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#76
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Honestly I am annoyed by Hawke's reappearing in the game.
 
In DA2, I played as Hawke, that character was mine.
 
But then in DA I, she appears again, but I'm NOT playing as her, even her face's not the same as when she was in DA 2. 
She's someone else now, and not mine.
 
My mind screams "Impostor!" and I want her to just die.
 
Besides, since DA-O where my Warden dies killing Archdemon, I have fondness for heroic tales where the hero DIES in the end.
 
I am disappointed my Inquisitor doesn't die in the end. 


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Since volunteering to stay in the first place was rather out of character for my Champion, that added a strong push to choose Alistair. As I predicted, the lack of any ability to control one's previous character was rather annoying in that quest.

That aside, my Inquisitor made this decision for a variety of reasons, some more important and some less: she knew neither of them, but Varric (who she did know and like) knew the Champion; she's generally big on tradition, and Grey Wardens sacrificing themselves for the greater good is fairly traditional; if the Champion really wanted to help take down Corypheus, he'd obviously have to get out of the Fade first in order to do that; coincidence or no, Alistair was less useful in fights throughout the Fade; both seemed generally sympathetic (or at least, not unsympathetic) to elven causes, but from what she likely heard from Varric, she assumed that the Champion probably had a slight edge in that qualification. Those things aside, to her, it would've been more or less the flip of a coin.

If (hopefully more of when) I replay the game, my next character may make an entirely different decision. I'll have to decide whether I do want to keep importing the same state from the Keep every time as was my original intention; if not, they may not even end up with the same choice.

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I always choose to save Alistair/Loghain/Stroud.

 

As these characters are not real people, I've never hated any of them. When it comes to Hawke, however, my feelings have always been "meh." When I played DA2, I resented Bioware for forcing a human PC on me. In fantasy games, human PCs are among the most boring characters to play, especially when they're of noble birth. I'm already human--I know what that's like. Role-playing as one offers me NOTHING new. At least if we were offered to play as an Avvar that would be a more unique experience. 

 

That being said, I never felt any connection to Hawke. In DAO, I was actively engaged in the story and the mission my PC was on. While playing Hawke, I was just there to push buttons. I had no direct role in shaping anything in DA2.

 

As a result, it was easy for me to dump Hawke in the Fade's dustbin like a used snot rag, because ultimately he/she is inconsequential.

 

I don't even bother to customize him/her when given the chance. Hawke is somebody else's character. We have nothing to do with one another.


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Really, when you think about it, this isn't a decision the Inquisitor makes. This is a decision that is 100% in the player's hands, not the player character's. 

 

The only thing the Inquisitor does when you select who stays behind is say that person's name. They aren't making a choice or a decision.

 

We, the player, are making the decision over whether Hawke or Alistair/Loghain/Stroud put forth the more convincing argument for staying behind. If anything, we aren't even choosing for the Inquisitor, we're choosing for the character who lives to let the other one make the sacrifice.


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I have to say I'm really starting to dislike Hawke. My Hawke was never that anti-blood magic (several of my Hawkes were blood mages!) and she was certainly never that anti-Warden, especially not considering that her brother is a Warden and that Stroud saved his life.

She may start to die a little more often.


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It really depended on the Hawke and world state. Half of mine lived and the other half died.

Those who stayed:
Caleb (Male Warrior)- the world states theme was 'sacrifice' (Warden who did the US and all), so it was a no brained. Given he was the diplomatic sort, it made it all the more heroic.

Demelza (Female Mage)- Probably the only world state Loghain is alive. Given he would be good for helping rebuild the wardens plus this Hawke wasn't one of my favorites, so she stayed.

Dante (Male Rogue)- Alistair sacrificed himself for my Dalish Warden. Dante would gladly do the same if it meant Merrill would be safe in the long run. Stroud can do the Wardeny things.

Those who lived:
William (Male Rogue)- So Fenris can get his happy ending eventually. Maybe. Well it was my first run anyway and William is one of my main/canon Hawkes. I don't like killing off canons.

