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The first two DAs you were able to flirt and still end up okay at the end.  Sera takes the ice queen cake over Morrigan by a thousand fold.  Toughest romance character ever to exist in a video game.  They really did a horrible job with that.

 

Sera's romance is not complicated. The only restriction is that your character must be female. There are apparently benefits if you are a Qunari, but I'm not aware of what they are.

 

I never found Morrigan to be particularly icy. She's easy to gain approval for, and in large increments, and is willing to get into it more casually, more so than Leliana and Alistair.



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Sera's romance is not complicated. The only restriction is that your character must be female. There are apparently benefits if you are a Qunari, but I'm not aware of what they are.
 
I never found Morrigan to be particularly icy. She's easy to gain approval for, and in large increments, and is willing to get into it more casually, more so than Leliana and Alistair.


Heh, you can go from Flemeth's cabin to the party camp, and have Morrigan in bed before you ever go to Lothering.

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I love Sera! She has the most interesting banters ever. And eveyone in the Inquisition dislike her (except Cole who has compassion for everyone) so this makes her an underdog. And I have a thing for underdogs!



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Well, I don't like her, because her character is a bit like what we would describe to be a 'bush pig'. Although I must say Bioware did a fine job with elves bodies. They aren't so scrawny anymore and I do enjoy looking at her buttocks.



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Lack of faith or a simple excuse for her actions? has fear of magic but has no willingness to understand it. And her concern  for the common people is really touching when she send several to death to get a noble some payback(and of course not giving a damn about them). She likes to portray it as some childhood trauma how she acts but its simple selfishness

Basically how I see her as well. Mind you, she isn't as bad as - say - Christian Grey from the FSoG series, who is the poster boy for 'using an actually not all that bad past (that he technically shouldn't even remember in his case, as it stopped when he was four yet he has the memory recall of a much older child) to get what he wants and sympathy'. However, in the grand scheme of things I found that while her past explained her actions, it did not forgive them. Moving past her prejudices is only impossible because she refuses to do so, and while that makes her a far more human character than some of the others I really wish people would stop using those things as get out of jail free cards for her actions. Like her, love her, hate her or more, Sera is the way she is part out of history but mostly out of choice. The choice to remain the same, and perhaps even regress, and refuse to accept another's view point is still a choice in the end.


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Just talk with her and give her a chance, you will understand why she behaves like she does.

I always try to get her in my party. I love Varric, but Sera is just way more interesting and fun.



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Well, I don't like her, because her character is a bit like what we would describe to be a 'bush pig'. Although I must say Bioware did a fine job with elves bodies. They aren't so scrawny anymore and I do enjoy looking at her buttocks.

I thought bush pig indicated appearance, not behavior.



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Just talk with her and give her a chance, you will understand why she behaves like she does.

I always try to get her in my party. I love Varric, but Sera is just way more interesting and fun.

I did. All I saw was a person who, if I wasn't honestly roleplaying, would have been kicked out of my castle for her behavior. As I said, her past does explain her actions but it does not excuse them - and ultimately it comes down to the player to decide if they're willing to look past that or not. For me, Sera is honestly everything I despise in a person wrapped into one convenient package - especially after learning of her past - so I will never be able to accept her as she is. However, that doesn't mean I don't see why others love her. Different strokes and all that, and I will never stop praising her inclusion either. It took balls for Bioware to include her, and that I respect.


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I did. All I saw was a person who, if I wasn't honestly roleplaying, would have been kicked out of my castle for her behavior. As I said, her past does explain her actions but it does not excuse them - and ultimately it comes down to the player to decide if they're willing to look past that or not. For me, Sera is honestly everything I despise in a person wrapped into one convenient package - especially after learning of her past - so I will never be able to accept her as she is. However, that doesn't mean I don't see why others love her. Diferent strokes and all that, and I will never stop praising her inclusion either. It took balls for Bioware to include her, and that I respect.

 

When I played a city elf in DAO, my people got killed and raped by jarl of denerims son. Tevinter mages enslaved my people and tortured them. I can understand what Sera was going through because I saw it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. I would support her any time.

 

And after all that, she is still funny and happy most of the time, (if you respect and support her opinion)

There is nothing wrong with Sera! She is adorable, cute, smart and sometimes a little bit silly but always interesting.


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When I played a city elf in DAO, my people got killed and raped by jarl of denerims son. Tevinter mages enslaved my people and tortured them. I can understand what Sera was going through because I saw it with my own eyes and experienced it myself. I would support her any time.

 

And after all that, she is still funny and happy most of the time, (if you respect and support her opinion)

There is nothing wrong with Sera! She is adorable, cute, smart and sometimes a little bit silly but always interesting.

So did I and that was actually my favorite playthrough of all time as well as my favorite Origin prologue. My issue is that Sera frequently uses those same people in the name of fighting the good fight, but is really just doing it for her own sake. My Tabris would have hit her upside the head so fast she wouldn't see straight for days for sending innocents to die over some petty squabble with a noble. As I said, different strokes. I respect your right to view her that way, but also please respect mine to see her another.



