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[Chari]

I constantly notice dark-skinned folk in back and frontground. Also some of not-het couples. And most of all I love how casual it is - feels like a natural part of the world and culture and not a forced token thing. A part of normal life for Thedas
It is obviously not 50/50 but well-done, better than probably most AAA games
I am leaving this thread before it explodes (they always do). I just wanted to say
Bioware, this is one of the many aspects of this game in which you did really, really good

[Lord Giantsbane]

I too really love that. Now before some expert anthropologists make their way to this thread saying how it is historically inaccurate depiction of medieval Europe this is, well the game is nowhere saying it is trying to emulate medieval Europe, so a mix of different ethnicities is a welcome change in this fantasy setting. It also in no way contradicts what we saw in DAO, which was set entirely in Ferelden.

[panda_express12]

so only dark skinned folk are diverse? oh yes i remember in our world diversity means not white.

[The Loyal Nub]

This thread will get locked, no doubt, and probably rightfully, but I agree wholeheartedly with the op and with the post that follows too. 

[Chari]

I too really love that. Now before some expert anthropologists make their way to this thread saying how it is historically inaccurate depiction of medieval Europe this is, well the game is nowhere saying it is trying to emulate medieval Europe, so a mix of different ethnicities is a welcome change in this fantasy setting. It also in no way contradicts what we saw in DAO, which was set entirely in Ferelden.

What I love the most is that they combine both diversity and believability. It is very possible to create a logical world with flaws, discrimination and danger which is also racially and sexually diversive. Many creators try to bring in diversity but make it feel like a poc/ a queer exist in the story just for the sake of existing, purely defined by their race or sexuality. Right intentions but often not a great execution

Bioware avoid it for the most part. Everything feels like a natural part of a culture, of a society, of a race, of a country. Flawed yet diverse just like the real world

That's the way to make media much less narrow in terms - to use logical, common sense, knowledge of biological and cultural and historical processes with intentions of promoting the diversity. Complex picture, complex people, complex stories

[mikeymoonshine]

Yeah, I liked how they did it naturally. Sort of building on the diversity and the lore from the last two games and just sort of making more noticeable in this game. You still feel like you are in southern thedas, the world isn't full of poc's there seem to be a reasonable amount of them and they are where you would expect them to be. 

[what]

so only dark skinned folk are diverse? oh yes i remember in our world diversity means not white.

 

You are missing the point. Dark-skinned people aren't as well represented in video games as white people are (same with gay/bi/etc... people compared to the amoutn of straight people). Plus diversity doesn't mean half white and half people of colour, that isn't equal representation. It means a whole range of different races. 

 

And it's not like the game couldn't do better in terms of diversity. Out of the 9 companions only 2 of them are confirmed people of colour. 

[Natureguy85]

I too really love that. Now before some expert anthropologists make their way to this thread saying how it is historically inaccurate depiction of medieval Europe this is, well the game is nowhere saying it is trying to emulate medieval Europe, so a mix of different ethnicities is a welcome change in this fantasy setting. It also in no way contradicts what we saw in DAO, which was set entirely in Ferelden.

 

They may not say it but that's what they did in the previous games.  We may have only seen Ferelden, but we met foreigners and knew what countries or cultures the other nations represented. There was a great article that used to be linked here that talked about it.

 

http://tay.kotaku.co...fant-1662330835

 

There's nothing wrong with having diverse characters, but I don't like pandering. I'm not saying Inquisition is, since I haven't played the game yet. But I always shake my head when I see people so concerned about it. To me, it's as dumb as people whining about lack of white people, or diversity genrally in jade empire or in GTA San Andreas. Those both make sense in their settings.

[Jazzpha]

I'm personally still waiting on the day when protagonists in games like this can be physically or mentally handicapped in one form or another and still save the world. It always amuses me how "diversity", for how lauded it is, never seems to include my own personal slice of the marginalization spectrum... but everything and everyone else under the sun still seems to somehow make it.

 

I mean, at this point I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that people such as myself have no place in an action genre, but a man can dream.

 

And for the record, since IB's eye is (I assume, haven't recruited him yet) a combat injury, it doesn't count. I'm talking "pre-existing condition, US Healthcare hates your guts"-tier.

 

p.s. I know the term "handicapped" is no longer PC, but I've always found the term "disabled" to be incredibly fatalistic and patronizing. We're not irrevocably broken, we just don't work as well as the rest of you "normal" people.

[KneeTheCap]

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I'm personally still waiting on the day when protagonists in games like this can be physically or mentally handicapped in one form or another and still save the world.

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Try the Fallout series with a character that has very low intelligence.

[mikeymoonshine]

They may not say it but that's what they did in the previous games.  We may have only seen Ferelden, but we met foreigners and knew what countries or cultures the other nations represented. There was a great article that used to be linked here that talked about it.

 

http://tay.kotaku.co...fant-1662330835

 

There's nothing wrong with having diverse characters, but I don't like pandering. I'm not saying Inquisition is, since I haven't played the game yet. But I always shake my head when I see people so concerned about it. To me, it's as dumb as people whining about lack of white people, or diversity genrally in jade empire or in GTA San Andreas. Those both make sense in their settings.

 

This article again. 

 

You may not have played Inquisition but you did play Origins, so you should be able to tell that the writer is misrepresenting that game and the world it was set in. There were plenty of women in positions of power and in the military in Origins and there was even some ethnic diversity. The POC characters are not all from Rivain and they are not the result of some massive retcon.  

 

This time the only people who are whining are conspiracy theorists who think Bioware artificially injected a bunch of diversity into Thedas just to placate the SJW's of tumblr. Thedas being sort of based on Europe doesn't mean it has to directly represent Europe and it didn't do that even in Origins. 

