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I think the substance is pretty clear, she thinks your character is stupid.

 

As to someone who has a different religion, I wouldn't do that, personally, but I also wouldn't be offended if someone told me that in that way. So, apparently I can tolerate and accept something you cannot. That's kind of my feeling on all this Sera stuff, if you don't like her, that's one thing, but I would think accepting what she is can always be a possibility.

 

Ultimately, I wouldn't care, because it's just their opinion, and that's their personality, I get the message, is it really so much better if they have a very complicated way of basically indicating the same thing? So one person blurts it out hardcore, and one person uses a very long winded way of saying the same thing.

Exactly; she thinks my character is stupid purely because she has a different religion which is narrow-minded and biogted

 

Oddly enough, not everyone is okay with having their faith blithely dimissed as 'stupid' and being called 'stupid' when you say you believe in a different god then they do which is why a lot of people do not like Sera. You may be fine with her incredibly rude and nasty attitude, but others prefer their friends not be such toxic intolerant people.

 

There is a difference between "intolerant douchebag" and "dissagreeing"

 

As some would say to Sten "Now we're just going around in circles."



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Send her to the Ben Hassrath, we can get a nice useful archer in return

If the Qunari intends to brainwashing Sera with qamek, then we'll not only get a nice useful archer, she'll be more sane as well. :P



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Send her to the Ben Hassrath, we can get a nice useful archer in return


I wonder if Dorian knows any slavemasters that are good at breaking new ones in...

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If the Qunari intends to brainwashing Sera with qamek, then we'll not only get a nice useful archer, she'll be more sane as well. :P

No. Annoying as Sera is, the qunari are far, far worse.



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it's got nothing to do with being right, or her agreeing with you.
the fact is from within the confines of society so much as is possible for anything to be objective, she is a bad person theirs no debate she murders people, she's rude, immature and blind. 
If you read my earlier post about her not at all being a friend you'd see that trying to make out that i'm just sore that she didn't agree on my point of view is ridiculous, i romanced casandra despite the fate i was super pro mage and she went head to head with me on many issues.
 
You're trying to debate that societies norms are subjective, but for the person making statement based off of those norms they are making a straight statement. driving on the wrong side of the road is subjective, but if you live in a country where there are rules rules and norms for which side of the road you drive on then you can pull all the extensionalist arguments you want. but it doesn't matter in a reality based circumstance, pure think tank you have a point but not in the real world.
 
if you choose to drive on the side of the road that society has determined is the "wrong side of the road" then the person making the statement telling you, you're on the wrong side of the road is making an objective assessment. it's not subjective in that circumstance.
 
likewise pretending Sera clearly negatives traits are "just like, your opinion man" is nonsense.
time and time again people have pointed out her numerous flaws which you aren't even addressing.
you continually push the argument towards trying to make out that people are only happy with people that don't agree with them.
 
you're missing the entire point, the fact that sticks to her guns does not take away from the negative traits that she's murderer, an idiot, rude, arrogant and self centred. based on the norms and rules which society is governed by says she's a bad egg.
 
answer this honestly, If i were to respond to your argument as sera would that is to sneer at you insult you and take this ****** without even entertaining your argument instead dismiss it out of hand.
 
would you view me positively or negatively? the answer is of course negatively because i'm violating social norms i'm acting like a dick. If you then found out i'd murdered someone, would your position change or would you further view me in a negative light? 
 
There's no need to answer everyone knows the answer, you would view me as a bad person. Now you can still like a bad person nobodies saying you can't like sera, very few people are saying she has zero redeeming qualities.
 
but the fact is objectively looking at her personality within the constraint of societal views on how a person should behave the simple fact is she's a bad person hell she's a borderline psychopath. It doesn't mean you can't like her character however. you can feel free join her fan club. shes still a deadshit.


That's a lot of text that doesn't change the definition of a term. Objective is true for everyone, to wit: We need air to breathe. This is objective, we need air to breathe. Murdering makes us bad people? Ok, out here, on this side of the monitor, sure, depending on the circumstance. If, for example, I am deployed, and the enemy is shooting at me, and I kill them, I am simply defending myself, and my country. Since every person in the Inquisition has killed people, including Josephine, then we should just uninstall, right? I mean, there's no way to play a good guy, because we kill people. That's the long form of "I'm not rewriting the English language so you can claim a subjective point is objective".

In the context of the game world, we can see her "murder" two people. One when we first meet her, who is trying to kill us, and one that we can tell her to go ahead and kill, after he kills an unarmed civilian. Which one of those murders would you have just as soon she not commit? The first one, so that you could murder him instead, or the second one, so that you could show her just how unimportant you find the "little people"? This is a sword and sorcery type fantasy game, we're all murderers, it's kind of the point, isn't it?

In what society? Polite society? In my clique, she behaves just like everyone else. We don't hold our pinky fingers out when we drink our beer either, I guess that means we're bad people too? So anyone that doesn't conform to your ideal is a bad person, and that's an objective fact? I'd say, since it's based on the feelings of those that share your opinion that it's rather a subjective fact. It would seem that Merriam-Webster agrees with me.
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No. Annoying as Sera is, the qunari are far, far worse.

Yeah. I wouldn't wish quamek on my worst enemy.