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So did I and that was actually my favorite playthrough of all time as well as my favorite Origin prologue. My issue is that Sera frequently uses those same people in the name of fighting the good fight, but is really just doing it for her own sake. My Tabris would have hit her upside the head so fast she wouldn't see straight for days for sending innocents to die over some petty squabble with a noble. As I said, different strokes. I respect your right to view her that way, but also please respect mine to see her another.

 

Never said that I dont respect your opinion! But the whole thread is filled with people who actually lack the understanding of her character. Or they probably never played a city elf in DAO :)



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Never said that I dont respect your opinion! But the whole thread is filled with people who actually lack the understanding of her character. Or they probably never played a city elf in DAO :)

Ah, forgive me for the misunderstanding then. Part on good terms? :)



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Ah, forgive me for the misunderstanding then. Part on good terms? :)

 

Sure ;) I know you need to be patient with Sera sometimes, but if you listen to her and treat her with respect she will return it. 



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So did I and that was actually my favorite playthrough of all time as well as my favorite Origin prologue. My issue is that Sera frequently uses those same people in the name of fighting the good fight, but is really just doing it for her own sake. My Tabris would have hit her upside the head so fast she wouldn't see straight for days for sending innocents to die over some petty squabble with a noble. As I said, different strokes. I respect your right to view her that way, but also please respect mine to see her another.


Misconceptions abound. She doesn't send them anywhere. They already work for Lord Toobigformybreeches, or whoever. They leave messages for the Jennies that so and so needs to be dealt with. They aren't agents like Leliana's people, they are the common folk, that are already caught in the middle of the shitstorm you'd, evidently, rather leave them in, because they're little people? The whole build up to the her wine making encounter is due to those same little people being "punched down" by the Nobles squabbling over land. That's why she wants you to send some troops through the town. I'll point that out again: She asks you to send some troops through, not to send the maid and her cousin the stable boy, some troops, to slow down the Nobles.

Those people asked for help, she asked you to provide it. Up to you from there, but if you do, and do the rest of the quest, that Noble she turns into wine? He sent the drop location, to set her up, and only changes his toon because, shock of shocks, somebody that can fight back showed up, instead of some helpless servant that he thought he was going to get.
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I sum Sera up as simply being completely crackers. She's seriously unhinged IMO. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Utterly hilarious but nearly impossible to have a conversation with.

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I did. All I saw was a person who, if I wasn't honestly roleplaying, would have been kicked out of my castle for her behavior. As I said, her past does explain her actions but it does not excuse them - and ultimately it comes down to the player to decide if they're willing to look past that or not. For me, Sera is honestly everything I despise in a person wrapped into one convenient package - especially after learning of her past - so I will never be able to accept her as she is. However, that doesn't mean I don't see why others love her. Different strokes and all that, and I will never stop praising her inclusion either. It took balls for Bioware to include her, and that I respect.

 

Indeed, it doesn't excuse them. Maybe Sera is one of those people that will get a little more time to "grow"? From what i gathered, it's very hard for her to accept things she doesn't understand/fears.



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I hate Sera. I hate her voice, I hate her attitude, I hate that she always seems to be sneering at me. I plan on replying as an Elf again just so I can romance, dump her for not accepting that I'm Dalish, then hookup with ANY other character, but maybe Solas (again) and put her a party with us and pretend it's necessary to rub it in her face what she lost and that I'm better off without her.

I hate Sera so much she brings out the petty high school twit in me I never knew existed.
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Any notion I had of romancing Sera went out the window early on because she often came across as not just childish, but child-like in a lot of respects. Tantrums when she doesn't get her way or gets hard questions put to her, simplistic word views, poor impulse control, and a sense of her emotional growth having been retarded at an early age. It really would have skeeved me out to have my Inquisitor take her to bed.

 

So far as her overall personality, I don't think she'll win me over. Most of it was because she goes on about doing it for the little people, standing against bastards punching down, etc. with all the nuance of a twelve-year-old who's just discovered social activism, and I haven't seen any signs of growth 60 hours into the game. Can't say I'm impressed.


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I thought I would really like Sera at first, and even had plans to see about romancing her my first playthrough, which...lasted about two conversations in. Then something felt off enough and I took a sharp right turn off of that path and I am so glad I did. 

 

Spoilers for length and some specific mentions of parts of Sera's friendship/romance path. 

 

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She feels like a minority who saw her demographic discriminated against all her life, and coped by embracing the majority culture (chantry, anti-magic) and putting down her own demographic and ethnic culture in an attempt to fit in with the majority she grew up with.

 

I see this with some of my immigrant friends, the ones that moved to NA at a very young age, and never figured out how to balance both their new culture and their old culture, and ended up denouncing and badmouthing everything about their old culture and parents' people completely.

