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[Rifneno]

Not how it works. The children of mixed parents are always human in DA.

This. Alistair, in fact, is half-elf. Fiona is his mother. This was long theorized, but the way she coyly asks about him in DAI all-but-confirms it.

People who say "if a character evokes emotion, they're well done!" know literally nothing at all about writing. Not the tiniest shred. Any hack can write a pedophile serial killer and get them hated. I don't know how that terrible, awful piece of "wisdom" started floating around the Internet but it's one of the most ridiculous pieces of "wisdom" floating around it and that's saying a lot. Sera is the Inquisitor's ally, not a villain, she was not written with the intent that almost everyone dislikes her. Yet she's almost universally disliked outside of the "crazy feminist who thinks Elizabeth Bathory was just a strong independent woman and you're a misogynist if you hate her" demographic. Sera is a poor character and the fact that the majority of the playerbase seems to get less than no enjoyment out of her as a companion is not a positive thing.

Realism will always, and should always, take a backseat to what makes the game more enjoyable. Yes, there are people like this in real life. That doesn't mean there should be a character from every demographic. There's also pacifists out there who won't help me fight the enemy, I don't want them in my group. There's hardcore vegans who will leave the group if I do that "hunt some rams for meat for starving refugees" quest. Don't want them either.

[Nicky]

No, I would agree with her. If I'm French(I'm not), and you're American, it would be really rude for me to suddenly say something in French in the middle of the conversation.

 

Or maybe it's rude of the American not to know French? There are other languages besides English and people sometimes slip into these languages either unwittingly or as a form of comfort and security if they're from a country that speaks in that language as a majority. It would not be rude to say, 'Bonjour' to an American if you are French because a language in itself is not rude nor offensive to speak.

 

I'm terribly sorry if I'm Spanish and suddenly exclaim a common phrase of my tongue to an American because it is what I am used to saying, or if I'm Korean and I'm constantly switching from my language to English and back again because that is how I communicate. There is no rudeness in knowing a language someone does not, nor is there a rudeness in speaking it to someone who is ignorant of what it means.

 

It IS rude to mock a language, however. Would you be annoyed with me if I was Dutch and said something in my language if I felt it was relevant the conversation? Or maybe it's because in general, English-speaking countries see anyone who doesn't speak their language as stupid, rude and incompetent when in reality anyone that's living in a country that speaks English where THEY speak another language is BOUND to know one more language than you do.

 

Solas can speak two languages, and Sera can only speak one (to my knowledge). Now who, pray tell, is the more ignorant one? The one claiming a language is not 'real' because they won't acknowledge themselves as part of that history, or the one speaking it simply because it's a part of who they are?

[Rifneno]

Solas can speak two languages, and Sera can only speak one (to my knowledge). Now who, pray tell, is the more ignorant one? The one claiming a language is not 'real' because they won't acknowledge themselves as part of that history, or the one speaking it simply because it's a part of who they are?

Both of them.

[Nicky]

Both of them.

 

Well, then I honestly hope you don't know anyone who can speak another language.

 

I honestly don't know HOW it could be ignorant that someone speaks THEIR OWN LANGUAGE to someone else, but sure.

 

And thank you for entirely ignoring the rest of my ramblings to focus on the one point you wanted, bravo! I think you missed a few points there.

 

Moving on from this lost cause though...

 

I really do think Sera was well done, and even if I don't entirely feel connected to her as a character I DO love the fact that I'm confused by her but continuously find myself attempting to understand her and what she wants from me and the Inquisition. I think she's a good person, a little blinded to the seriousness and propriety of how one should typically act in society, and I sometimes wonder if she doesn't have something like Autism or...? Not that having Autism would be a bad thing, mind you, if it was something her writers decided to implement, but that's merely my own speculation.

 

Overall, I would like more characters like her in the future because she WAS well-written and intriguing. We need more characters that don't make you feel comfortable or uncomfortable in the same way a 'Good' or 'Bad' person would, but in a more ambiguous way that makes us question how we perceive said character. That being said, a whole GAME full of Sera's might be a bit much...heh.

[Rifneno]

And thank you for entirely ignoring the rest of my ramblings to focus on the one point you wanted, bravo! I think you missed a few points there.

You're welcome.

[Rannik]

Felt so good kicking that clown out.

[Nicky]

You're welcome.