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No. Annoying as Sera is, the qunari are far, far worse.

of course, but they still have their uses

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of course, but they still have their uses

Everything must have it's use.
 

Yeah. I wouldn't wish quamek on my worst enemy.

Indeed, and that is "True Cruelty". 



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If the Qunari intends to brainwashing Sera with qamek, then we'll not only get a nice useful archer

Sera is actually one of the hardest hitting party members thanks to passives and the Tempest tree being utterly broken.


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Yeah, but she proves in the actual game she doesn't give a rats ass about the little people and intentionally sends a bunch to their deaths to 'get back' at a noble; something she hates nobles for doing then she near bites your head off when you point out how hypocritical she's being.
 
I do appreciate it if someone just doesn't go "ur stupid and always wrong" if I'm trying to explain something with them; I think basic respect such as being willing to listen to someone without constantly calling them stupid just for not having the same beliefs as you isn't that too much of a demand.

You never actually quote her or describe the situation without spinning and slanting it to a fare thee well. Every single characterization of her or description of what she's done is a caricature. You're not talking about Sera or DA:I but, instead, some alternate reality version where some alternate reality Sera constantly says things like "ur stupid and always wrong" to the PC in every conversation.

 

I don't see the point in continuing to respond.


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Sera is actually one of the hardest hitting party members thanks to passives and the Tempest tree being utterly broken.

The same could be said for Knight Enchanter being OP.



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You never actually quote her or describe the situation without spinning and slanting it to a fare thee well. Every single characterization of her or description of what she's done is a caricature. You're not talking about Sera or DA:I but, instead, some alternate reality version where some alternate reality Sera constantly says things like "ur stupid and always wrong" to the PC in every conversation.

 

I don't see the point in continuing to respond.

Why does she disapprove only of an elf Inquisitor who wants to set a good example for their people? Why does she disapprove of helping Briala, the only champion of any little people anywhere in the palace? Why does she disapprove of helping the marginalized and oppressed mages? Why does she disapprove of Alexius helping the Inquisition with his research?


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You never actually quote her or describe the situation without spinning and slanting it to a fare thee well. Every single characterization of her or description of what she's done is a caricature. You're not talking about Sera or DA:I but, instead, some alternate reality version where some alternate reality Sera constantly says things like "ur stupid and always wrong" to the PC in every conversation.
 
I don't see the point in continuing to respond.

acting like her willful ignorance and obstinate stubbornness along with her attitude best described as narrow minded and foolish are hallmarks of a good person are just as bad
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For the record Sera has Rifneno, Xilizhra, and myself agreeing on something, I should mark the date
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The same could be said for Knight Enchanter being OP.


Knight-Enchanter is overpowered, but Tempest is just glitched. It makes it so you can spam focus attacks. It's supposed to just effect potions but it effects focus as well, and... yeah...


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The same could be said for Knight Enchanter being OP.

True since Knight Enchanter puts the old Arcane Warrior to shame, I was just pointing out her usefulness as an archer.



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For the record Sera has Rifneno, Xilizhra, and myself agreeing on something, I should mark the date


I know, right? I think they mentioned this in the end of the bible somewhere. Are the seas turning red and boiling yet?

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Why does she disapprove only of an elf Inquisitor who wants to set a good example for their people? Why does she disapprove of helping Briala, the only champion of any little people anywhere in the palace? Why does she disapprove of helping the marginalized and oppressed mages? Why does she disapprove of Alexius helping the Inquisition with his research?

I don't think she's really cared for the little people. It was just an excuse for her to do as she please. Sera said it herself that "stopping war should earn more sovereign than this"need things back to normal for coins to be flowing again" in the first conversation with her. I don't think she wants to make the world a better place for little people, she just wants the world to be her glorified playground, where she can prank, torture and kill people she decides deserve it.



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acting like her willful ignorance and obstinate stubbornness along with her attitude best described as narrow minded and foolish are hallmarks of a good person are just as bad

You are right, that would be pretty silly. Did someone actually say any of that?



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Why does she disapprove only of an elf Inquisitor who wants to set a good example for their people? Why does she disapprove of helping Briala, the only champion of any little people anywhere in the palace? Why does she disapprove of helping the marginalized and oppressed mages? Why does she disapprove of Alexius helping the Inquisition with his research?


All of this is laid out perfectly in dialog with her. Briala though, really? She's in it for herself, and only herself. I think that that's almost the absolute worst example you could use, short of Alexius, of course, which, shock of shocks, you brought up as well. She's afraid of magic, and she makes no secret of it. Party banter between her and Cass makes that more than abundantly clear. The funny? Cass has a soft spot for her.
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I don't care or wan't to change Sera, She is free to be who she is just like I was free as her boss to kick her out of my Inquisition for being a bratty ******. 


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Why is she a romance in the first place?



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I don't care or wan't to change Sera, She is free to be who she is just like I was free as her boss to kick her out of my Inquisition for being a bratty ******.


That is exactly right. If I found her offensive, she'd be gone. I can't tell you how many hours I spent in Origins wishing I could kick Alistair, but I couldn't, until his plot armor wore off. Once it did, he was out.

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I find her annoying, interesting, irritating, and charming.

 

And that level of complexity in my reaction means she's a pretty effective character in my book.


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Why is she a romance in the first place?

Apparently just for me. :wub: