According to... you? 'Cause as far as I know the Maker is nothing but a myth. (Or is that what you meant?)
Hrmmm... the one that didn't lie to you, mislead you, or abandon you when push came to shove?
Just a candid reminder that Sera always is honest with you and stands by your side. Baldy can't say the same.
Well, she abandons me if I believe in the Creators and we're in a relationship, so...
As a side note, anyone else find it fascinating that Solas has such extremely pro-liberty views? He absolutely despises both slavery and the Qun.
Struck me as a little odd in the context of him being a god for a society that practiced slavery.
I don't have to preface the Maker with "in theory" every time I write his name. In theory the Maker is more powerful than a spirit, just as in theory God is more powerful than an angel.
Except we're not discussing your personal theories or the Chantry myths but what we actually know about demons vs gods.
Well, she abandons me if I believe in the Creators and we're in a relationship, so...
Really? She actually leaves? I didn't know that.
Anyone else think Sera is kind of cute and adorable? I WANT TO HUG HER ALL DAY!
Really? She actually leaves? I didn't know that.
Well, leaves the relationship. Not the Inquisition per se, but it's still an abandonment.
Are you being humorous here or do you genuinely mean this?
The Trickster God, Morrigan, and the cacophony of whispers tied to Flemeth. To take their words at face value is rather naive. Not to suggest we couldn't learn anything from them, but they don't exactly give off the impression of having our best interests at heart. Early DA:O Morrigan certainly would not have cared much for us.
Yet you will find more knowledge from these people simply by observing them.They are not demons(by the definition given by the circles),we have met demons and they behave a certain way,they have a specific nature.
At the end of the day you should always disregard the imbeciles theories until she displays some form of critical thinking with regard to spirits and demons(or anything else).
As a side note, anyone else find it fascinating that Solas has such extremely pro-liberty views? He absolutely despises both slavery and the Qun.
Struck me as a little odd in the context of him being a god for a society that practiced slavery.
He was possibly the guy that destroyed the society.Which is probably why he goes down in history as elven satan.
Not everyone that lives within a society agrees with everything practiced within.
Yet you will find more knowledge from these people simply by observing them.They are not demons(by the definition given by the circles),we have met demons and they behave a certain way,they have a specific nature.
At the end of the day you should always disregard the imbeciles theories until she displays some form of critical thinking with regard to spirits and demons(or anything else).
We have met weaker demons. As demons grow progressively stronger, their behavior becomes more complex. We have never met the highest tier of demons, and none among the highest tier of demons has been known to enter Thedas's material realm.
The theory she subscribes too is not necessarily wrong. It may not be based in advanced scholarship(which we've no reason to expect from her) or critical and systematic evaluation of her experiences, but its not necessarily wrong.
Moreover, people typically hold many inaccurate ideas. A lot of it is simply a matter of education or perspective. The things we don't know vastly outnumbers the things we do.
Criticism of her behavior seems fair, after all, that is a matter of personal preference. Expecting her to have a scholarly view of Fade spirits or possibly mythical beings seems unreasonable however.
He was possibly the guy that destroyed the society.Which is probably why he goes down in history as elven satan.
Not everyone that lives within a society agrees with everything practiced within.
How does such a being come across such a notion though? Spontaneously, one day, "Freedom is important"? He couldn't have gotten it from human societies or dwarven societies of the time.
It confounds me how one can sing praises about how Sera is "well-written" one moment and then freely admit that they haven't a clue on how Sera thinks. Sera isn't some unknowable elder god whose motives transcend mortal understanding - she just doesn't make sense... which means that she ISN'T well-written. Even if someone has values you don't really agree with, you can at least get where they're coming from. You don't get that with Sera. Stuff like her hatred of the elves is neither explained nor given enough context to properly understand. She hates them because "OH, DAT WACKY SERA! *comical shrug*" ...that's not "well-written."
How does such a being come across such a notion though? Spontaneously, one day, "Freedom is important"? He couldn't have gotten it from human societies or dwarven societies of the time.
Just as an idea to throw out into the ring? Prisoners yearn for freedom. I suspect he gained his appreciation for freedom from being denied it.
It confounds me how one can sing praises about how Sera is "well-written" one moment and then freely admit that they haven't a clue on how Sera thinks.
Who said that?
Who said that?
Kudos to bioware for making a (very well written) unlikable character.
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She hates elves for some reason, like literally hates elves, and I after 80 hours in this damn game I still can't discern why.
It confounds me how one can sing praises about how Sera is "well-written" one moment and then freely admit that they haven't a clue on how Sera thinks. Sera isn't some unknowable elder god whose motives transcend mortal understanding - she just doesn't make sense... which means that she ISN'T well-written. Even if someone has values you don't really agree with, you can at least get where they're coming from. You don't get that with Sera. Stuff like her hatred of the elves is neither explained nor given enough context to properly understand. She hates them because "OH, DAT WACKY SERA! *comical shrug*" ...that's not "well-written."
Aside from the facade of wackiness, I think she's one of the most normal characters we've seen from Bioware. Typically Bioware characters are overly perfect, and speak more like students of moral philosophy than actual people.
Sera exhibits very common and typical cognitive biases. Doesn't make her an abnormally bad or abnormally stupid person, but much like your average person, it can get on your nerves. Guess what, people have prejudices, people aren't perfectly open-minded to suggestions, nor can their actions be controlled by your words or whims. You can't convince everyone.
Quick to judge, fortified in one's opinions, certain of one's righteousness, a little self-serving, sounds like a human to me, except in this case, she's an elf.
Just as an idea to throw out into the ring? Prisoners yearn for freedom. I suspect he gained his appreciation for freedom from being denied it.
