She's a hypocrite because she has issues if you believe in a god;
She flatout says "Why are you acting stupid?" if you say you believe in the Dalish Gods, yet SHE believes in the Maker.
She's a hypocrite. HER religon is the right one and if you believe in any other god you're an idiot by her own words. She's a hypocrite.
The Dalish don't have good relations with non-Dalish, especially city elves. And let's face it, modern Dalish culture is pretty nonsensical(as well as humorously inaccurate, the whole wearing slave marking as the sign of being Dalish without knowing it is pretty funny). The Dalish generally come off as hostile and there are those among them who kill "shems" for trespassing and the like.
Let's remember, Sera is about the little folk, human or elven. The Dalish tend to be as bad as nobles when it comes to some poor sod breaking their rules.
Nobles kill peasants for poaching in their private hunting lands, Dalish do the same.
That might have been relevant had the breakup conversation been about Dalish/human relations, instead of religion alone. Given that none of the Creators demand hostility against humans, this would appear to have nothing to do with anything.
Also, the Inquisitor's clan isn't hostile to begin with.
Really? I gave you the accepted definition in " " and a link to the source, and you're still claiming this?
*groans loudly*
"I'm religious."
"So am I."
"Ugh, why are you so stupid?!"
Which companion isn't this game? xD
Well, tbh, Sera is the most complicated of them all. 
I was looking forward to Sera but she ended up being the first companion I hate to the point of not recruiting her anymore, would take the shanking option if it showed up like in DA:O.
also I always liked the Dalish. Not sure where people got their hate from.
That might have been relevant had the breakup conversation been about Dalish/human relations, instead of religion alone. Given that none of the Creators demand hostility against humans, this would appear to have nothing to do with anything.
Also, the Inquisitor's clan isn't hostile to begin with.
I'm not trying to say her behavior is justified from a moral rational behavior, but it has an explanation behind it.
People with past bad experiences with a group tend to remember them strongly. Its easy to see why someone like Sera would have prejudices against anyone who held the beliefs of a group she had a bad experience with.
*EDIT
Also an interesting relation to what I said about her previously, she's very normal, very human(as a character, not human the race). Her cognitive biases are rather common and plausible which contributes to her as a believable character.
I'm not trying to say her behavior is justified from a moral rational behavior, but it has an explanation behind it.
People with past bad experiences with a group tend to remember them strongly. Its easy to see why someone like Sera would have prejudices against anyone who held the beliefs of a group she had a bad experience with.
Well, yes. But you accept this as a major character flaw?
Well, yes. But you accept this as a major character flaw?
Oh sure.
Joker from The Dark Knight? Horribly flawed morally. Loved the way the character was done.
I think Sera's pretty well written. I don't particularly like her on a personal basis(I don't think we could be close friends), but I think she's well written.
*groans loudly*
"I'm religious."
"So am I."
"Ugh, why are you so stupid?!"
You're a hypcorite if you're religous yet say anyone else who believes is stupid.
Sera is religious. However she breaks up with you if you're in a romance with her and repeatedly calls you stupid if you yourself is religous. She's a hypocrite.
hypocrite
[hip-uh-krit]
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
You don't seem to have a firm grasp of what hypocrisy means. Sera is not a hypocrite. She believes in one faith that is exclusive towards not believing in another faith or accepting outside tenets. Sera is an Andrastan Chantry follower. She would make fart noises equally at the Tevinter Chantry, the faith of the Old Gods, and the Dalish/Elven Creators. There's no hypocrisy in regards to Sera breaking up with a lover from another religious faith that ran counter to her own.
Plus, the Dalish are stupid.... cause yanno, breeches!
So there may be a reason behind her attitude but that doesn't mean I have to 'accept it' or tolerate it myself.
As for myself, I don't think she's well written. If all it takes to make a well-written character is to make them an intolerant, racist, biogted hypocrite then it's not a high bar of writing.
So there may be a reason behind her attitude but that doesn't mean I have to 'accept it' or tolerate it myself.
As for myself, I don't think she's well written. If all it takes to make a well-written character is to make them an intolerant, racist, biogted hypocrite then it's not a high bar of writing.
You're doing it wrong:
I'm Catholic.
I'm Muslim.
C'ya later.
The Creators and Anrastianism are not the same religion. They are different religions. They are religions with such differences that Exalted Marches have been called by the Chantry over them.
She has an issue with your religion while being religous herself purely because of her racist attitude. God forbid I don't accept this as 'well written'.
And you'll still assume she's a good character? Or ignore all the other rampant acts of hypocrisy she does while focusing on that one aspect?
You're a hypcorite if you're religous yet say anyone else who believes is stupid.
Sera is religious. However she breaks up with you if you're in a romance with her and repeatedly calls you stupid if you yourself is religous. She's a hypocrite.
"Religious" =/= "believing the same religion". Not seeing eye to eye on religion is a serious barrier for certain relationships, especially when you go from a monotheistic religion to a polytheistic one. It's not hypocrisy.
WAIT, what. Where does she say she's andrastian? I thought she said she wants to believe in a god but then doesn't want to because of fear (the fear is a guess)?
But i don't remember her saying she already believes in Andraste?
WAIT, what. Where does she say she's andrastian? I thought she said she wants to believe in a god but doesn't want to because of fear (the fear is a guess)?
But i don't remember her saying she already believes in Andraste?
I forget where she mentions it, but she does.
"Religious" =/= "believing the same religion". Not seeing eye to eye on religion is a serious barrier for certain relationships, especially when you go from a monotheistic religion to a polytheistic one. It's not hypocrisy.
The issue with this is the fact your Dalish PC could be very private about their beliefs and religous- Sera is the one who constantly brings it up and insults you repeteadly.
I can understand her hate (but not accept) if you play a PC constantly shoving it in her face or calling her stupid all the time. But SHE'S the one constantly insulting you and bringing it up just to hate on you and the religion.
EDIT: Also I think it's after the Mythal Quest she mentions believing in the Maker after calling you stupid for believing in Gods.
She has an issue with your religion while being religous herself purely because of her racist attitude. God forbid I don't accept this as 'well written'.
And you'll still assume she's a good character? Or ignore all the other rampant acts of hypocrisy she does while focusing on that one aspect?
Gray area people are far better imo. More accepted, open minded, etc. And even if the world sometimes is black and white, i'd rather they stay in the grey area.
Obviously, this is Bioware and they've leaned that way their entire history, possibly all the way back to BG1. I would expect their fans to be biased in the same way.
Anyway, the absurdity of worshiping open-mindedness and being very closed-minded about it aside, some of us though were hoping for more of that scary black and white stuff you find so intimidating from the likes of Sera and others similar to her. It was more present in the past than it is now, and given this seemingly over-passionate desire to eradicate it from many fans I think it's possibly fair to say it will never be shown again.
The issue with this is the fact your Dalish PC could be very private about their beliefs and religous- Sera is the one who constantly brings it up and insults you repeteadly.
I can understand her hate (but not accept) if you play a PC constantly shoving it in her face or calling her stupid all the time. But SHE'S the one constantly insulting you and bringing it up just to hate on you and the religion.
EDIT: Also I think it's after the Mythal Quest she mentions believing in the Maker after calling you stupid for believing in Gods.
Are you for real? How many posts have you made insulting Sera in this thread alone? Like 50? I think you've got her beat at this point.
So there may be a reason behind her attitude but that doesn't mean I have to 'accept it' or tolerate it myself.
As for myself, I don't think she's well written. If all it takes to make a well-written character is to make them an intolerant, racist, biogted hypocrite then it's not a high bar of writing.
Intolerant, racist, bigoted, hypocrite. Got any more? Maybe a, I want to knife her? What in the flaming blazes did Sera do to you to evoke such hatred? She's rough around the edges?
Do the world and favor and don't play some of the earlier Bioware games, they'd probably qualify as crimes against humanity by your standards.
I don't ignore any of it. I appreciate the fact that she's totally honest about it. Being religious doesn't mean they're the same faith. More blood has been spilled in the name of God than for any other reason, historic fact. Hell, even Catholics don't agree on everything, hence the Roman and Protestant Catholics.
The problem is she's constantly confrontational about it- even if your PC never brings up their religion unless she asks them to. Then she relentlessly attacks them over it, like she's delibertly just making them voice their opinion so she can verbally assault them and feel vindicated in her hate.
I don't appreciate the totally honest 'opinion' of a hateful bigot, but each to their own.
Obviously, this is Bioware and they've leaned that way their entire history, possibly all the way back to BG1. I would expect their fans to be biased in the same way.
Anyway, the absurdity of worshiping open-mindedness and being very closed-minded about it aside, some of us though were hoping for more of that scary black and white stuff you find so intimidating from the likes of Sera and others similar to her. It was more present in the past than it is now, and given this seemingly over-passionate desire to eradicate it from many fans I think it's possibly fair to say it will never be shown again.
Are you for real? How many posts have you made insulting Sera in this thread alone? Like 50? I think you've got her beat at this point.
Black and white stuff like what? What precisely would you want more of?
Obviously, this is Bioware and they've leaned that way their entire history, possibly all the way back to BG1. I would expect their fans to be biased in the same way.
Anyway, the absurdity of worshiping open-mindedness and being very closed-minded about it aside, some of us though were hoping for more of that scary black and white stuff you find so intimidating from the likes of Sera and others similar to her. It was more present in the past than it is now, and given this seemingly over-passionate desire to eradicate it from many fans I think it's possibly fair to say it will never be shown again.
So there may be a reason behind her attitude but that doesn't mean I have to 'accept it' or tolerate it myself.
As for myself, I don't think she's well written. If all it takes to make a well-written character is to make them an intolerant, racist, biogted hypocrite then it's not a high bar of writing.
Its not those traits in a vacuum that make me evaluate the writing highly, its that there's a rational explanation behind how she acquired them, and she's very believable as a character.
Typically racists, bigots, etc. only show up in video games as convenient punching bags. Its really not that simple in real life. People aren't typically bigots because of an inherent flaw in their character from the moment they were born, which is exactly why its possible to change people's minds(although this can often be incredibly difficult). Bigotry aside, there's plenty of people who have just that one irritating belief or seeming irrationality about them, who are otherwise decent people.
She also demonstrates common cognitive biases quite well. Given enough self-examination, you might come to the conclusion to that you as well sometimes don't have perfect logic or reasoning. I certainly have noticed my behavior in the past to be less than perfectly rational(to be immediately defensive of one's ideas for example, is something I'm guilty of).
Black and white stuff like what? What precisely would you want more of?
I just mean she evokes a kind of spiritual independence, less constant battling back and forth between ideas, more action. On a very, very simple, level, anyway, that's the idea. Similar to Viconia and Edwin and others, who weren't as easily compelled to follow the mystical rules of debate and civility that were invented a long time ago, and often by people who were intending them to be used as weapons to fuel their own specific cause.
It would take more to delineate that in greater detail, but people have been reacting if nothing else to her kind of sudden "the gods are blegh," "X is dumb." They want her to be more "well I can understand your viewpoint and this and that."
Sometimes, the gods are just that, blegh.
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