if the Inquisitor was cool. Smart!


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My Hawke didn't want that responsibility, it was tossed at them by Anders. After 7 years in Kirkwall they wanted nothing to do with that mage-templar ****. But then Bioware says - no, your Hawke helped many Circles to rebel and went on some fishy errand with some Warden I barely remember.

 

Well, thanks.


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My Hawke spent a lot of time condemning blood magic for an inveterate blood mage. But he was probably just keeping his blood magic use on the DL because had no idea if the Inquisitor was cool. Smart!

 

"Filthy Blood Mages! Crawling into my head!"

 

Seriously though. Hawke would have to be a complete idiot to out himself as a Blood Mage to someone called the Herald of Andraste who happens to be the leader of the most powerful organization in Southern Thedas whose power was consolidated in a matter of weeks? months?

 

Yeah, smart.


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My Hawke didn't want that responsibility, it was tossed at them by Anders. After 7 years in Kirkwall they wanted nothing to do with that mage-templar ****. But then Bioware says - no, your Hawke helped many Circles to rebel and went on some fishy errand with some Warden I barely remember.

 

Well, thanks.

 

Odd; I didn't get anything about helping Circles rebel beyond the Gallows.



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Odd; I didn't get anything about helping Circles rebel beyond the Gallows.

Not mine, but it'll do:

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Probably depends on whether you agreed or didn't agree with Anders' rhetoric.


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Not mine, but it'll do:

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Huh. Yea, I talked to Hawke about everything available and didn't get that line. Though my Hawke sided with the mages, she also disagreed with and executed Anders. Think those decisions might factor into it?



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Huh. Yea, I talked to Hawke about everything available and didn't get that line. Though my Hawke sided with the mages, she also disagreed with and executed Anders. Think those decisions might factor into it?

Hmm, possible. That's alive Anders, don't know about disagreement.



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My Hawke was also a warrior with Bethany in the wardens, so I don't know if that factors in or not.

 

Also could be that Hawke was speaking figuratively there; that the uprising at the Gallows was what pushed the other circles to taking that final step.

 

Anyway, unrelated, at first I was curious about how Hawke met Loghain, but I think I've got it figured.

 

In worldstates where Loghain joined the wardens and survived, he was actually the one Hawke met in the deep roads and again during the battle of Kirkwall, not Stroud. Stroud may have been with him, part of his unit, but Loghain was the one in command. Why did we see Stroud? Because Varric knew how controversial a figure Loghain was and decided to leave him out of the book/his story to Cassandra.



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The problem with sequels to games that allow significant choice by the player is that you often write yourself into a corner and have to belittle former themes and characters in the process. (And I'm going to try and make my point without once again elaborating on my theory that Hawke was originally meant to be the hero of this game, as well, before DAII received the negativity it did.)

 

While Hawke is a fairly established character, there is still room left for interpretation by the player. No matter what you choose, the Mage Rebellion will still start, Anders will still be the cause, Orsino will still be an idiot and Meredith will still be under the influence of a strange new lyrium nobody understands. Where things differ afterward comes in one's interpretation of Hawke's actions, and what these essential plot elements mean to the character.

 

You could easily say that Hawke was intelligent enough to realize that the red lyrium was the true threat and that the Rebellion was merely a byproduct of its nature; "kill a weed by pulling at the root" mentality. Yes, she was a central figure in this conflict, but obligating herself to a war leader may not have been the smartest thing to do if red lyrium could, in fact, further corrupt other powers and start more wars in the future.

 

You could just as easily say that Hawke was broken after Anders's betrayal and, after the initial conflict was over, she just felt too guilty to allow herself to be a figurehead for this revolution. She didn't go into hiding for any reason besides guilt and shame after she failed to save her city or her family.