 

Could not find it in me to like Sera, even after all her character quests and stories.


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And what she does to a Dalish Inquisitor in a romance? I don't care about the reasons. Demanding someone give up their entire way of life for you. Their heritage, their sense of identity? That's wrong. That is very, very wrong. I mean, I can understand to an extent why she would? She doesn't like the Dalish. She supposedly has reasons. But the way she goes about it is messed up, and that entire conversation is full of really skeevy, blatant emotional manipulation.

That's a very interesting interpretation. You reveal something about yourself that she doesn't like, and so she bails on the relationship. That is not demanding anything of you at all, it is making her own choices about what she finds appealing and who she wants in her life. It is Sera demonstrating agency. Just how much that irritates some people is quite illuminating.
 

But her writer also doesn't have a great track record with writing non-abusive/villainous queer women, so I'm not sure what I was expecting.

Are you referring to Aveline? The Branka quest line?

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I loved how much I mostly disliked Sera.  Of all the characters, Sera felt the most real to me.  Other than the prank mission, I found myself constantly bothered by Sera's seeming aggressive disavowal of the big picture in the name of the little people.  That being the case, this wasn't the kind of irritation I had with, say, Carth.  Carth felt thinly written, as if all he had to do was bemoan whatever circumstance he was in.  Sera felt like a slightly mentally off kilter lower class person.  

 

Look at how Sera reacts to almost anything that goes contrary to her beliefs, she gets angry and not only denies its importance, but attacks the very premise that she could be wrong.  However, Sera isn't stupid.  She's keenly aware that the world is actually more complicated and nuanced than she's willing to accept.  Her beliefs and perspectives are constantly being called in to question, and while a more literary approach would see her develop and change, a more typical "real" approach would see a person cling to their position and beliefs.  That's Sera.

 

The most vivid example of Sera effectively being an attempt at bringing a "real" person to the game is when she kills Lord TooBigForHisBreeches (or whatever his name is).  Typically, if a character in a movie, book, or game throws anything meant to be deadly, it is very deadly (I'm looking specifically at R.A. Salvatore here but you can think of others).  What happens with Sera?  The knife lands in a way that is literally the least dangerous - it might have at least bruised him if the pommel had hit him.  So Sera has to beat the man to death with knees and fists.  Certainly this is visceral and actually uncomfortable to sit through, but it is also far more realistic.  

 

Did I find her irritating?  Absolutely.  That being said, I found her character to be so fleshed-out, wonderfully acted, and faithful to her own structure that I cannot help but love the character herself.

 

If I were to compare Sera to another character entirely, it would be Dickens's James Harthouse.  Dickens's narrator in Hard Times openly states, this guy is as bad as the Devil, if he isn't actually the Devil.  Yet Harthouse is the only character who is honest throughout the entire book.  He's aware that he's not an upright and noble individual, but he doesn't care.  While all the other characters are suffering some existential trauma or life altering dilemma, Harthouse is quietly manipulating, partying, pursuing his goals.  From an objective standpoint James Harthouse is a wicked person - he treats most people as playthings and could care less about the bigger picture.  However when one really dissects the character, it's clear that Harthouse is the only real person in the mix.  

 

To me, that's Sera.  And, much like James Harthouse, if you really don't want her around, literally all you have to do is ask her to leave. 


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Are you referring to Aveline? The Branka quest line?

 

Aveline isn't queer, though, so I guess Branka? Did Kristjanson write Anvil of the Void? I thought that was Hepler, for some reason, and Kristjanson cowrote the Orzammar sections.

 

EDIT: Okay, Hepler did write Branka, but Kristjanson wrote Leliana's Song, so I'm guessing this is a reference to Marjolaine? That said, Marjolaine was already set up as a villain in the main game by a different writer, so I doubt you can lay the blame at Kristjanson's feet for this exclusively.



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I thought her banters were hilarious.

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eh i like her a little bit now i got her to admit she doesn't actually give a **** about "the little people" that's honestly enough for me, no doubt this state isn't permanent and she'll go back to pretending to care.

 

rather funny as a mage i couldn't stand her, but as a dalish mage i'm enjoying picking her arguments to pieces, someone said a few pages back wouldn't it be grand if she basically went in a down would spiral basically becoming darth vader.

 

personally i'd love it, My biggest hang up is still her hiding behind "the little people" to justify her criminal actions. If she embraces who she is (scum) I thinked i'd actually really like her character. it's her penchant for bullshit annoys me the most, which is why i'm going to go straight back to ripping her apart the moment she utters "the little people" once again.

 

personally i'd love a dlc that confirmed my suspicions about her past. we know she was adopted by a noble and "it all worked out" i doubt very much shes as "street" as she claims, i've only ever heard the term "little people" used as a descriptive word for a common person uttered by those that have had rather protected life and think they're being supportive and polite.


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