You know, I keep reading people saying that Sera doesn't care about the "little people" but that's not what I have observed in play at all.
In fact in numerous banters/reactions I've heard her become outraged and furious at finding "little people" killed and slaughtered. The most vivid in my memory is her reaction to finding unarmed civilians murdered in the Western Approach and the anguish in her voice lamenting "They didn't even have knives! Why would someone kill helpless people like this?!" There were other instances of her reactions like this and it dawned on me really what Sera's schtick is.
I agree with your entire post, it very much matches up with my experience with Sera. I had a similar moment to yours, and that's when I started to get her, and actually found myself enjoying her character quite a bit.
Hrmmm... the one that didn't lie to you, mislead you, or abandon you when push came to shove?
Just a candid reminder that Sera always is honest with you and stands by your side. Baldy can't say the same.
Solas actually stays until the end and he doesn't lie to you; then again you don't get a "are you actually an Elvhen god" dialogue with him but on the whole he is truthful if you ask him questions. He freely says the orb Cory has is Elvhen, he just doesn't mention that he gave it to him. He's very selective about his truth, but ommitting truth isn't the same as lying despite what some may think.
He doesn't mislead you either- even if you are in a romance with him he'll pull a I Want My Beloved To Be Happy and break up with you since he knows he'll leave at the end of everything. He also doesn't want the PC to be bound to him, since he has extremely strong feelings about freedom and if she stays with him she'll be bound to a God (even if she is unaware of it.)
Considering what he is, him wandering in the Fade and observing memories via spirits is not far-fetched and I am of the opinion his time 'wandering' was actually him Fade-walking while asleep; which is what the Old Gods were able to do and how they were able to contact the Magisters even while banished in the earth.
Sera is honest. However she is a bigot and incredibly ignorant while being arrogant enough to rival the Dalish she hates. Not the best kind of honest tbh.
And it's really freaking sad when a capricous Elvhen God Dread Wolf is a nicer person than Sera. :/
Try to flirt with her as man and you will see how she acts when she is really mean... poor Anders
Well, leaves the relationship. Not the Inquisition per se, but it's still an abandonment.
wow really D:
why?
Sera is honest. However she is a bigot and incredibly ignorant while being arrogant enough to rival the Dalish she hates. Not the best kind of honest tbh.
And it's really freaking sad when a capricous Elvhen God Dread Wolf is a nicer person than Sera. :/
The God is very old , he probably ruled empires or had a say in it.
We're talking about a woman who was mostly raised on the street , I think the Lady who took care of her was human.
And as far as I can tell , she was very aware Sera was an elf , and she used that to manipulate her.
Overall the story is silly (tragic cookies!) but hey she was like her mum or something , so I can imagine little Sera deciding "F*** that elven bullshit"
I like Sera and was playing an elf , at one point she tells you basically you're an idiot , talking stupid (about the whole Mythal stuff) and you can reply "Well seems I'm just like you , saying silly things nobody gets".
And she approves of both of you being idiots.
I like Sera and was playing an elf , at one point she tells you basically you're an idiot , talking stupid (about the whole Mythal stuff) and you can reply "Well seems I'm just like you , saying silly things nobody gets".
And she approves of both of you being idiots.
Lol, really? That's kinda hilarious.
I adore Sera. She's fun, silly and sympathetic. Also a bit of an ass
It seems that she suffers from some kind of speech/mental disorder like ADHD which makes it hard for her to properly express what she wants to say. Years of dealing with my own mental issues and with people who suffer from similiar problems make her even more likeable in my eyes
Plus I approve of her fashion sense - 100% would wear everything she has
The God is very old , he probably ruled empires or had a say in it.
We're talking about a woman who was mostly raised on the street , I think the Lady who took care of her was human.
And as far as I can tell , she was very aware Sera was an elf , and she used that to manipulate her.
Overall the story is silly (tragic cookies!) but hey she was like her mum or something , so I can imagine little Sera deciding "F*** that elven bullshit"
I like Sera and was playing an elf , at one point she tells you basically you're an idiot , talking stupid (about the whole Mythal stuff) and you can reply "Well seems I'm just like you , saying silly things nobody gets".
And she approves of both of you being idiots.
We don't know that- the Elves weren't ruled by Gods, they prayed to them which the Chantry threw a b*tch about, but we don't see the actual Elvhen Gods chilling in the palace on the thrones. They were more like guides.
Actually Sera ended up hating her 'mother' since she lied to her all the time. Her hatred of elves isn't really explained however. She just seems to hate elves a lot, including other city ones. She has some pretty serious internalized racism going on. Every elf but her sucks and is stupid, pretty much.
Too bad the PC is an 'idiot' who's actually speaking the truth whereas Sera is just being a bigot as usual.
I like that the game acknowledges her haircut. Who better to bring up the subject than Dorian?
...a b**ch? I mean, I understand and agree with her philosophy of 'getting back at arrogant rich people who mistreat those around them', but she's really not that different to them from my observations. She similarly thinks she's kind of better than others, and treats others with needless rudeness...
We don't know that- the Elves weren't ruled by Gods, they prayed to them which the Chantry threw a b*tch about, but we don't see the actual Elvhen Gods chilling in the palace on the thrones. They were more like guides.
Actually Sera ended up hating her 'mother' since she lied to her all the time. Her hatred of elves isn't really explained however. She just seems to hate elves a lot, including other city ones. She has some pretty serious internalized racism going on. Every elf but her sucks and is stupid, pretty much.
Too bad the PC is an 'idiot' who's actually speaking the truth whereas Sera is just being a bigot as usual.
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