 

These are just two points of view to be made. There are plenty of others. The problem with Hawke's reintroduction to the series as a NPC instead of a PC is that it changes the interpretation of the character to a default, rather than one combined with the player's imagination. DA:I's Hawke is a reflection of your former choices combined with Bioware's interpretation of those choices; DAII's Hawke is an active story being told by the player's own imagination and guided by Bioware's branching paths. They could write Hawke in as a NPC in this game, sure, but it's impossible to take into account the user's personal interpretation of the character, which is why you're conflicted. It's unavoidable.


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On the other hand Warden did not get as far as much as Hawke, and I am not even warden supporter despite that I liked warden story much more than Hawke´s.

 

 

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On the other hand Warden did not get as far as much as Hawke, and I am not even warden supporter despite that I liked warden story much more than Hawke´s.

 

 

Sten would say something like: Be grateful...

 

My warden romanced and had a child with Morrigan, then followed her into the Eluvian. I was satisfied with the references to the Warden, since you can talk to Morrigan about it and she gives you a nice bit of a dialogue about their domestic situation, lol.


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Well, honestly. He is the one that released Corypheus. The fact that he wanted to help fight him is not surprising. Plus, the Mage/Templar war had gone far beyond Hawke. Taking part in the war on any one side wouldn't have helped anything. It was pointless death on both sides. He probably realized that.


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Why does the female default Hawke look nothing like default hawke? She doesn't look like she did in the one trailer.


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I thought Hawke's storyline was good in DA:I. I was happy to see her in-game and I wished I'd paid more attention to what was happening in DA:2. 



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I was fine with it, because I had always believed that red lyrium was a significant threat and that my Hawke was looking into it A- the only thing I was wrong about was believing that my Hawke and my Warden were investigating the red lyrium issue together.

As far as I'm concerned, I think my Hawke wisely took the longer view, plus she was still with Anders and really did have to lie low for his sake (didn't really approve of his actions, but he was my LI and I just couldn't kill him in the end as far as DA2 went). Maybe you should take into consideration the fact that Hawke had witnessed exactly how devastating and insidious red lyrium's effects could be - first on Bartrand, then on Meredith.

Just a little bit of it in the hands of the wrong person led to the kind of madness that almost consumed the world.

 

EDIT: My sarcastic Hawke was, in fact, sarcastic and had what I felt were suitably dry responses/joking lines - more than enough for my tastes. Additionally, I found out about my Warden's fate, and hey, I'm happy with the fact that she's doing something that I consider equally worthy.

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I can understand looking into the red lyrium, but not sticking around afterwords when he said "corypheus was my burden" or something to that effect, was a real dick move on his part.  Thats the only problem i have.... plus even though i gave him the joke attitude in the keep, it barely showed in only a few dialogue choices, and they weren't nearly as memorable or funny as some of the stuff he said in da2.



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Kinda wish Hawke stayed with us instead of going to Weisshaupt.. -_-

 

 

Apart from this, i really loved seeing her and damn, her hilarious comments sometimes. (sad that she wasn't constantly joking though)


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I never feel truly attach to Hawke nor feel like he/she represent the player as themselves since DA2, and no offence to Hawke's fan but in DAI. I just feel like he's just unique npc completely outside of player's influence and control. I personally think Hawke is quite a hypocrite if he/she was blood mage in DA2, since he/she condemning any use of blood magic while using one him/herself.

 

Other than that I like Hawke's treatment in DAI so far, and I'm glad he/she don't overshadow or steal the Inquisitor's spotlight. I'm a bit confused and upset at Hawke's reason to leave his/her LI behind. There goes my happy ending headcanon. 



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How did he meet Loghain and how did they become friends? My Hawke and Loghain are the exact opposite of each other, I found it extremely weird that they would get along.



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How did he meet Loghain and how did they become friends? My Hawke and Loghain are the exact opposite of each other, I found it extremely weird that they would get along.

The same could be said for Hawke friendship with Stroud or Warden Alistair, but I suppose that's awfully convenient in writing since it's all happen off screen.



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How did he meet Loghain and how did they become friends? My Hawke and Loghain are the exact opposite of each other, I found it extremely weird that they would get along.

"Oh, hey! You're the leader who took the fall at the dawn of a revolution? I'll drink to that."