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[Bayonet Hipshot]

For someone people are claiming to be smart, Sera sure does lash out in verbal violence and metaphorically puts her head up in her arse when you ask her about Elven gods, Mythal and Andraste...

 

I mean a smart person would actually try to understand what is going on and perhaps come to the conclusion that Andraste maybe a tale of half-truths...Not be a willful ignoramus...

 

A smart person would try to make an effort to learn a new language that someone is trying to teach them...Not make fart noises...

 

So I truly do not know where this "Oh Sera is smart but she is misunderstood" thing comes from...

[jellobell]

Nah. I like Sera. Sure, she's flawed , acts stupid when she's smarter then that, a rebel with a cause that no ones really know what it is exactly, but she a good character with a good story. She's loyal and stands by you in the end. Plus, she's funny as hell! Even when i disagree with some of their beliefs, I can always find a reason to like them ( Even Anders ) The ONLY companion out of ALL the games i don't like AT ALL is Vivienne. SHE'S a total ******.   

She's a rebel for the sake of it. She has no clue what she's fighting for. I don't think she's stupid, but I think that she doesn't think about her actions, which means that she ends up doing and saying stupid things. Even the kinship she feels for the "little" people is scattered and vague. She does stuff to be doing something.

 

I dunno, compared to everyone else in the Inquisition she seems so...young. I'm not saying that Sera isn't sympathetic in her own way, but I kinda wish I could tell her to grow the **** up.

[High Inquisitor]

Not far off! ... In another thread where one person thought she had a cockney accent another Essex, I said it sounded northern and guessed Nottingham.

Seen a lot of people on various forums comment on her cockney accent!

 

Nottingham is spot on - I hear that accent every day.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

This banter just showed how ridiculously idiotic Sera is...

[LinksOcarina]

The problem with Sera is she already has her convictions, and sees the world ignorantly as a black and white one. 

 

I personally think shes a brilliant character, but she is also one that I don't like in the grand scheme of things. Her point of view is one of ignorance and self-assurance, like a teenager thinking they know how the world works. I have taught kids like that before, but they eventually learn that it's much more complex.

 

From the look of things, Sera doesn't learn that lesson, or has the chance to. This is fine in the end as a character arc, but it's also an annoying one to deal with.

 

She is intelligent for what it's worth, but it's a street-smart kind of hidden intelligence.

[WildOrchid]

@Kim: Cass and IB like her. So does Varric, but Varric likes everyone. Everyone else either hates her, or is hated by her.

 

Dorian goes along well with her. Blackwall likes her. And Sera likes both.

 

 

Also some ppl need to take a chill pill. Like for real.

[Seraphim24]

I don't think she was well written. There's a difference between a divisive character and a character you are supposed to hate. King Joffrey in ASoIaF/GoT was intended to be utterly repulsive and a horrid person and in the show adaptation Jack Gleeson knocked it out of the park.

Sera doesn't cone across to me as being written to be intentionally unlikable.

 

See but Joffrey doesn't really register for me either, I know what he is for the most part, so I don't really experience anything. I don't think you could ever find me going "Oh Joffrey is such an X" because I feel confident enough everyone else will have an exactly similar opinion and there is nothing worth discussing.

 

But again, "hate," if you just "hated" Joffrey or Sera you wouldn't bring them up at all. I don't think most people realize it but when they discuss something in any context, whether negatively or positively, it indicates a degree of interest. I don't actively think or contemplate "hatred" of a serial killer, it's just such an obvious association of dislike or un-interest that again there is simply nothing to add to the conversation.

 

Obviously this kind of thinking leads to considerably more complicated moral and ethical implications but frankly I associate commentary, positive or negative, with being challenged in some way. A truly hateful or hated character wouldn't produce the same response.

 

Basically, if she was really, genuinely, unlikable, by everyone, this thread probably wouldn't exist. If she's just such an obviously horrible, ego-tistical, ew type of character, why are you even here? Wouldn't you want to get away from Sera and as much Sera material as quickly as possible? Why ruminate on hatred of all things?

[LinksOcarina]

 

This banter just showed how ridiculously idiotic Sera is...

 

Not gonna lie, I laughed at the callback to Garrus' line from Mass Effect 2. 

[Steelcan]

I think they intended Sera to be the lovable rogue who plays by her own rules, I have trouble believing they intended her to be a petulant child better suited to reform school than a battle

[Milan92]

 

Also some ppl need to take a chill pill. Like for real.

 

Oh come on, nobody is overeacting or freaking out. 

 

People are simply posting reasonable opinions. Its not like they are saying its wrong to like Sera.

[Seraphim24]

I think the idea was probably to blend those two sources of behavior into one. Petulance, selfishness, independence? These are all just different viewpoints of the same behavior. You can shift contexts and perspectives on a single act and achieve different "moral" outcomes. This is the only aspect of DA:I that reminds me of being a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.

 

Perhaps that's not her full arc or character though, or they murked that attempt at achieving actual gray area, because I haven't experienced it all, but again if she truly was just a petulant child I doubt you would waste anymore time here, or even bother to read anyone's responses because you know what she is, theoretically. I don't think she seems like, you know, the most awesome character ever...

 

....but the existence of this entire thread then makes me believe they did succeed in generating real gray area.

[Steelcan]

Doesn't mean I can't discuss what I think of her with others who think otherwise or similarly

[jellobell]

The problem with Sera is she already has her convictions, and sees the world ignorantly as a black and white one. 

 

I personally think shes a brilliant character, but she is also one that I don't like in the grand scheme of things. Her point of view is one of ignorance and self-assurance, like a teenager thinking they know how the world works. I have taught kids like that before, but they eventually learn that it's much more complex.

 

From the look of things, Sera doesn't learn that lesson, or has the chance to. This is fine in the end as a character arc, but it's also an annoying one to deal with.