[The Loyal Nub]

This article again. 

 

You may not have played Inquisition but you did play Origins, so you should be able to tell that the writer is misrepresenting that game and the world it was set in. There were plenty of women in positions of power and in the military in Origins and there was even some ethnic diversity. The POC characters are not all from Rivain and they are not the result of some massive retcon.  

 

This time the only people who are whining are conspiracy theorists who think Bioware artificially injected a bunch of diversity into Thedas just to placate the SJW's of tumblr. Thedas being sort of based on Europe doesn't mean it has to directly represent Europe and it didn't do that even in Origins.

 

/\ This. So much This.

[mickey111]

people are black because of many generations of living in climate of roasting hot temperatures, right? Is Thedas a climate of roasting hot temperatures?

[mickey111]

also there aren't any games with hodor as the main protagonist. this is very offensive towards the gamers afflicted with a simple mind. bioware pls fix.

[Chari]

people are black because of many generations of living in climate of roasting hot temperatures, right? Is Thedas a climate of roasting hot temperatures?

Eh, Rivain is. The Tevinter is also a pretty hot place. So are qunari lands and pretty much the whole north. Heck, there is a desert in Orlais

[mikeymoonshine]

people are black because of many generations of living in climate of roasting hot temperatures, right? Is Thedas a climate of roasting hot temperatures?

 

Hmm well Thedas isn't the real world and I doubt the biology of Thedas is particularly similar, anyway it's a little more complicated than that. More melanin in your skin means better protection from the sun. So organisms that evolved in hot climates would be better equipped for survival if they a lot of melanin in their skin and melanin creates darker skin tones. The interesting thing is we are all descended from organisms that evolved in hot climates so those with the lightest skin are the ones who have changed the most (in that respect at least) and nobody is completely sure why. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

people are black because of many generations of living in climate of roasting hot temperatures, right?

That's pretty much exactly backwards. Actually, it's not even backwards unless you substitute "high sunlight exposure" for "roasting hot temperatures". But other than being wrong and backwards... 

[Natureguy85]

I'm personally still waiting on the day when protagonists in games like this can be physically or mentally handicapped in one form or another and still save the world. It always amuses me how "diversity", for how lauded it is, never seems to include my own personal slice of the marginalization spectrum... but everything and everyone else under the sun still seems to somehow make it.

 

I mean, at this point I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that people such as myself have no place in an action genre, but a man can dream.

 

And for the record, since IB's eye is (I assume, haven't recruited him yet) a combat injury, it doesn't count. I'm talking "pre-existing condition, US Healthcare hates your guts"-tier.

 

p.s. I know the term "handicapped" is no longer PC, but I've always found the term "disabled" to be incredibly fatalistic and patronizing. We're not irrevocably broken, we just don't work as well as the rest of you "normal" people.

 

You have to become a favored political class first. Only then can you be included in "diversity".

[Natureguy85]

This article again. 

 

You may not have played Inquisition but you did play Origins, so you should be able to tell that the writer is misrepresenting that game and the world it was set in. There were plenty of women in positions of power and in the military in Origins and there was even some ethnic diversity. The POC characters are not all from Rivain and they are not the result of some massive retcon.  

 

This time the only people who are whining are conspiracy theorists who think Bioware artificially injected a bunch of diversity into Thedas just to placate the SJW's of tumblr. Thedas being sort of based on Europe doesn't mean it has to directly represent Europe and it didn't do that even in Origins. 

 

No, but it's worth keeping an eye on when we've seen Bioware do it before.

[Nathair Nimheil]

 those with the lightest skin are the ones who have changed the most (in that respect at least) and nobody is completely sure why. 

Maybe not "completely sure" but it is quite clear that dark complexions and higher latitudes leads to vitamin D deficiency problems, ie. selection pressure, while the inverse is true for selection pressure for higher melanin production that obtains closer to the equator.

[mikeymoonshine]

No, but it's worth keeping an eye on when we've seen Bioware do it before.

 

When? 

[Majestic Jazz]

so only dark skinned folk are diverse? oh yes i remember in our world diversity means not white.

Well considering that from a western perspective, white is considered default/generic/the norm. So anything outside of that is diverse.

[mikeymoonshine]

Maybe not "completely sure" but it is quite clear that dark complexions and higher latitudes leads to vitamin D deficiency problems, ie. selection pressure, while the inverse is true for selection pressure for higher melanin production that obtains closer to the equator.

 

Yeah that is most likely the reason but as far as I remember nobody can be completely sure. Deficiencies are passed on like anything else, if they don't kill you they are probably going to stick around in your descendants. So there would have to be something stopping these people breeding in these areas or the deficiencies would have to be fatal which I don't think they necessarily were. I think the theory is that people who were randomly born with lighter skin tones were less likely to have these deficiencies and so were more likely to be healthy and therefore more likely to breed. Over the years peoples skin just slowly got lighter and lighter in areas with higher latitudes. I think that is a very likely explanation but we can't be sure, unless I am remembering it wrong. I read a paper about this a few years ago. 

[Natureguy85]

That's pretty much exactly backwards. Actually, it's not even backwards unless you substitute "high sunlight exposure" for "roasting hot temperatures". But other than being wrong and backwards... 

 

Wait, so it's hot or sunny because people are black?

[Natureguy85]

When? 

 

Anders and Kaiden becoming gay for no reason. Although I guess you could justify Anders by thinking of the circle as real life prison.

 

And don't give me that "well you don't really know" nonsense. The characters were clearly established and then they were changed rather than writing new and interesting characters.

 

I heard that some homosexual people also didn't like Steve because he was whiny and shallow, but I can't speak to that. I actually liked Steve because they made him good at his job.