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[mupp3tz]

I found her to be batshit insane.

 

I try to stay away from the crazy ones, like in rl 

 

See I have the opposite problem.  I'm drawn to the crazies and end up full of regret later 

[Zundar]

See I have the opposite problem.  I'm drawn to the crazies and end up full of regret later 

That was me for a time. Not any more.

[Heathen Oxman]

She state's several times that the reason she joined the inquisition is that the current state of affairs is "inconvenient" to her way of life.

 

Her self-centeredness came as no surprise.

[KiwiQuiche]

It depends on the person, I'd say. It also depends on who's doing the "disrespecting" and what you call "disrespecting". Personally, I would say that characterizing Sera as being "completely and continuously disrespectful" to the PC is, as so much else in this thread, a massive exaggeration. Sera's right there, fighting the same fight, taking the same risks and following the PC's orders. I don't need her to be meek and submissive while she does that but if you do then, sure, take someone else along. 
 
The idea that someone must be what you call "mature" and "respectful" in order to be a good person but that dedicating (and risking) your life to help save the world from demons doesn't signify? That's a seriously confused perspective.

 

You've seem to badly misunderstood my issues with Sera. If you're a leader of a nation-wide organization by simple rank you demand even a small level of respect from your subordinates- even your council defer to your calls and opinions upon what action they'll take on the War Table.

 

Sera IS constantly disrespectful. She calls your character stupid, makes veiled threats if you point out how hypocritical she is or put your foot down about her childish attitude (which, despite what you think, threating to kill the leader of the Inquisiton is an utterly daft thing to do) and then can't handle it if you call her out on her sh*t.

 

That entire last sentence you wrote has nothing whatsoever to do with my opinion on Sera; she's not even a good person by default anyway so I dunno wtf you're trying to point out.

 

So you think someone who's rude, immature and calls anyone who doesn't agree with them stupid while constantly insulting different beliefs and sends their subordinates to their deaths without a care while ignoring the rampant hypocrisy of their actions is a 'good person'? Maybe you should overly analyze your own words since Sera has already proven she's not even a good person.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Someone even put their match into a chess simulator and it's glorious.

That is awesome!

[Nathair Nimheil]

She's one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen in fiction. Made worse by her incredible ignorance.

 

 

Yeah, I'm totally taking you seriously now. Sera is absolutely on the same page with Iago or Margaret Atwood's Zenia or Uriah Heep or hell, even Tartuffe! 

[Bigdoser]

That is awesome!

Indeed that video is bloody great! It's kinda nice if you make that choice with Bull he becomes friends with solas. 

[mupp3tz]

But see, there is a way for you to boot unsavory companions out of the party. I understand that it may not be feasible for whatever reason but if the Inquisitor you're roleplaying has no time for that ****, then get the scrub out of your way. I don't love or hate her particularly. I feel the same way for two or three other companions and I rarely use them or pay too much mind to their requests. As I would if I were in that situation.

It's not bad enough for me to boot anyone yet, but if it get's to that point: goodbye. To be honest, I'd much prefer a wide range of personalities rather than getting along with everyone. It's not always that way.

The only way it could truly aggravate you is if you refuse to get rid of anyone because you want to metagame it or feel obligated to keep them for whatever reason. Otherwise, the option is there.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 To the OP's point, though, I would say Sera came as advertised: "a brat through-and-through."

 

 

Obviously, that's not for everyone, but I enjoyed her a lot.

[Seraphim24]

I'm perfectly fine with characters whom I disagree with; in DAO I disagreed with Sten, Leliana and Wynne quite often. In DA2 it was Fenris and Anders.

 

However unlike Sera they remained fairly civil

And yet civil is often associated with a great deal of accompanying moral standards and obligations, which basically translates into, I'm perfectly fine with characters whom I disagree with, as long as they voice their dissent in a way that concords with a particular set of rules and thus inherently constrains said dissent, such that it is no longer a dissent.

 

It's just backdoor methodology of coercing a certain opinion or result.

 

The entire point of her character is not to be "civil," you can not like the way she puts things, not like what she does, not have her in the party, but failing to see the substance of the ideas or feelings is a grave error, IMO.

 

I'd be curious if it were possible to create a character where the message was similar but the delivery was different, I'd think it's certainly possible and perhaps that character would be more liked by everyone.

 

Perfectly said, Kiwi. Characters who disagree are with me are fine; characters who disagree in a childish way and refuse to mature at all are not.

 

This is the same thing again, characters who act the way I want them to are fine (no kidding), character's that don't accord with my own perspective are flawed and fail to accord with a certain standard.

 

The only difference is that Sera doesn't go, yes Inquisitor, I respect and acknowledge your opinions and feelings in this and all other respects.... before you know putting that magical but or however which basically undercuts the whole first sentence, before stating her opinion, she just gives it.

 

As Nathair was saying, it really just boils down to how meek and submissive you want your companions to be, I haven't seen any that break my personal limits in the Dragon age world, so... I'm fine with it.

[KiwiQuiche]

How you managed to get "u want meek submission compainions who never argue dont u" from my post is beyond me.

[AresKeith]

How you managed to get "u want meek submission compainions who never argue dont u" from my post is beyond me.

 

I wouldn't bother

[Duelist]

I like her. Admittedly my main reason for liking her is that her and my Assassin quizzy make ridiculously short work of dragons and bosses.