Kieran (Male Mage)- Again, simply for the idea of my Mage Amell, him and my Mage Trevelyan forming the Ultimate Mage Alliance or something.

Catherine (Female Warrior)- My favorite female Hawke. Plus she was Viscountess and married to Sebastian, making them both wield political influence. Far more important than personal vendettas and playing heroics. Stroud is a Warden, and a wardens job is always about sacrifice.

Undetermined fate- Kaelynn (Female Warrior). Don't have a play through starring her just yet.

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I think the anti-blood mage and anti-warden stuff wasn't the wisest idea for Hawke, but I still love her. And I let her live - I just keep thinking about Carver and Anders and maybe Varric(a little), so I can't do it to them all.

 

And, of course, I love Loghain with his anti-aging spell(though that grin is ghoulish). I wish Loghain could say he and the Warden were friends and/or he respected the Warden(because, well, he did in DAO, and it would've been nice) - instead his words were somewhat cold.



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I sacrificed Loghain, both times. Mostly meta reasons, I honestly can't let my favourite Hawkes die, no matter how much I like Loghain, or how useful he could be. Well, on my second playthrough, the Inquisitor told the Wardens to get out, so he wouldn't have been that useful. But he would've on the first playthrough. I saved the guy twice already as the Hero of Ferelden, I guess his luck just ran out.

 

On a roleplaying level, I think that my Inquisitor felt that since this mess right here was a Warden mess, a Warden should clean it up.

 

I have one playthrough where Alistair was romanced and still a Warden. I already know that's going to be a very difficult choice.



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No way am I ever sacrificing Hawke. It's pointless to kill him off and Fenris doesn't deserve that.



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Only once have I sacrificed Hawke, and that was with douchebag keep history - also the only time I romanced Isabela instead of Fenris. AND Alistair was the warden so there's no way I'd let that idiot die. I thought it'd be an easy choice since no one would miss that import, considering his terrible choices and the fact he pissed everyone off.

 

Well I was wrong. Even my Inquisitor was a bit tactless but I just had to hug Varric as I could just hear the sound of my heart shattering into pieces during that scene :')

 

Never again :')



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I figured Hawke had never had anything she tried go right, including killing Cory the first time, so it was her chance to finally succeed and go out as a hero. I didn't expect Varric to react so strongly but in classic BioWare style the feels brought the tears that sustain devs so I had no regrets. Fenris can take the heartbreak. I fed my Warden to the Archdemon because no mway was she going to trust Morrigan with an OGB so the foundering Order really needed Stroud.

The second run is going to be much harder. The Warden and Alistair have been living their happy lives together for a decade and Hawke rivalmanced Anders and sided with the Templars. I don't know if I dare leave him alone out there for too long but...Alistair is my favorite LI ever! I don't know if I can feed him to a giant Fade spider. I'm not looking forward to the pain of finding out (yes, I am).

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My first run-through had drunk!Alistair,  and dead Logain, so it was an easy choice to sacrifice Stroud, whom I barely knew.

 

But I thought the game missed a huge opportunity for a drunk!Alistair redemption arc.    When we were looking for the missing warden in the Storm Coast, I kept thinking "please let it be Alistair, surely its Alistair",  and was disappointed when it was only Stroud.  

 

Imagine if it was drunk Alistair.   We know that he ran into Hawke and co in the Hanged Man in DA2.   I always thought it was a crying shame that Hawke didn't recruit him.  After all, that was right in Hawke's wheelhouse, find someone a little bit broken, give them something to live for, dust them off, and set them to work.  

 

So in my head-cannon,  he joined up with Hawkes group in DA2,  and they remained friends afterwards, while he went off on his own,  still full of guilt over abandoning the Warden, who died with the Archdemon.  Roll on 10 years,  he agrees to help the Inquisition and Hawke, and then sacrifices himself for the greater good in the fade.  