 

She is intelligent for what it's worth, but it's a street-smart kind of hidden intelligence.

Well said. Basically what I think of her.

 

I don't think she's badly-written at all. I do, however, wish she's gotten the opportunity to grow more as a person. Because if there's one character who needs it, it's her.

[WildOrchid]

Oh come on, nobody is overeacting or freaking out. 

 

People are simply posting reasonable opinions. Its not like they are saying its wrong to like Sera.

 

Not directing to those who post opinions but some people in other threads were clearly overeacting. Like, it actually made me laugh.

 

Sera has flaws. Everyone has flaws. And yet she's probably the one to be judged simply because of the way she acts.

[Giantdeathrobot]

For someone people are claiming to be smart, Sera sure does lash out in verbal violence and metaphorically puts her head up in her arse when you ask her about Elven gods, Mythal and Andraste...

 

I mean a smart person would actually try to understand what is going on and perhaps come to the conclusion that Andraste maybe a tale of half-truths...Not be a willful ignoramus...

 

A smart person would try to make an effort to learn a new language that someone is trying to teach them...Not make fart noises...

 

So I truly do not know where this "Oh Sera is smart but she is misunderstood" thing comes from...

 

Yeah, I lost any esteem I could possibly have for her when, coming back from Mythal's temple, she starts mocking the ancient Elves and says that all we saw was just lies and trickery made by demons. Like, really, how can anyone be so stupid? I understand that she's short-sighted, but that's just wilfull blindness and is far worse if you ask me.

 

I mean, don't get me wrong, I realise she was written that way and that we cannot only have companions that are really intelligent, so it's not Bioware's fault. But even the companions who don't come off as geniuses, like say Iron Bull, can have some insights and aren't treated as being dumb. Sera is just, well, stupid.

 

At this point I have a feeling Cole has more of a clue of how the real world works than Sera. And Cole's is not even from the real world.

[LinksOcarina]

Yeah, I lost any esteem I could possibly have for her when, coming back from Mythal's temple, she starts mocking the ancient Elves and says that all we saw was just lies and trickery made by demons. Like, really, how can anyone be so stupid? I understand that she's short-sighted, but that's just wilfull blindness and is far worse if you ask me.

 

I mean, don't get me wrong, I realise she was written that way and that we cannot only have companions that are really intelligent, so it's not Bioware's fault. But even the companions who don't come off as geniuses, like say Iron Bull, can have some insights and aren't treated as being dumb. Sera is just, well, stupid.

 

At this point I have a feeling Cole has more of a clue of how the real world works than Sera. And Cole's is not even from the real world.

 

Cole is also willing to learn. That is a major stepping stone. 

[Seraphim24]

Of course not, but in doing so you give away that she in fact presents something challenging or different, because again, I believe true "hatred" or disdain comes in the form of complete ignorance.

 

Anyway, I just wanted to address that point made earlier about "divisive" characters. If something is producing a large volume of commentary, positive or negative, it's probably worth looking into why that's the case. Elizabeth Bathory or whatever wouldn't do any such thing.

[jellobell]

Not directing to those who post opinions but some people in other threads were clearly overeacting. Like, it actually made me laugh.

 

Sera has flaws. Everyone has flaws. And yet she's probably the one to be judged simply because of the way she acts.

But...how else are we supposed to judge her? All of the characters are judged based on the way they act. I haven't seen any overreactions like you're describing. Just people talking about her character. 

[Milan92]

Not directing to those who post opinions but some people in other threads were clearly overeacting. Like, it actually made me laugh.

 

Sera has flaws. Everyone has flaws. And yet she's probably the one to be judged simply because of the way she acts.

 

Sorry but I think the flaws argument is really weak.

[Rifneno]

Not directing to those who post opinions but some people in other threads were clearly overeacting. Like, it actually made me laugh.
 
Sera has flaws. Everyone has flaws. And yet she's probably the one to be judged simply because of the way she acts.

Yes, judging people on their actions is so very wrong.

[ADeadDiehard]

I think they intended Sera to be the lovable rogue who plays by her own rules, I have trouble believing they intended her to be a petulant child better suited to reform school than a battle

If there's future DLC that features Sera, I hope she ends up getting the same treatment Carver did in the DA2 DLCs. A less abrasive personality coupled with a healthy amount of fun jabs at their character flaws.

[Milan92]

 

This banter just showed how ridiculously idiotic Sera is...

 

I just listened to it. What I mostly noticed is how insecure Sera actually is. 

[Steelcan]

When a person answers a language they don't speak with fart noises they are going to be judged. She's lucky I'm not judging her for that crap she pulled on her personal mission,it'd likely end with a less happy ending than she'd like

[jellobell]

If there's future DLC that features Sera, I hope she ends up getting the same treatment Carver did in the DA2 DLCs. A less abrasive personality coupled with a healthy amount of fun jabs at their character flaws.

Heh. Sera does sort of remind me of Carver, though I had a way different reaction to him than to her. Probably because Carver is my Hawke's bratty baby brother, who says dumb **** but is there for her when it counts (I friendshipped him and make him a warden), whereas Sera is my Inquisitor's ally who's expected to pull her own weight and be an effective member of a team. I also think Carver worked better because he was such a butt monkey. He was all bark and no bite.

[LinksOcarina]

Heh. Sera does sort of remind me of Carver, though I had a way different reaction to him than to her. Probably because Carver is my Hawke's bratty baby brother, who says dumb **** but is there for her when it counts (I friendshipped him and make him a warden), whereas Sera is my Inquisitor's ally who's expected to pull her own weight and be an effective member of a team. I also think Carver worked better because he was such a butt monkey. He was all bark and no bite.

 

He was a brother, that's what brothers do.