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[robertthebard]

Wut.
 
So you're saying that the Inquisitor went in and used blood magic to force Sera to say horrible things? Because that's the only way I can think of that the Inquisitor would be responsible for what Sera chose to say.

Not at all, what I'm saying is pretty clear: The Inquisitor chose to go to the most anti-elfy person in the game for comfort when they found out that everything they thought made them superior was a lie, and then can't figure out why it wasn't "cookies on the roof", but it's not their fault. I find this to be truly hilarious, especially those that keep insisting that making a poor decision on who to go to for comfort isn't the Inquisitor's fault. Even though, I guess, realistically, it's not, it's the player's fault for making poor decisions, but we're not allowed to point that out here.

[KiwiQuiche]

So you're not just a little mad, but very mad, that you chose to go to the most anti-elfy person in the whole game for comfort, and then didn't find any? Congratulations?

 

How do you keep on missing the point so epically? It must be, like, some kind of magic at how badly you're missing my point despite repeatedly explaining.

[Xilizhra]

Not at all, what I'm saying is pretty clear: The Inquisitor chose to go to the most anti-elfy person in the game for comfort when they found out that everything they thought made them superior was a lie, and then can't figure out why it wasn't "cookies on the roof", but it's not their fault. I find this to be truly hilarious, especially those that keep insisting that making a poor decision on who to go to for comfort isn't the Inquisitor's fault. Even though, I guess, realistically, it's not, it's the player's fault for making poor decisions, but we're not allowed to point that out here.

Again, wut?

 

I just acknowledged the Inquisitor's colossal error in judgment. Yes, it was a bad idea. But how does that make Sera any better?

[Ap0crypha]

The Inquisitor may have shown bad judgment in choosing to confide in Sera, but she's emotionally devastated--she's not going to be thinking rationally. It's not too unlikely she'd reach out, hoping to just get the burden off her chest and maybe a bit of girl platitudes (you know, "he's a jerk", "how could he do that to you", "you don't need a guy like him anyway", stuff you say when a girl friend gets dumped).

 

Instead she gets "lol ur people r idiotz u branded urselves as slaves" and "haha ur stupid". Essentially Sera tells her heartbroken friend "I don't care about your pain, because I was right all along."

 

That's what most people here find disgusting.

[robertthebard]

How do you keep on missing the point so epically? It must be, like, some kind of magic at how badly you're missing my point despite repeatedly explaining.

The forum ate my post?

[robertthebard]

The Inquisitor may have shown bad judgment in choosing to confide in Sera, but she's emotionally devastated--she's not going to be thinking rationally. It's not too unlikely she'd reach out, hoping to just get the burden off her chest and maybe a bit of girl platitudes (you know, "he's a jerk", "how could he do that to you", "you don't need a guy like him anyway", stuff you say when a girl friend gets dumped).
 
Instead she gets "lol ur people r idiotz u branded urselves as slaves" and "haha ur stupid". Essentially Sera tells her heartbroken friend "I don't care about your pain, because I was right all along."
 
That's what most people here find disgusting.

I find it a mystery why, after an entire game of her position being made clear, they thought they'd find that there, instead of with, for example, Cass.

[KiwiQuiche]

I find it a mystery why, after an entire game of her position being made clear, they thought they'd find that there, instead of with, for example, Cass.

'Cause maybe people are under the completely mad impression one of their 'friends' would put aside their biogtry and hate for one damn minute and comfort them over their heartbreak rather than spitefully mocking them and making everything worse?

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

I'm actually quite fond of Sera, and enjoy her (sisterly?) dynamic with Cassandra. I also prefer her as an archer to Varric, since we can actually craft some creative bows for her to use, and Tempest is very powerful. Progressing through her personal story reveals a vulnerability in addition to her petulance, and seems to suggest that all in all, her heart is still in the right place.

 

But from what the other posters with Dalish elf playthroughs have revealed, her alarming lack of empathy and/or compassion is very...disturbing. The hurtful things she said, even DA:O Morrigan would cringe at. I think it was a mistake to write her character this way.

[Ap0crypha]

@robertthebard: I said she was emotionally devastated and not thinking rationally. As soon as someone (in this case Sera) expresses an interest in her pain, she lets it out just because she wants someone to care.

 

Unfortunately for her, it was, well, Sera asking.

[PsychoticFox]

@robertthebard: I said she was emotionally devastated and not thinking rationally. As soon as someone (in this case Sera) expresses an interest in her pain, she lets it out just because she wants someone to care.

 

Unfortunately for her, it was, well, Sera asking.

 

I think that most normal people would,  no matter how emotionally devastated, still have enough sense in their head to not go to the friend who held a significant disdain of the ex (and his culture). You want asspats, you go to the people you know give them.

[Xilizhra]

I think that most normal people would,  no matter how emotionally devastated, still have enough sense in their head to not go to the friend who held a significant disdain of the ex (and his culture). You want asspats, you go to the people you know give them.

Again, how does this change how unpleasant Sera's actions were?

[PsychoticFox]

Again, how does this change how unpleasant Sera's actions were?