 

I might even try to recreate this in my next PT,  by creating a non-romanced warden Alistair, with a dead warden,  and just pretend it is drunk!Alistair we find in the cave. 



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I'm not looking forward to this decision.  In this particular import, Alistair is the LI of my living Hero of Ferelden, and I have a wonderful sarcastic Hawke (tied to Isabela) who doesn't feel like the self-sacrifice sort.  My 2nd DAI run has my other Hawke, who is a super goody two-shoes who would definitely sacrifice himself.  But that import also has Alistair ruling and thus offers Stroud who I don't particularly care about.  That Hawke would clearly sacrifice himself but in a meta sense I'd be saving... Stroud.  Woo hoo.  Curse you (bless you) Bioware for these choices!



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But I thought the game missed a huge opportunity for a drunk!Alistair redemption arc.    

 

Drunk Alistar really should have been Grim in the chargers.  I kept my fingers crossed, but when my drunk world state rolled around.. nope.. damn you bioware, damn you.


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In my main game, Stroud made the sacrifice and Hawke took the Wardens back to Weisshaupt. I reasoned that the Wardens were a liability in the fight against Corypheus so I took them off the battlefield. I also reasoned that Blackwall would become the new Warden Commander. I read something very interesting on another board that has me rethinking saving Hawke.

 

"Flemeth said in DA2 to Hawke And this quest is named "Here Lies the Abyss".

 

"We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

Was the wording just a coincidence or did Flemeth save Hawke for a reason? Was Hawke remembering those words that Flemeth said to him years ago? Is it really just a coincidence that the mission that has the player having to make the decision to sacrifice Hawke called "Here Lies the Abyss?" The very thing that Flemeth told Hawke to watch out for and not to hesitate to jump into. Flemeth also tells Hawke in DA2 that they both have a destiny. I suspect being the champion of Kirkwall was not what she was talking about. 



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This decision bothered me because I was like "Really Bioware? You're going to pull an Ashley or Kaidan on us again?" but when you think about it, how do we know either of them really dies? We don't see them actually die, all we see is them engaging that monster in combat. All we do know is that they'd be stuck in the Fade unless they found another way out. If I recall, doesn't the decision say "will most likely die" anyways? Like it doesn't say it's a definite that they die, just most likely. I'll always pick Stroud because I'll never make Alistair a warden because of this decision and I'm too attached to my Hawke. He lost his brother or sister, he lost his mom, and he's all his surviving brother/sister has left. I was like I couldn't do that to Varric and I actually kind of thought of Isabella too since my Hawke romanced her. She already lost one man when he husband died so I didn't want her to lose another lol 


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This decision bothered me because I was like "Really Bioware? You're going to pull an Ashley or Kaidan on us again?" but when you think about it, how do we know either of them really dies? We don't see them actually die, all we see is them engaging that monster in combat. All we do know is that they'd be stuck in the Fade unless they found another way out. If I recall, doesn't the decision say "will most likely die" anyways? Like it doesn't say it's a definite that they die, just most likely. I'll always pick Stroud because I'll never make Alistair a warden because of this decision and I'm too attached to my Hawke. He lost his brother or sister, he lost his mom, and he's all his surviving brother/sister has left. I was like I couldn't do that to Varric and I actually kind of thought of Isabella too since my Hawke romanced her. She already lost one man when he husband died so I didn't want her to lose another lol 

I understand, that is the same reason I saved Hawke. After reading a theory on another board, which I talk about above, I am starting to believe that Hawke was meant to stay behind, to "leap into the Abyss." There has to be a reason that Flemeth saved him and told him that in DA2. 



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Ugh, I very much hope whoever is left behind does not come back. There's pitifully enough real punch or depth to most choices in this game as it is. Wish they'd shown that person splattered into fine paste just to make certain.



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I think the anti-blood mage and anti-warden stuff wasn't the wisest idea for Hawke, but I still love her. And I let her live - I just keep thinking about Carver and Anders and maybe Varric(a little), so I can't do it to them all.