[LenaMarie]

The irony is people who hate on her are basically acting like her. Well, why should she just respect the inquisitor? That's the problem with people these days, they demand automatic respect without earning it. Yes, she's childish and selfish but she's trying to care about the little people, something most people don't give a rats arse about.

[KiwiQuiche]

The irony is people who hate on her are basically acting like her. Well, why should she just respect the inquisitor? That's the problem with people these days, they demand automatic respect without earning it. Yes, she's childish and selfish but she's trying to care about the little people, something most people don't give a rats arse about.

Yeah, but she proves in the actual game she doesn't give a rats ass about the little people and intentionally sends a bunch to their deaths to 'get back' at a noble; something she hates nobles for doing then she near bites your head off when you point out how hypocritical she's being.

 

I do appreciate it if someone just doesn't go "ur stupid and always wrong" if I'm trying to explain something with them; I think basic respect such as being willing to listen to someone without constantly calling them stupid just for not having the same beliefs as you isn't that too much of a demand.

[Seraphim24]

How you managed to get "u want meek submission compainions who never argue dont u" from my post is beyond me.

 

Never substantively argue, sure. A substantive argument isn't one conducted strictly through the form of disagreement, it's where core values clash, and that's obviously what happened here. I've seen bazillions of examples where people kind of "disagree" like taxation policy should be 30% not 40% but there is that kind of fundamental expectation about a core issue. The form is used to filter out substance. For instance, the fact that these things should be debated at all, that fact that people are entitled to "equal time" on the issue.

 

Speaking for myself I always tried to get all the companions together, like in Baldur's Gate 1 having Viconia and Minsc, Edwin and Dynaheir all on the same team. It's not interesting IMO when the characters are all just purely behind you and banding together and don't really have any dissonance. Especially considering it's just a video game, it's not like there's an actual blight or something.

[Rifneno]

Arrogance is the privilege of the right. Sera is so far from right that they may be in different dimensions.

[KiwiQuiche]

Never substantively argue, sure. A substantive argument isn't one conducted strictly through the form of disagreement, it's where core values clash, and that's obviously what happened here.

 

Speaking for myself I always tried to get all the companions together, like in Baldur's Gate 1 having Viconia and Minsc, Edwin and Dynaheir all on the same team. It's not interesting IMO when the characters are all just purely behind you and banding together and don't really have any dissonance. Especially considering it's just a video game, it's not like there's an actual blight or something.

Forgive me if I prefer actual reason and substance in arguments rather than an arrogant "You're stupid, why are you acting stupid?" like Sera does.

 

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone's views and being an intolerant ass which Sera is. If someone told you they have a different religion then would you instantly go "why do you believe that stupid crap?" then get mad when they tell you to screw off?

 

Sera does that right off the bat if you don't worship the Maker and even accuses you of being a demon worshipper in a round-about way. Yet apparently I'm being intolerant or simply want 'Yes Men' because I don't like people who simply call everyone else morons and refuse to accept or acknowlege any other view point.

 

I've never played Baldur's Gate so I wouldn't know.

[Nathair Nimheil]

How you managed to get "u want meek submission compainions who never argue dont u" from my post is beyond me.

You say you want her to behave as your subordinate, respect you (regardless of your actions) and defer to your calls and opinions (regardless of whether or not she agrees with you) and to politely accept it when you "put your foot down".

 

You know she's an adult person, a hero in her own right fighting the demons along side you and not a disobedient Jack Russell, right?

[KaiserShep]

The irony is people who hate on her are basically acting like her. Well, why should she just respect the inquisitor? That's the problem with people these days, they demand automatic respect without earning it. Yes, she's childish and selfish but she's trying to care about the little people, something most people don't give a rats arse about.

In fairness, Sera is pretty in your face about a lot of stuff, and is immensely stubborn. It shouldn't be surprising that some would dislike or even despise her. Heck, some people hate Ashley Williams, and she is far far tamer in this respect.

[Seraphim24]

Forgive me if I prefer actual reason and substance in arguments rather than an arrogant "You're stupid, why are you acting stupid?" like Sera does.

 

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone's views and being an intolerant ass which Sera is. If someone told you they have a different religion then would you instantly go "why do you believe that stupid crap?" then get mad when they tell you to screw off?

 

Sera does that right off the bat if you don't worship the Maker and even accuses you of being a demon worshipper in a round-about way. Yet apparently I'm being intolerant or simply want 'Yes Men' because I don't like people who simply call everyone else morons and refuse to accept or acknowlege any other view point.

 

I've never played Baldur's Gate so I wouldn't know.

 

I think the substance is pretty clear, she thinks your character is stupid.

 

As to someone who has a different religion, I wouldn't do that, personally, but I also wouldn't be offended if someone told me that in that way. So, apparently I can tolerate and accept something you cannot. That's kind of my feeling on all this Sera stuff, if you don't like her, that's one thing, but I would think accepting what she is can always be a possibility.

 

Ultimately, I wouldn't care, because it's just their opinion, and that's their personality, I get the message, is it really so much better if they have a very complicated way of basically indicating the same thing? So one person blurts it out hardcore, and one person uses a very long winded way of saying the same thing.

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps it's better to just amusedly break her little mind with the truth of the Creators.

[Steelcan]

Perhaps it's better to just amusedly break her little mind with the truth of the Creators.

lol truth

[Steelcan]

Send her to the Ben Hassrath, we can get a nice useful archer in return