Personally I didn't find them unpleasant.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I think that most normal people would,  no matter how emotionally devastated, still have enough sense in their head to not go to the friend who held a significant disdain of the ex (and his culture). You want asspats, you go to the people you know give them.

That was YOUR OPINION about people's behavior in venerable state. As Ap0crypha has pointed out in that moment, the Inquisitor is emotionally devastated, and not thinking rationally. She just wants to let it out to anyone at  this point. Of course, it may not be the best idea to let it out to someone who already disdain of the Dalish's heritage, but if you're saying it's the Inquisitor's fault for not having enough sense to talk to people who's more forgiving then you're being ridiculous. 

How is this even justify Sera's action and make Sera's response to the Inquisitor's faultless.

[Rifneno]

How is this even make justify Sera's action and make Sera's respond to the Inquisitor's faultless.

Because when presented with new evidence that challenges their point of view, many people automatically think "how can I attack this?" rather than "maybe I was wrong?" for even a moment. 'tis sad, really.

You know what else is sad? That after Sera mocks the Inquisitor for the tattoos, the Inquisitor never gets to mock Sera for the fact that Mythal is very much real and Sera is completely, 100% wrong on the matter. Considering how much she calls the Inquisitor stupid for even considering Mythal, Sera should be mocked to tears after the revelation.

[PsychoticFox]

That was YOUR OPINION about people behavior in venerable state. As Ap0crypha has pointed out in that moment, the Inquisitor is emotionally devastated, and not thinking rationally. She just want to let it out to anyone at  this point. Of course, it may not be the best idea to let it out to someone who already disdain of the Dalish's heritage, but if you're saying it's the Inquisitor's fault for not having enough sense to talk to people who's more forgiving then you're being ridiculous. 

How is this even make justify Sera's action and make Sera's respond to the Inquisitor's faultless. 

When I am emotionally devastated and not thinking rationally, I still go to the people who can or will be willing to help me and try to make me feel better as opposed to my "tough luck" friends. It's common fecking sense. So it follows, the inquisitor is lacking in fecking sense.

 

And I'm not saying the response is without fault. Admittedly it is sort of a crap way to put it, but I get the place she's coming from for the response.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

When I am emotionally devastated and not thinking rationally, I still go to the people who can or will be willing to help me and try to make me feel better as opposed to my "tough luck" friends. It's common fecking sense. So it follows, the inquisitor is lacking in fecking sense.

 

And I'm not saying the response is without fault. Admittedly it is sort of a crap way to put it, but I get the place she's coming from for the response.

You are using YOUR OWN STANDARD, and judging every person's behavior in venerable state base on yourself.

 

Uh, it's worse than sort of a crap way, and I thought the Inquisitor is supposed to be her friend and Sera should cut her some slacks, not kicking the injured Inquisitor while she's down. It's petty and low.

 

 

Because when presented with new evidence that challenges their point of view, many people automatically think "how can I attack this?" rather than "maybe I was wrong?" for even a moment. 'tis sad, really.

What makes a lot of people upset about Sera doesn't have anything to do with her point of view, her beliefs or the Inquisitor's beliefs. People were upset with how Sera kick the Inquisitor (who romanced Solas) while she's down, and choose to rub something in her friend's face in the moment the Inquisitor is venerable. She didn't even try to comfort the Inquisitor, but instead she just laughs at her. 

I think Ap0crypha pointed out perfectly. 
"lol ur people r idiotz u branded urselves as slaves" and "haha ur stupid". Essentially Sera tells her heartbroken friend "I don't care about your pain, because I was right all along."

[PsychoticFox]

You are using YOUR OWN STANDARD, and judging every person's behavior in venerable state base on yourself.

 

Uh, it's worse than sort of a crap way, and I thought the Inquisitor is supposed to be her friend and Sera should cut her some slacks, not kicking the injured Inquisitor while she's down. It's petty and low.

Yes I am. Because that is my life and my experiences. It shapes how I perceive the world. And I perceive female elf inquisitor as particularly dumb based on how I myself or the people I interact with would handle the situation.

[robertthebard]

That was YOUR OPINION about people's behavior in venerable state. As Ap0crypha has pointed out in that moment, the Inquisitor is emotionally devastated, and not thinking rationally. She just wants to let it out to anyone at  this point. Of course, it may not be the best idea to let it out to someone who already disdain of the Dalish's heritage, but if you're saying it's the Inquisitor's fault for not having enough sense to talk to people who's more forgiving then you're being ridiculous. 

How is this even justify Sera's action and make Sera's response to the Inquisitor's faultless.

...and? Since Day 1 of Sera's involvement with the Inquisition, she has, when spoken to about it, made her opinion of the whole ordeal abundantly clear, to anyone that would listen. Banter between here and Solas should make that even more clear. My question is, since these people are supposed to be rational the rest of the time, why was Sera still there? She can be kicked out of the party in every conversation you can have with her, and yet, these people that don't like her kept her around, and then, in their "emotional distress", ran straight to the only person likely to throw it in their faces, and then they're mad because, surprise, she did? Tell me, did they tattoo their significant other's name on their neck too? I'd say it's ridiculous to expect sympathy from someone that's been deriding the whole culture for the entirety of the game. Expecting people to act according to how they've been acting isn't ridiculous, it's realistic, or, more accurately, being a realist. Sorry she rained on your pity party, but really, she's been raining on it since she joined up.

