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[WildOrchid]

If there's future DLC that features Sera, I hope she ends up getting the same treatment Carver did in the DA2 DLCs. A less abrasive personality coupled with a healthy amount of fun jabs at their character flaws.

 

Mm, i'd like a dlc like this.

[ADeadDiehard]

Heh. Sera does sort of remind me of Carver, though I had a way different reaction to him than to her. Probably because Carver is my Hawke's bratty baby brother, who says dumb **** but is there for her when it counts (I friendshipped him and make him a warden), whereas Sera is my Inquisitor's ally who's expected to pull her own weight and be an effective member of a team. I also think Carver worked better because he was such a butt monkey. He was all bark and no bite.

Considering they have the same writer, it's understandable. BUT there's a few traits Carver has that puts him over Sera. For one, you know why Carver has a stick up his ass (inferiority complex) and secondly, he can actually grow over the course of the story (or kill him off if you want some drama). Sera has neither advantage, which is a shame.

[Rifneno]

Considering they have the same writer, it's understandable. BUT there's a few traits Carver has that puts him over Sera. For one, you know why Carver has a stick up his ass (inferiority complex) and secondly, he can actually grow over the course of the story (or kill him off if you want some drama). Sera has neither advantage, which is a shame.

What about Aveline? My God, she was just atrocious. And I thought Wynne was preachy. No matter how saintly you were, Aveline was still busting your chops. And don't get me started on the Fade. She's the only character who couldn't admit it was their failing in the Fade. Even Fenris admits he was weak in letting the demon tempt him. Not Aveline, because she's weak and pathetic in more ways than one.

[Ryzaki]

Oh man that Varric banter is painful to listen too.

 

God I'm having Amoedouche flashbacks.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Cole is also willing to learn. That is a major stepping stone. 

 

And he actually wants to help, even if his ways are strange. Sera seemingly just wants to **** stuff up and justifies with with a veneer of sticking it to the man.

 

Also, I feel that Carver was better written (or at least more tolerable) because he wasn't an idiot. He was a butt monkey who was completely overshadowed by the PC, but honestly, it seems like a fairly realistic reaction to having your sibling be a video game protagonist, the kind of person who can kill a roomful of people with his hands tied behind their backs and gets to woo all the ladies/gentlemen/both. Almost any younger sibling would be jealous. More importantly, he actually grows out of it as the story progresses and becomes his own man. Sera stays what she is and refuses to listen when the PC suggests anything.

[LinksOcarina]

What about Aveline? My God, she was just atrocious. And I thought Wynne was preachy. No matter how saintly you were, Aveline was still busting your chops. And don't get me started on the Fade. She's the only character who couldn't admit it was their failing in the Fade. Even Fenris admits he was weak in letting the demon tempt him. Not Aveline, because she's weak and pathetic in more ways than one.

 

Aveline acts to be an exemplar of her station, so admitting flaws is foreign to her. That is her character flaw and it's one she doesn't really have to work through, because she knows when to apply pressure and when to not on Hawke and company.

 

I thought she was well done overall honestly. 

[jellobell]

Considering they have the same writer, it's understandable. BUT there's a few traits Carver has that puts him over Sera. For one, you know why Carver has a stick up his ass (inferiority complex) and secondly, he can actually grow over the course of the story (or kill him off if you want some drama). Sera has neither advantage, which is a shame.

His growth over the course of the game is indeed why I like Carver better. That was a benefit of DA2's timeskips. Carver was given the chance to grow over time, whereas Sera was not. Unfortunately, this makes her a less well-rounded character. Also you only know the "why" because Carver is family, which Sera isn't. You don't get the same kind of insight into her personality, which is one of the problems.

 

But also, the family context matters in more than just insight. I'm willing to put up with a lot more from a brother who is tagging along with me on my adventures around our city than from my new ally. I'm less inclined to be sympathetic towards Sera because sometimes I seriously can't see why my Inquisitor should put up with her sh*t. Perhaps I'm still bitter about the vallaslin thing. Did I mention how awful that was?

[ADeadDiehard]

What about Aveline? My God, she was just atrocious. And I thought Wynne was preachy. No matter how saintly you were, Aveline was still busting your chops. And don't get me started on the Fade. She's the only character who couldn't admit it was their failing in the Fade. Even Fenris admits he was weak in letting the demon tempt him. Not Aveline, because she's weak and pathetic in more ways than one.