 

That being said, as a French-Canadian, I find it extremely rude that you're speaking English to me in conversation. I don't know HOW you could be so ignorant, but perhaps attempt not to use your own language to communicate your thoughts and feelings to me next time. French is preferred.

 

Bonne journée!

[Brelakor]

Spoilers for Solas romance ending:

 

Spoiler

I got along with her quite well, did all the pranking scene and stuff, until I let Solas take my F!Lavellan's vallaslin and the only thing she does is mock my Inquisitor I was so heartbroken after what else happened in that scene with Solas, I kinda would have thought maybe Sera would have been there for my Inquisitor as a friend or at the very least not made fun of her when my Inquisitor probably just spent the last hour bawling her eyes out

 

But apart from that I don't mind her. The bees are funny I guess

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Love her or hate her, her writer succeeded; that is to say, she has the desired effect. The game goes to lengths to validate her presentation, with either dialogue options like "start making sense", or the bard's song that says rather clearly she enrages some folks.


Something to consider though, Sera doesn't like people, noble people, because of how they treat "people people". One might say she brings it on herself, you know, acting the way she does, but I don't think that's really the point. Sera is a metaphor for how the world views us all. We get to play God on our side of the dialogue wheel: judge, jury, and executioner, but step in Sera's shoes and the Inquisitor would maybe send you packing for arbitrary reasons. This being good or bad isn't the point either, it's simply about the reality of it.

[Ennai and 54 others]

Not how it works. The children of mixed parents are always human in DA.

lol was joking.

 

Although feynriel......

[Ennai and 54 others]

Not how it works. The children of mixed parents are always human in DA.

lol was joking.

 

Although feynriel......

[Bruxae]

Sera was easily my favorite companion.

[Adanu]

Hate her. Only reason I kept her around was her red jenny network. A resource is a resource, and I don't need to like her for her to be useful.

[KaiserShep]

Realism will always, and should always, take a backseat to what makes the game more enjoyable. Yes, there are people like this in real life. That doesn't mean there should be a character from every demographic. There's also pacifists out there who won't help me fight the enemy, I don't want them in my group. There's hardcore vegans who will leave the group if I do that "hunt some rams for meat for starving refugees" quest. Don't want them either.

 

It would've been funny if that vegan companion left the moment you equipped his/her weapon with a handle made of bear hide and nugskin.

[Gabey5]

I still get a laugh at her names for Corypheus. But she is one dimensional

[Volcanthe]

Sera? She's awesome. Has crude humour and likes to take the top dogs down a peg or two, but also warms up to the Inquisitor if they become friends with her (bonus points if your Quizzy is a noble, haha). She reminds me of a younger sibling that despite all the questionable things they do, you can't help but care for them. Except well, she isn't a sibling nor a child. I like her personal story, it explains why she acts the way she does, and also explains why she doesn't have any love for people with power. I can understand why some do not like her, but for me, she's got a place in my top favourite companions (I like them all, in varying degrees).

[Rifneno]

Spoilers for Solas romance ending:
 

Spoiler

I got along with her quite well, did all the pranking scene and stuff, until I let Solas take my F!Lavellan's vallaslin and the only thing she does is mock my Inquisitor I was so heartbroken after what else happened in that scene with Solas, I kinda would have thought maybe Sera would have been there for my Inquisitor as a friend or at the very least not made fun of her when my Inquisitor probably just spent the last hour bawling her eyes out

 
But apart from that I don't mind her. The bees are funny I guess

Wait, was she making fun of her in general or for what happened in that scene? i.e. was it random dialogue at a poor time or was she actually programmed to mock her for that? Because if the latter, Sera's just a complete piece of ****. There's no excuse for that. That is utterly reprehensible.

[Ap0crypha]

@Rifneo: She's programmed to mock the Inquisitor, who's just learned that

 

Spoiler

her vallaslin are actually slave markings, and has just been dumped by the man she loves.

 

It really is abominable behavior, especially coming from one of your "friends".

[Rifneno]

@Rifneo: She's programmed to mock the Inquisitor, who's just learned that
 

Spoiler

her vallaslin are actually slave markings, and has just been dumped by the man she loves.

 
It really is abominable behavior, especially coming from one of your "friends".

Jesus. I wouldn't mock people I hate in that situation. Sera is filth.

