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Did you choose Hawke or Alistair/Loghain/Stroud?

 

I always choose Hawke for these reasons.

 

Hawke has influence, Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, Hawke is a symbol to rally around, Hawke is highly charismatic, and Hawke has suffered so much already. Hawke living, in my eyes, simply does more for the Inquisition than any of the Warden options and I can't stand to see Varric being so sad. Not to mention that Hawke isn't at fault for Ol'Corry escaping as Hawke didn't know anything about the madman (And Hawke even mentioned that the body was cold and dead) yet Hawke still is willing to die to fix a mistake that wasn't their own. Instead the Wardens were at fault in regards to that and it isn't fair that Hawke should have to pay the price for their sins.

 

Alistair as a Warden is a wasted potential when he could have been a King and changed the way men/women think as well enact policies that're for the betterment of all as well as lead a Nation to a brighter future. As a Warden he's merely one of many and he wasn't even a top dog in the Warden Ranks. Besides, my Grey Warden still yet lives so the Wardens have fine leadership awaiting them after Inquisition.

 

Loghain is old, very old, as well as a traitor that nearly doomed an entire nation due to his paranoia. It's fitting that he give the ultimate sacrifice, when there's no easy way outs like the Dark Ritual, and thus helping save the world from total destruction as one final redemption as well as serving as an apology for his past betrayals to his King, his Country, and the Grey Wardens (He got most of the Ferelden Grey Wardens killed and placed blame upon them for the King's death).

 

Stroud never got enough screen time or development. He's also right that a Warden SHOULD be the one to try and set things right and he realized that the Inquisitor and Hawke are much more influential and important than he is. His death also serves an example, in the darkness, on how a Warden should act thus being an inspiration to the Order as well as showing the World that Wardens are willing to even give up their lives to clean up their own messes and make things right.


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I would have chosen Loghain hoping for Inquisition to gain a general, but alas He leaves for Weisshaupt.
But as to the descriptions of the Cantidates.

Hawkes connections are already accessible to the Inquisition via Varric

Alistair is actually a senior Warden now, not to mention A blight Veteran so not exactly your average Warden - and with the death of all the other Senior Wardens Alistair is actually THE only remaining Senior Warden in the south.

Ohoho don't even start me on the Loghain one: Most of the Grey Wardens would have been killed already since they were on the frontlines of the vanguard, so was the King. Both were there at that idiot Cailans insistence despite Loghain wanting Cailan out of the fighting.
He didn't betray his country, his withdrawl was him trying to save what remained of the army - You will note that the Ferelden armies ranks were already completely broken before you even crossed the bridge to Ishal, and considering it would have taken you an hour or two to get to the top of that tower the army was essentially obliterated before Loghain even got the signal.
Also **** Cailan, he was the idiot who insisted he be on the frontlines -and was A traitor himself, intendeding to sell Fereldens sovreignty to Orlais

Don't know stroud all that well except he, like the other two is the only senior warden left. Considering that problems are indicated to be present in the north in Weisshaupt etc by the lack of response and the epilogue - and the fact the Southern Wardens are pretty much on the brink of collapse and almost did collapse - I'd say a senior warden would be pretty important right about now for the order to survive.
 


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I was conflicted, but in the end I chose Stroud. 

 

I figured the wardens would figure themselves out eventually, with or without him. Hawke, on the other hand, needs to keep Anders from blowing **** up. 



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I've said a few times that the decision between Hawke and Loghain was the single most difficult one I've ever had to make in a video game. In the end, I kept Loghain alive thinking that the wardens would need someone like him to rebuild. Letting Hawke die, leaving Merrill alone....that was heartbreaking, but greater good and all that. 

 

I was severely unsatisfied with Loghain's epilogue, though. I'm currently on another playthrough with the same world state and I'm going to make the opposite choice and let Loghain sacrifice himself. If I prefer that epilogue, I'm just going to change it in the keep when the DAI section opens up.


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I just finished that mission and I chose Loghain to sacrifice himself, it seemed more fitting. I think I would always choose whoever the Grey Warden is in that scenario, it fits in with their ideas about protecting others and being prepared for sacrifice. I didn't like how Hawke just left straight after though! But I had the rest of the Grey Warden's join the Inquisition, although they don't really have anyone to lead them now lol. I like to think Blackwall would take charge a bit. 



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I would have chosen Loghain hoping for Inquisition to gain a general, but alas He leaves for Weisshaupt.
But as to the descriptions of the Cantidates.

Hawkes connections are already accessible to the Inquisition via Varric

Alistair is actually a senior Warden now, not to mention A blight Veteran so not exactly your average Warden - and with the death of all the other Senior Wardens Alistair is actually THE only remaining Senior Warden in the south.