Hawke has lots of reasons for being anti blood magic and angry at the wardens, though, that covers most of the different ways you could play him/her. The alternative would have been making Hawke a little too lacking in any opinion or personality, at which point why have a cameo at all.
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Hawke has lots of reasons for being anti blood magic and angry at the wardens, though, that covers most of the different ways you could play him/her. The alternative would have been making Hawke a little too lacking in any opinion or personality, at which point why have a cameo at all.

Because Hawke's connected to Corypheus? Honestly, making Hawke actually more or less neutral would be the best decision. Not this... mess



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If it's between Hawke and Alistair? The decision is easy. Hawke goes every time. (Alistair is one of my all-time favorite Dragon Age characters, while all three of Hawke's personalities are one of my least favorites.)

 

If it's between Hawke and Stroud and my character is good friends with Varric, I MIGHT spare Hawke for his sake.

 

Loghain? He wouldn't even be there. I will never, ever, ever, ever let him live past the Fifth Blight.


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I chose to kill the demon. That's what we decided to do as soon as we first entered the Fade and found out about it, why would I change just because it's a spider instead of the normal demon appearance?

 

And this decision really destroys immersion. The entire scene has to stop while something stupid happens that will rob the player of their agency by presenting a false dichotomy when in reality the player should be choosing between either fighting and killing the demon or having everyone run to regroup and kill it later. But it's not like we are ever in fear of dying, since everyone gets up at the end of combat anyways, or they can be resurrected via a spell or if we use a Phoenix Down. Yeah, FF7 didn't work for me, neither did ME1. There were plenty of other options that didn't require leaving someone behind, such as shooting Saren in the face with the ship which had turrets capable of tracking and firing at him and was already right there.

 

On the other hand this let me kill Kaidan so I actually didn't mind. And I got to kill all the characters I didn't like in ME2 as well. If only we could use this oppurtunity in DAI to kill the characters we really don't like. Then at least we'd be able to make something positive out of something that was so poorly thought out.


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If it's between Hawke and Alistair? The decision is easy. Hawke goes every time. (Alistair is one of my all-time favorite Dragon Age characters, while all three of Hawke's personalities are one of my least favorites.)

 

If it's between Hawke and Stroud and my character is good friends with Varric, I MIGHT spare Hawke for his sake.

 

Loghain? He wouldn't even be there. I will never, ever, ever, ever let him live past the Fifth Blight.

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Ugh, I very much hope whoever is left behind does not come back. There's pitifully enough real punch or depth to most choices in this game as it is. Wish they'd shown that person splattered into fine paste just to make certain.

It's not the first time Bioware's let us see a character die yet they came back anyways. For ex, if you kill Anders in Awakening or Leliana in Origins, they both come back in 2 or Inquisition. Then again in a game that features magic and all the other things Dragon Age has, I feel like death should be something they'd be able to get around



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In my main game, Stroud made the sacrifice and Hawke took the Wardens back to Weisshaupt. I reasoned that the Wardens were a liability in the fight against Corypheus so I took them off the battlefield. I also reasoned that Blackwall would become the new Warden Commander. I read something very interesting on another board that has me rethinking saving Hawke.

 

"Flemeth said in DA2 to Hawke And this quest is named "Here Lies the Abyss".

 

"We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

Was the wording just a coincidence or did Flemeth save Hawke for a reason? Was Hawke remembering those words that Flemeth said to him years ago? Is it really just a coincidence that the mission that has the player having to make the decision to sacrifice Hawke called "Here Lies the Abyss?" The very thing that Flemeth told Hawke to watch out for and not to hesitate to jump into. Flemeth also tells Hawke in DA2 that they both have a destiny. I suspect being the champion of Kirkwall was not what she was talking about. 

 

This is the reason I left Hawke in the Abyss aswell. Besides, I suspect that BIoware has plans for all our "heroes" who, when don't die, misteriously dissapear.