[KiwiQuiche]

Because when presented with new evidence that challenges their point of view, many people automatically think "how can I attack this?" rather than "maybe I was wrong?" for even a moment. 'tis sad, really.

You know what else is sad? That after Sera mocks the Inquisitor for the tattoos, the Inquisitor never gets to mock Sera for the fact that Mythal is very much real and Sera is completely, 100% wrong on the matter. Considering how much she calls the Inquisitor stupid for even considering Mythal, Sera should be mocked to tears after the revelation.

That's one of my main issues with Sera; she never grows. She doesn't want to. She's fine in her current hypocritical ignorant, "I'm better rest of u are just stupid" attitude and verbally attacks you every time you try to point out otherwise.She never grows and is a stagnant nasty person. Even Morrigan got her head out of her ass eventually. Sera keeps hers firmly stuck up her rectum.

 

Yeah that part about the conversation annoyed me; I thought there would be a "We just freaking saw Mythal, u douchebag" option since I spoke to Sera about it right after taking Morrigan to the alter. Kinda weird you can't saw you have legit proof she's real unlike the Maker she was spewing on about whom we never see any evidence of unlike the Elvhen gods. Yet the Inquisitor is the stupid one?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Yes I am. Because that is my life and my experiences. It shapes how I perceive the world. And I perceive female elf inquisitor as particularly dumb based on how I myself or the people I interact with would handle the situation.

At this point. I think any normal person or human being with a heart would find what Sera did to the Inquisitor's unacceptable, petty and vile. 

[Rifneno]

What makes a lot of people upset about Sera doesn't have anything to do with her point of view, her beliefs or the Inquisitor's beliefs. People were upset with how Sera kick the Inquisitor (who romanced Solas) while she's down, and choose to rub something in her friend's face in the moment the Inquisitor is venerable. She didn't even try to comfort the Inquisitor, but instead she just laughs at her. 

I think Ap0crypha pointed out perfectly. 
"lol ur people r idiotz u branded urselves as slaves" and "haha ur stupid". Essentially Sera tells her heartbroken friend "I don't care about your pain, because 

I was right all along."

Perfectly put.

I have no idea how people can justify that crap. I'm not what you'd call a cuddly person but if one of my friends is going through something like a breakup, I'm there for them. If you can't support your friends when they need it, then you're not a friend at all.

[robertthebard]

You are using YOUR OWN STANDARD, and judging every person's behavior in venerable state base on yourself.
 
Uh, it's worse than sort of a crap way, and I thought the Inquisitor is supposed to be her friend and Sera should cut her some slacks, not kicking the injured Inquisitor while she's down. It's petty and low.
 
 

What makes a lot of people upset about Sera doesn't have anything to do with her point of view, her beliefs or the Inquisitor's beliefs. People were upset with how Sera kick the Inquisitor (who romanced Solas) while she's down, and choose to rub something in her friend's face in the moment the Inquisitor is venerable. She didn't even try to comfort the Inquisitor, but instead she just laughs at her. 

I think Ap0crypha pointed out perfectly. 
"lol ur people r idiotz u branded urselves as slaves" and "haha ur stupid". Essentially Sera tells her heartbroken friend "I don't care about your pain, because 

I was right all along."

How are you doing anything else? You are using what you expected would happen to justify a tirade, not just against Sera, but against people that asked, quite simply, "Why are you surprised?".

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I was right all along."

How are you doing anything else? You are using what you expected would happen to justify a tirade, not just against Sera, but against people that asked, quite simply, "Why are you surprised?".

You haven't even seen the full dialogue regarding to that scene do you?

 

And suddenly how am I going against people that asked "Why are you surprised?"

[Zundar]

 

You are using YOUR OWN STANDARD, and judging every person's behavior in venerable state base on yourself.

 

Uh, it's worse than sort of a crap way, and I thought the Inquisitor is supposed to be her friend and Sera should cut her some slacks, not kicking the injured Inquisitor while she's down. It's petty and low.

 

Aren't you know using your own standard? I don't see it as petty and low, I see it as Sera being who she is and not just blindly telling her friend exactly what she wants to hear.

 

Do I think Sera is being a good person with her response? Nope. Not at all. However, I don't think she should be expected to change. If you go to her and that's what you get and it isn't what you want, then accept it was the wrong choice and hopefully learn that she isn't a good person to turn to in that situation. I believe someone can be a friend while not being a good person to go to in all situations. She can just be a friend you hang out with to do stupid stuff when things get too serious.

 

Overall I don't really like Sera. I'm still in my first game and I haven't seen all of her scenes, maybe I'll like her better, maybe not. That being said, I think the Inquisitor could have gone somewhere else. I've made that mistake before but I didn't stop being friends with someone just cause they weren't a good choice.