Ohoho don't even start me on the Loghain one: Most of the Grey Wardens would have been killed already since they were on the frontlines of the vanguard, so was the King. Both were there at that idiot Cailans insistence despite Loghain wanting Cailan out of the fighting.
He didn't betray his country, his withdrawl was him trying to save what remained of the army - You will note that the Ferelden armies ranks were already completely broken before you even crossed the bridge to Ishal, and considering it would have taken you an hour or two to get to the top of that tower the army was essentially obliterated before Loghain even got the signal.
Also **** Cailan, he was the idiot who insisted he be on the frontlines -and was A traitor himself, intendeding to sell Fereldens sovreignty to Orlais


Don't know stroud all that well except he, like the other two is the only senior warden left. Considering that problems are indicated to be present in the north in Weisshaupt etc by the lack of response and the epilogue - and the fact the Southern Wardens are pretty much on the brink of collapse and almost did collapse - I'd say a senior warden would be pretty important right about now for the order to survive.
 

 

I found this conversation on Ostagar with Solas very enlightening as regards that whole affair. Very nice nod on the writers' part.

 

Personally, I let Hawke remain in the Fade, for the reasons Augustei pointed out in favour of the Wardens that could be present as well as the following: She volunteered first, and, frankly, I did not feel any connection to her being the character I played in DA2. You can now point out that DA2 was basically Varric's story to tell et al etc., that Hawke is technically BW's character to write anyhow etc. etc., but it simply did not 'click' with me either way. This wasn't the ruthless, mercenary Hawke I knew, who at best would have come along to slay Corypheus again for sport and also thrown herself at that thing for that very reason. Who also would have cited very different reasons for siding with the Mages in Kirkwall - protecting her sister in the Circle, renouncing Meredith as mage-dom is very much in the Hawke-bloodline, and Hawkes had not proven to be the monsters Meredith likens them to be by announcing Annulment.

 

On the whole, I can't say that having the PC from a prior game appearing on-screen again worked, as far as I am concerned, and I would welcome BW rather abstaining from this going forward.

 

Yet, for all of that, I'll salute Hawke's last words on-screen:

 

Safe harbours, Isabela.


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I choose to let Hawke die. That way she could finally do something that mattered :P

And it felt as though we needed the leader for the Wardens alive.


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I chose Hawke to live and somehow under my leadership I drove all of the Grey Wardens in Orlais to extinction, while Hawke traveled to Weisshaupt and killed everyone there.



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I saved Hawke, and Stroud stayed in the fade. I felt sorry for both. Despite the sloppy writing around Hawke in DAI (Why should Hawke go to Weisshaupt? Don't we have messengers? Where did she get that stick up her ass? I could use Isabela's fleet. As spies or smugglers, at least), in DA2 she was a very powerful mage and my Inquisitor would have kept her around. Bless headcanons.

 

I just absorbed the orlesian wardens into the inquisition. And frankly, I find it hard to believe that the order would die out because of lack of senior wardens. The Warden and Alistair defeated a blight all by themselves, and they were rookies. Then Alistair went off to get drunk, all the Orlesian wardens got killed in Amaranthine, and my Warden rebuilt the whole goddamn order in Ferelden. Oghren and Nathaniel are out there somewhere. If Oghren was in charge, none of this demon bullshit would have happened :lol:

 

I'm also shamefully partial to Hawke, I don't think I'll be able to let her die with any character. I loved her too much in DA2.


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I chose Stroud to stay in the fade

 

Too bad Hawke couldn't stick around. It would've been nice if she popped up out of nowhere to help in a fight especially when fighting  Corypheus


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This decision really bothered me. I loved the whole fade journey (particular interesting as someone who was running with Solas and Cole). But I felt like that bit at the end was very 'Quick! We must appease the DA2 haters! Wipe the slate clean!'

Considering how many 'can we please kill Hawke in DAI' threads cropped up this year, I guess some people will be happy. I'm not some people. I didn't hate DA2, and I didn't hate Hawke. I left Stroud to die so I could let angry Hawke live, keep Varric happy, make sure Fenris wasn't left alone aaaand yeah, watch him go to Weisshaupt and disappear!? Did anyone else get that in the epilogue? 

 

But on my current playthrough it's a romanced Alistair going with a FemHawke. Yeah, no way am I leaving one of my favourite DA characters to die so he can save someone who is just going to sod off and go missing. Especially when my Warden is off looking for a cure for them. It just doesn't seem like a deserving death for him. If he's going down, it's beside my Warden and some dwarves, fighting darkspawn to the death. It won't be in the bloody Fade.

 

I hate the bloody fade.


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I chose to save Loghain. No way I was going to let my favorite Dragon Age character die for a character I didn't even care about. Hell I only felt bad for Varric but not for Hawke. He annoyed me in DA2 and even more so in the Fade because of his whole anti-warden attitude. Why does Hawke keep forgetting that if there never were any wardens the world would have been destroyed by the darkspawn.

 

I don't regret my choice not even a second considering Loghain became the leader of the wardens that I saved.



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I picked Loghain. Favorite PC vs. favorite NPC. NPC won. I was haunted for days after.

