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[WildOrchid]

If it's any consolation to the folks who think she's "rude" or "a b*tch" - a man wrote her.

 

The gender of the writer doesn't matter though. Women can write rude characters too.

[Bigdoser]

Not really I find her funny the same way that I disliked Oghren in the past but still find him funny too (also written by a woman) but I sure do not want to romance Oghren nor it was offered similar romances with hetero companions. The game even acknowledged she is problematic with the choice to kick her out ffs.

Overall I still think she was a really poor attempt at a lesbian romance, as a companion she is on the same level as Oghren and yes I agree it is double standards if you like him in DA:O.

Problem is that oghren can grow as a character which is something that sera really needs in my opinion.

[DukeMcFishy]

Personally I like the goofiness of her a lot. She's one of my favorite characters. 

[Heimdall]

That seems like one of her fundamentals, she's opposed to special status for elves. Liberalism vs multiculturalism, maybe she's been secretly reading Brian Barry?

For her, she doesn't seem to like the us versus them paradigm the elven cause creates. I mean, how many elves have we met that are concerned with the plight of anyone besides the elves? (non-Mages). The dalish just cast all humans as evil more or less. Sera, however, sees herself as having quite a lot in common with the commoner humans, so she dislikes that sort of elven tunnel vision. (Which might strike some people as hypocritical)

[Heimdall]

Problem is that oghren can grow as a character

Not much

[Mihura]

Problem is that oghren can grow as a character which is something that sera really needs in my opinion.

 

I think it is more than that actually, Oghren really does not change is rather offensive speech so in a way he is still a problematic character. Sure he can be a better father and husband but in the end he is still Oghren, even in DA:A he still hits on other women.

The problem here is, image if the only hetero romance for female PCs was him? the rage would be epic. 

[Xilizhra]

Sera is hilarious. A lot of people call her things like "rude" and "a b*tch" - just imagine her same personality but she's a male companion. I bet most would find him hilarious/amazing. Hence the double standard. 

 

If it's any consolation to the folks who think she's "rude" or "a b*tch" - a man wrote her.

I can't speak for other people, but in that case... well, actually, I'd probably be relatively indifferent to her and just never speak to her or care about her, similar to what I did with Fenris or Vivienne; much of my frustration stems from her being foisted on me as one of my romance options.

[Mihura]

I can't speak for other people, but in that case... well, actually, I'd probably be relatively indifferent to her and just never speak to her or care about her, similar to what I did with Fenris or Vivienne; much of my frustration stems from her being foisted on me as one of my romance options.

 

In the end it sure boils down to that besides her writer does not have a really good record about portraying lesbians an bisexuals in a good light. I really do not get why they though this was a good idea.

[robertthebard]

Barely.Thankfully.Good thing she doesn't have a say about everything for now.

If you truly struggled that much, maybe you should have turned the game down to Casual? I know in my playthrough there was nothing barely about any of it. I romanced Sera, agreed on some stuff, disagreed on other stuff and saved the world. Pretty easy to do. I realize that w/out your hyperbole, you don't have much to go on for discussion, but really, if she's making your game that hard, just kick her out of your party.

[Steelcan]

In the end it sure boils down to that besides her writer does not have a really good record about portraying lesbians an bisexuals in a good light. I really do not get why they though this was a good idea.

. Who did he write besides Carver and Aveline?

[Mihura]

. Who did he write besides Carver and Aveline?

 

Leliana's Song and A Paragon of Her Kind.

I find amazing too how Carver is a character that can be really annoying too but he still grows and support Hawke even as a Templar, even Aveline can be an ass but still not in the same level.

[robertthebard]

That wasn't my point. My point is that a man wrote her and some people dislike Sera's behavior because she's a female character. But if you take into account she's a female character written from the perspective of a man, it shows her personality traits in a different light. Gender, social status, race, class, everything - that affects your writing. This is coming from a published author.

Because surely there are no women in the world like Sera...

[Nhadalie]

Sounds like my playthrough!

 

I'm Playing a Female Dalish Elf, denies being the Hearld, beleives in the old elven god, fairly open minded and kind however. Can you be pro dalish and still romance her? I dont want to have to "lie" to gain her affection , i want my character to be.. well herself. Did you have trouble with this?

 

Worst case i got Cullen. >.>

I've found her to be much easier going and likeable as anything other than a Dalish elf. From what I've heard, they're the only ones she's openly hostile to if they're "elfy" at all. I get the idea that you have to be anti-elf stuff as a Dalish to get her approval. My Dalish romanced Solas though. And I'll never be able to play another Dalish elf without romancing him.

 

 

My human mage and Sera get along just fine so far.

 

It's interesting that a character can be so different towards different player characters. I'm planning a Qunari to romance her with eventually.

[WildOrchid]

I've found her to be much easier going and likeable as anything other than a Dalish elf. From what I've heard, they're the only ones she's openly hostile to if they're "elfy" at all. I get the idea that you have to be anti-elf stuff as a Dalish to get her approval. My Dalish romanced Solas though. And I'll never be able to play another Dalish elf without romancing him.

 

 

My human mage and Sera get along just fine so far.

 

It's interesting that a character can be so different towards different player characters. I'm planning a Qunari to romance her with eventually.

 

Yeah. IMO, overal, qunari is the best choice for Sera.

[MakeItToTheSunrise]

;Basically me when I recruited Sera:

 

[Barathos]

The gender of the writer doesn't matter though. Women can write rude characters too.

Umbridge from Harry Potter, for example.

 

Oh and Twilight / 50 Shades of Grey was written by women. 

 

That wasn't my point. My point is that a man wrote her and some people dislike Sera's behavior because she's a female character. But if you take into account she's a female character written from the perspective of a man, it shows her personality traits in a different light. Gender, social status, race, class, everything - that affects your writing. This is coming from a published author. 

Yeah, it affects your writing, but outright stating "If a man writes a female character, it's going to be a bit off/wrong" is wrong. 

[rapscallioness]

Although I'm still playing the game, I'm pretty far into it.  Sera...hmm...you know my impression of Sera is that she is not a simple trope turned on its head, but rather far more realistic view of what a City Elf, or alienage Elf would be like. She's hard. Sera is "street".

 

Yes, I think she's intelligent. I do not think it's a case of her deliberately trying to act stupid as much as simply talking, communicating and carrying herself in the way she grew up. It's how she learned to survive. Solas would get eaten alive in her place.

 

Sera growing up as a City Elf is a person that is despised right to their face. Indentured servants. No rights. Ppl can do whatever they want to you, and get away with it. The humans look down on you. Think they're better than you. The Dalish look down on you, and think they're better than you. So yeah, there are sum anger and problems with authority issues.

 

Is she an opportunist? More than likely. She better be. Living hand to mouth in a cut throat world.

 

Does she really care abt the "Commons"?  I think she does, but after her personal quest....I get the feeling her issues with nobles is abt something much more personal.  Perhaps even on a lvl similar with Vaughn and the City Elf origin from DAO?

 

Her reaction was so intense and almost shrill at one point, it gave me the feeling that this was abt things much deeper than ideologies. Somebody hurt her. That's my sense of it anyway.

 

Then you have her personal area which is again completely different than what you might imagine it would be. lol! She's an interesting character. She's difficult to deal with sometimes. At first I was annoyed by her. Thinking she was just going to be the annoying brat character. But there's alot more going on there.

 

Tl;dr: good character. nice complexity.

[SilentNukee]

I don't see the difference between a man or a woman writing her? He did a great job. I'm a lesbian, and I think Sera's approach is common. If you romance her, she wants sex rather fast. But this is common among the gay community.. It may be a stereotype but in my own personal experience, it's 100% true. And everyone can be ignorant. So what she's not really open to change? That's a common characteristic in ignorant people. But she still accepted my elf as her lover despite her lack of interest in other elves, so she can grow beyond that. Anyway, it's silly to hate so much on someone because their established personality clashes with your own ideal of how they should behave. They are who they are.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

I find it immensely amusing that the references from people wanting "growth" from Sera all tend to want a "Softening" approach as opposed to the classic "Hardening" of Aleister and Leliana.  They seem to want her to become more respectful, nicer, more empathic, reduce the frequency of her fart jokes, and to treat the Quizzie and company with more respect. 

 

To hell with that I say!  Let's HARDEN Sera up even more!

 

Make it so that she doesn't care anymore about innocents getting killed!  Make it so that she takes the initiative when dialogue wheel choices offer mercy or death, she steps forward and just kabobs the prisoner with arrows!  Have her get cannier and gain more low cunning so that she rivals Leliana as a ruthless spymaster!  Give her War Table missions where she starts hunting down and culling Dalish hunting parties that ambush farmers and shepherds in the shemlen areas they travel through!  Give her knife-ear trophies! 

 

Honestly, the ridiculousness of likening growth and evolution of character to ONLY the meek and compliant changes of a character is just plain silly.  Sometimes evolution can involve a Fall as well.  If I was a Dev and reading all the whining about Sera, I'd be tempted to say "You want character evolution?  You'll get character evolution!" and write her on an Anakin Skywalker downward spiral of epic proportions!

[WildOrchid]

I don't see the difference between a man or a woman writing her? He did a great job. I'm a lesbian, and I think Sera's approach is common. If you romance her, she wants sex rather fast. But this is common among the gay community.. It may be a stereotype but in my own personal experience, it's 100% true. And everyone can be ignorant. So what she's not really open to change? That's a common characteristic in ignorant people. But she still accepted my elf as her lover despite her lack of interest in other elves, so she can grow beyond that. Anyway, it's silly to hate so much on someone because their established personality clashes with your own ideal of how they should behave. They are who they are.

 

Eh, straight people do that too. It has less to do with sexuality and more about the person. I've never heard of this "stereotype" and i'm lesbian.

[fizzypop]

Sera is only good in small doses anything more than that though, no. She's basically only good for a laugh and otherwise someone easy to ignore. Jo is really the only viable option for FF romance.

[fizzypop]

I don't see the difference between a man or a woman writing her? He did a great job. I'm a lesbian, and I think Sera's approach is common. If you romance her, she wants sex rather fast. But this is common among the gay community.. It may be a stereotype but in my own personal experience, it's 100% true. And everyone can be ignorant. So what she's not really open to change? That's a common characteristic in ignorant people. But she still accepted my elf as her lover despite her lack of interest in other elves, so she can grow beyond that. Anyway, it's silly to hate so much on someone because their established personality clashes with your own ideal of how they should behave. They are who they are.

Really? My experience as a woman who has dated other women is that this is not common at all. I always find women who ID as lesbians want to take things slow and often want committed long-term relationships....you might be thinking more of gay men. The sex thing does apply to gay men at least according to my boo.

The elf thing; it is pretty hard to love someone who basically hates your very being. So yeah I cannot romance Sera as an elf. No. It feels so wrong and even abusive in some ways. At least fenris admits that mage hawke isn't like other mages. Sera doesn't really do that.

[rolson00]

...a b**ch?  I mean, I understand and agree with her philosophy of 'getting back at arrogant rich people who mistreat those around them', but she's really not that different to them from my observations. She similarly thinks she's kind of better than others, and treats others with needless rudeness - take this paraphrased example of her interacting with Solas:

Solas: <Something Elvish>
Sera: <Fart noise>
Solas: Excuse me?
Sera: Sorry, I only like to talk using real words.

Considering the man's quite polite to you, Sera, was there a reason to mock his passion? No, there wasn't - you did it simply because you could, and believe yourself to be in such a position to judge 'what's appropriate and what's not'. Sera, when it comes down to it, is basically a British Chav. She has good points, but the hypocrisy of her nature seems to escape her, and I doubt she'll have any revelation about it. She's probably the first Bioware companion I'd class as 'consistantly annoying'.

i totally agree im regretting recruiting her but on my first playthrough i want to try and do everyhting as much as i can, im just disappointing you cant judge her

[SilentNukee]

Really? My experience as a woman who has dated other women is that this is not common at all. I always find women who ID as lesbians want to take things slow and often want committed long-term relationships....you might be thinking more of gay men. The sex thing does apply to gay men at least according to my boo.

The elf thing; it is pretty hard to love someone who basically hates your very being. So yeah I cannot romance Sera as an elf. No. It feels so wrong and even abusive in some ways.

Really? I must meet the people you know then. I've gotten nothing but people who want to move super fast and though I may have liked that when I was younger, I definitely don't now. So yes, I guess it all depends on the individual's personality.

She comments on why she doesn't usually like elves, and it's because "we'd end up doing elf things together" and she doesn't want to be too "elfy". But she mentions that all that stuff means nothing because my Inquisitor is greater than that. She likes her for her. Luckily my elf isn't too "elfy", but some elves are. I guess if you value tradition, etc.. It might be harder for you to form something with her then.