Oh but remember, this disgusts us, so she's WELL WRITTEN! *eye roll*

[Z.Z]

Or maybe it's rude of the American not to know French? There are other languages besides English and people sometimes slip into these languages either unwittingly or as a form of comfort and security if they're from a country that speaks in that language as a majority. It would not be rude to say, 'Bonjour' to an American if you are French because a language in itself is not rude nor offensive to speak.
 
I'm terribly sorry if I'm Spanish and suddenly exclaim a common phrase of my tongue to an American because it is what I am used to saying, or if I'm Korean and I'm constantly switching from my language to English and back again because that is how I communicate. There is no rudeness in knowing a language someone does not, nor is there a rudeness in speaking it to someone who is ignorant of what it means.
 
It IS rude to mock a language, however. Would you be annoyed with me if I was Dutch and said something in my language if I felt it was relevant the conversation? Or maybe it's because in general, English-speaking countries see anyone who doesn't speak their language as stupid, rude and incompetent when in reality anyone that's living in a country that speaks English where THEY speak another language is BOUND to know one more language than you do.
 
Solas can speak two languages, and Sera can only speak one (to my knowledge). Now who, pray tell, is the more ignorant one? The one claiming a language is not 'real' because they won't acknowledge themselves as part of that history, or the one speaking it simply because it's a part of who they are?

Solas always gives me the feeling that he speaks Elven on purpose. If you speak a language that you are sure the other doesnt comprehend, then unless it's some obscure kind of blessing, it's rude.
你看，像这样。多尴尬呀。

[Z.Z]

Oops double post

[KaiserShep]

her character would completely change if bi or straight. It'd allow different players to see her in a different freaking light. When you enter a relationship with some one, you typically see their truer side, or more of their purer personality. when the guy who doesn't enjoy playing a female characters doesn't want to replay through the whole game to see if she's a good personality or not, then it does, in fact, ruin the character.

 

The logic of this thinking is questionable. Player does X to meet certain conditions for a character to reveal a flaw or virtue, but those flaws and virtues still exist. That they're not freely open to every version of the PC doesn't ruin the character, any more than failing or refusing to boost approval does. That you can't easily get everything out on the table under all circumstances is not a failing on the way the character is written. If anything, having companions act a bit differently to different types of people gives them a greater sense of agency. They shouldn't be like codex entries that can be freely explored. If you feel compelled to have to metagame to find all of the things you think are wrong with a character, that's really just too bad.

 

Let's look at Anders. Anders will gladly accept Hawke handing an ally over to a Tevinter slave owner, despite his hangup on injustice, but it requires Hawke to be a total jerkass to do it. Why would I consider his character ruined for this not being something I can know about beforehand? Under what other circumstances should this information reveal itself? Should he say in banter "I wish you were made a slave again!"? What for?

[ADeadDiehard]

The logic of this thinking is questionable. Player does X to meet certain conditions for a character to reveal a flaw or virtue, but those flaws and virtues still exist. That they're not freely open to every version of the PC doesn't ruin the character, any more than failing or refusing to boost approval does. That you can't easily get everything out on the table under all circumstances is not a failing on the way the character is written. If anything, having companions act a bit differently to different types of people gives them a greater sense of agency. They shouldn't be like codex entries that can be freely explored.

If the only way to make a character tolerable is by bedding them, I doubt that can be called a success.

[KaiserShep]

If the only way to make a character tolerable is by bedding them, I doubt that can be called a success.

 

In what way is this any different from making Vivienne less condescending by doing what she approves of? Like, upon arrival to Skyhold, instead of showing any kind of concern, she will automatically berate the newly appointed Inquisitor for having set up any operation in Haven in the first place, despite this not being a choice of his/hers, whereas higher approval Vivienne will show concern for the Inquisitor's well being instead.

 

All of the characters are like this to some extent. Take Morrigan. Morrigan disapproves of you being overly charitable, but will be sweeter toward you if you tell her what she likes, give her gifts and possibly romance her. While these things can make themselves apparent regardless, you can leave her behind a lot and miss much of this. Alistair will be a total ****** and abandon the Warden entirely if you decide to conscript Loghain, despite the Blight still being a real threat, all for sake of the precious honor of the order. It's all the same thing.

[Opag Zirsk]

and may I just say that if you hate Sera, you're going to dislike her a little even after the Romance. She doesn't "change", you just understand her a little bit better.