This time I'll probably pick Stroud because this is my "Hawke and the Warden are awful people who should be eaten by dragons" worldstate.
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I killed Stroud for the same reason someone else did, my Hawke has to keep Anders in line. Also I have no particular attachment to Stroud. I'll probably never end up with Logain because I can't bring myself to kill Alistair or let him be a drunk even in the keep. But if I do a play through with Alistair in the fade, Hawke is spider food. I am not a DA2 hater but it probably says something about the previous games that I would rather save a companion from the first than my main character of the second. The more I play DAI the more I see the problems with DA2.
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I killed Hawke for all the practical reasons other posters have listed. My Hawke romanced Anders and ran off with him to live the Bonnie and Clyde life, but when my Inquisitor spoke to her she just sounded so weary and broken. It really seemed that she was over life and wanted to die, and took part on the mission primarily to fulfill her death wish.



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This was very difficult decision for me because my Warden is with Alistair and they have been very happy. I also like it more when they are both wardens than when Alistair becomes a king and my warden is his queen.  So I wanted to give them a future together. But on the other hand my Hawke is with Fenris and I want them to be together as well and I also wanted to give them a future too. So I decided to let Alistair die because he is a grey warden and he is going to die eventually  and I thought that my warden can rebuilt the warden order again. But that decision made me very sad. I couldn't give them both a happy future. I really wish there could have been a way to save them both. Because now my warden is alone.  :crying: 


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My first playthrough was easy thankfully, it was Stroud, I'm going to be a LOT more torn up in my second playthrough however with a Warden Alistair.



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My Hawke lived.  Having him go to Weisshaupt is such a terrible idea that I couldn't not make it happen.



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Hawke, Alistair was king, I killed Loghain in Origins hated him. Felt no attachment to Stroud at all and a Warden making up for Warden mistakes felt fitting rather than Hawke and Hawke was the champion of Kirkwall and I was one of the few that loved DA2 and it's story despite it's flaws.

 

The only hard decision would have been between Hawke/Alistair and even then I would've picked Hawke to live. I only ever saw Stroud very briefly in DA2 and I didn't even remember him until someone told me he was in DA2, was an easy decision between Stroud and Hawke.


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I got to pick between Hawke and Stroud, since I didn't even recognize Stroud I had no emotional connection to him whatsoever so the decision seemed simple and I let him off himself.

 

However almost immediatly after I was doubting my choice, although I stuck by it because of RP I came to realize this is one of those rare times where I get the option of choosing the outcome for a character I have created (Hawke), I can make sure she dies heroically and on my terms, since DA2 is over I might not get that option again. Maybe I should have went for it? Her dying of age or off screen just feels wrong, it's not just a character it's -me-.



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To my knowledge no matter who you choose to sacrifice, the other will always go to Weishaupt and disappear afterwards. be that Alistair, Loghain, Hawke or Stroud.

 

Personally I am biased to let Hawke live, since i feel he is the most important of the characters. The Wardens I don't really care much about either way, though I do feel that the sacrifice is a nice conclusion to Loghain's story.



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I let Alistair die.

 

As hard as it was, saying goodbye to Hawke was way harder, and while I can see why he wanted to take that bullet, he ultimately would benefit the inquisition better for living. Alistair was just another warden at this point, and Corypheus was their problem.


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I saved Hawke. I'm to attached to her to let her die and besides, she's just to pretty to die by giant demon spider. :wub:



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I choose to let Hawke die. That way she could finally do something that mattered :P

And it felt as though we needed the leader for the Wardens alive.

 

This is what I did too.  I felt like the Wardens needed a strong leader, so Stroud was the best choice to come back.  Plus, Hawke asked to stay behind.  Whatever you want, Hawke.  I never felt connected to him as a character anyway, so no big loss on my end.

 

I did feel bad for Carver, though.  The last remaining Hawke family member.  He'll be sad to hear it.  And I was really sad for Varric as well, but then the

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quest popped up and I felt better for him.  Although I'm doing that one right now, so I'm not sure how it will end for him.....

 

Of course, all of this is assuming that the person who stays behind actually dies.  It very clearly said, "....will likely die....." in the choice description.  Nice little loophole for the writers to exploit if they decide that they want Hawke, Alistair, Loghain, or Stroud to be alive in future games.


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I just did this mission earlier today myself (2nd run thru) 1st time I chose Stroud, 2nd time it was either Alistair or Hawke and I chose Hawke. Completely forgot about Varric and when he walked up the way he said "Where's Hawke?" My heart dropped I was like "Oh no" D: Alistair was in a romance with my mage warden and uh she still missing, HE NEEDS TO FIND HER wth Alistair do you not care your love is just gone these past several years? I mean really lol no mention of her what-so-ever just that one of him standing there looking foolish with Morrigan...aahhhh...the feelz. But when it was either Hawke or Stroud, that decision came easy literally cried out "IN DEATH, SACRIFICE BITCHES!!!" As a pushed the button lol :P
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