Aveline was hard-headed and, at certain points, nagging. But I think she fit the role of team mom splendidly (the drink after All That Remains being a standout example) People can be flawed, Sera just doesn't really compensate with anything besides bees.

 

 

His growth over the course of the game is indeed why I like Carver better. That was a benefit of DA2's timeskips. Carver was given the chance to grow over time, whereas Sera was not. Unfortunately, this makes her a less well-rounded character. Also you only know the "why" because Carver is family, which Sera isn't. You don't get the same kind of insight into her personality, which is one of the problems.

 

But also, the family context matters in more than just insight. I'm willing to put up with a lot more from a brother who is tagging along with me on my adventures around our city than from my new ally. I'm less inclined to be sympathetic towards Sera because sometimes I seriously can't see why my Inquisitor should put up with her sh*t. Perhaps I'm still bitter about the vallaslin thing. Did I mention how awful that was?

 

I only know the context. Any specific lines that stand out?

[Ap0crypha]

See, I liked Carver back before his character development because a) I could actually understand why he acted the way he did, and he showed signs of caring about Hawke. It showed he wasn't an irredeemable ass, just a petulant brother who needed to grow up a bit. And once he did grow up, he became a much stronger character and I could stand by and be proud, because I knew the potential was in him.

 

My Inquisitors don't have any familial ties to Sera--they don't have any reason to put up with her crap. Especially not when the end of the world is nigh, and especially not when she seems intent on annoying them.

 

You know, I actually have to wonder if she's really a part of the Friends. They just seemed so much more subtle than her in the other two games. She's so much of a wild card, I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked her out and now she only acts like she's still with them to justify her actions.

[KaiserShep]

She wouldn't be able to get any information at all if she wasn't part of the Friends.

[ZoliCs]

I wouldn't go so far as call her a b!tch.

 

I would call her the worst character ever created in the history of video games.

 

An absolute disaster on every level - from conception, writing, design and acting.  Abysmal.

If someone will ever write an essay about haters, (s)he will base that on this post.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

 

This banter just showed how ridiculously idiotic Sera is...

 

lol they remind me of YouTube commenters at times...

[ADeadDiehard]

She wouldn't be able to get any information at all if she wasn't part of the Friends.

Do the Friends actually get information for the Inquisition? Aside from the jar of bees.

[kipac]

Internet is full of negativity

[ADeadDiehard]

Internet is full of negativity

Really? Where's the specific hate thread for anyone who isn't Sera or Vivienne?

[jellobell]

I only know the context. Any specific lines that stand out?

Well basically, Sera asks "what's goin' on with your face?" after Solas removes your vallaslin and crushes your heart after telling you that everything you thought you knew was a lie. And you can answer her politely, saying that they were originally slave markings, and that the meaning was misinterpreted. And maybe it was just me, but Alix puts such sadness into those line reads. And then Sera...laughs.

 

Inquisitor: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything *fart noise*

 

Thanks a bunch, Sera. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Well basically, Sera asks "what's goin' on with your face?" after Solas removes your vallaslin and crushes your heart after telling you that everything you thought you knew was a lie. And you can answer her politely, saying that they were originally slave markings, and that the meaning was misinterpreted. And maybe it was just me, but Alix puts such sadness into those line reads. And then Sera...laughs.

 

Inquisitor: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything *fart noise*

 

Thanks a bunch, Sera. 

Why some people still love Sera after this...is beyond me, but I suppose to each his own.

[jellobell]

Why some people still love Sera after this...is beyond me, but I suppose to each his own.

I just...I see where she's coming from. She hates that elves are treated differently because she feels like she has more in common with your average human serving maid than she does with any of the Dalish.

 

But at the same time that was a supremely sh*tty thing to say to somebody when they're feeling vulnerable (and post-vallaslin removal is probably the most vulnerable an elven Inquisitor is the entire game). And it personally made me really really angry with her.

[ADeadDiehard]

Well basically, Sera asks "what's goin' on with your face?" after Solas removes your vallaslin and crushes your heart after telling you that everything you thought you knew was a lie. And you can answer her politely, saying that they were originally slave markings, and that the meaning was misinterpreted. And maybe it was just me, but Alix puts such sadness into those line reads. And then Sera...laughs.

 

Inquisitor: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything *fart noise*

 

Thanks a bunch, Sera. 

WOW. That's just vile.

I mean, Fenris and Anders said some horrible things to Merrill back in DA2, but I doubt any of them actually got off on her misery.

 

Silver lining? I've now got a reason to turn Friendly Fire on.

[jellobell]

Here's the full dialogue.

 

Sera: So, what's going on with your face? You go off with Solas, and now your elfy dealies are gone.

Lavellan: (Chooses option to tell her) They weren't what I thought. Originally, they were slave markings. Solas told me how they were misinterpreted. The meaning changed.

Sera: (snickers)

Lavellan: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything. *fart noise* I mean, you know now. But they put on all this "real elf" stuff, and I knew it--it's all just fancy dress. Nobody knows anything about "real elves" except they're gone.

Lavellan: (top right option) A mistake doesn't mean it's worthless. We can remember, but also choose to grow.

Sera: There's that "we" stuff again. "We" means "us against them." But I like "them." (chuckling) All those faces. That's just funny.

 

So...yeah. Blah. Maybe I would've felt differently if there was anyone who actually comforted you. But no, it's just Sera saying "I told you so".

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Here's the full dialogue.

 

Sera: So, what's going on with your face? You go off with Solas, and now your elfy dealies are gone.

Lavellan: (Chooses option to tell her) They weren't what I thought. Originally, they were slave markings. Solas told me how they were misinterpreted. The meaning changed.

Sera: (snickers)

Lavellan: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything. *fart noise* I mean, you know now. But they put on all this "real elf" stuff, and I knew it--it's all just fancy dress. Nobody knows anything about "real elves" except they're gone.

Lavellan: (top right option) A mistake doesn't mean it's worthless. We can remember, but also choose to grow.

Sera: There's that "we" stuff again. "We" means "us against them." But I like "them." (chuckling) All those faces. That's just funny.

 

So...yeah. Blah. Maybe I would've felt differently if there was anyone who actually comforted you. But no, it's just Sera saying "I told you so".

You would expect Sera to comfort you or grieving with you since she's supposed to be your "friend", but no...Sera has to beat you while you're down with those vile words and foul manner. That just low. So much for friendship...oh it's Sera, hell even Isabela who is morally loose person comfort Hawke when Leandra is gone. Sorry, but I couldn't bring myself to like Sera at all.

[Ap0crypha]

Ugh. Reading that whole thing just makes me despise her more. Who the hell chooses to rub something in a friend's face while they're at an emotional low, instead of comforting them?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Ugh. Reading that whole thing just makes me despise her more. Who the hell chooses to rub something in a friend's face while they're at an emotional low, instead of comforting them?

Any person with a heart wouldn't beat you while you're down after you learned that your whole life is a lie, and any person with a heart wouldn't beat you when you're vulnerable. Ugh, Sera. You're heartless vixen. That said, I want to applaud her writer...I dislike a lot of characters in DA universe, but I never despise a character so much until now.

[Eonetic]

Sera is vile.

 

Apart from being naive,daft,incompetent,cruel i could go on forever.

 

She uses "big people" or whatever term she finds fitting to describe people she despises for pathetic reasons and working for the good of common people as an excuse to do whatever she likes.

 

She reminds me of a psychopath although a very daft one.

 

 

Spoiler

To bad you cant kill her

[Bigdoser]

Here's the full dialogue.

 

Sera: So, what's going on with your face? You go off with Solas, and now your elfy dealies are gone.

Lavellan: (Chooses option to tell her) They weren't what I thought. Originally, they were slave markings. Solas told me how they were misinterpreted. The meaning changed.

Sera: (snickers)

Lavellan: ...What are you laughing about?

Sera: The Dalish! They don't know anything. *fart noise* I mean, you know now. But they put on all this "real elf" stuff, and I knew it--it's all just fancy dress. Nobody knows anything about "real elves" except they're gone.

Lavellan: (top right option) A mistake doesn't mean it's worthless. We can remember, but also choose to grow.

Sera: There's that "we" stuff again. "We" means "us against them." But I like "them." (chuckling) All those faces. That's just funny.

 

So...yeah. Blah. Maybe I would've felt differently if there was anyone who actually comforted you. But no, it's just Sera saying "I told you so".

Wow I gotta make a dalish elf does solas still remove them if you are male and have high approval after the whole elf section? Oh and Sera that is simply a low blow and real low blow and a vile one.