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[Captmorgan72]

Yeah, I would tell Varric not to grieve too much, I suspect that within the Fade, things are not what they appear. That and perhaps Hawke has learned that he "can" fly. 

[nagisa-aoi87]

I left my femHawke in the fade and it was heartbreaking because i really loved my Hawke

 

She sacrificed herself for the greater good because she didn't want to repeat her past failures. She couldn't prevent her sister Bethany and her mother Leandra from dying, she couldn't save them and wanted, this time, to save the inquisitor who was the only one who could stop Corypheus and she knew that Loghain as a charismatic man could rebuild the warden's order.

 

My Lightning Hawke died a hero ! Just feel sad for Merill, her last love

[wiccame]

If Alistair is warden he always lives, because well, he's Alistair. I have never been able to kill him off and I never will.  Other times, Stroud stays behind, just to give Hawke a chance. Oh I actually let Stroud live once because I felt sorry for him and I was playing the default world state so I didn't really know Hawke.

 

Edit: Anyway, it only states whoever stays behind will LIKELY die, and this is Bioware right?

[Captmorgan72]

This is what I imagine Hawke was remembering when he stood in the Abyss. Start at 3:24 

[Korva]

I think it's more than a little far-fetched to link Flemeth's words to this situation just because the word "abyss" appears in a quest description i.e. a purely game mechanical thing. If Bioware do that, I'll heavily side-eyed them, and not just because I want the person who stays behind to be dead and remain dead. There are too few real consequences in the game as it is. That aside, I simply don't think it'd be believable that Flemeth could predict Hawke physically falling into the Fade ten years later with a bunch of important people, and then being too slow-ass to get OUT of the Fade and have a superpowered demon drop back on her head, requiring a distraction to get the only one who can save the world out alive.

[ThreeF]

I think it's more than a little far-fetched to link Flemeth's words to this situation just because the word "abyss" appears in a quest description i.e. a purely game mechanical thing. If Bioware do that, I'll heavily side-eyed them, and not just because I want the person who stays behind to be dead and remain dead. There are too few real consequences in the game as it is. That aside, I simply don't think it'd be believable that Flemeth could predict Hawke physically falling into the Fade ten years later with a bunch of important people, and then being too slow-ass to get OUT of the Fade and have a superpowered demon drop back on her head, requiring a distraction to get the only one who can save the world out alive.

 

Thing is you don't see Hawke die (at least i did not see it) and there is a pattern with all past heroes disappearing if left alive (the Hawke fate is unknown at the epilogue).  Plus there is Leliana too (I doubt her potential coming back from dead was planned but it's certainly now there to be exploited. And besides there are many ways to bring someone who "might" have died back into the story (even a dead Warden) and be clever about it.

[Korva]

My impression was that the demon pastes the one who stays behind, because it looked to me like part of it crashed down where they stood just a moment ago. Still, it's ambiguous. I just loathe making death meaningless. Haven aside, he game is entirely too much "smooth sailing" as it is.

[errantknight]

Every other choice in the game says that thing *will* happen. This one says *likely*. It's a noteworthy difference. I don't think that makes it 100% that they'll be back, but it it suits the story, they can be.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

My impression was that the demon pastes the one who stays behind, because it looked to me like part of it crashed down where they stood just a moment ago. Still, it's ambiguous. I just loathe making death meaningless. Haven aside, he game is entirely too much "smooth sailing" as it is.

I don't see how death is made meaningless when a person who was meant for possibly greater plans isn't quite out of the picture yet. I also don't get the obsession with death, there are other consequences rather than death you know. Mass Effect 3 gave us plenty of that, and it's interesting to see BW try something different.

[Kai-Sar Adaar]

They probably left it as likely because they aren't actually sure if they are going to bring Hawke/Warden back, and are trying to leave their options open.

[Uccio]

Thing is you don't see Hawke die (at least i did not see it) and there is a pattern with all past heroes disappearing if left alive (the Hawke fate is unknown at the epilogue).  Plus there is Leliana too (I doubt her potential coming back from dead was planned but it's certainly now there to be exploited. And besides there are many ways to bring someone who "might" have died back into the story (even a dead Warden) and be clever about it.

 

My Hawke lived, Stroud took the hit for the team. Hawke deserves some free time with Merrill after what he went thgough. No need to add more to the drama. Alistair is king so he is out of danger zone.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Alistair lives, while Stroud and Loghain die. Based purely on how much like the characters. 

[LaughingBanana]

Depends; if it's Stroud or Loghain, Hawke gets out of there. Stroud because he's practically a nobody and Loghain because well... it seems fitting for him to end his tale heroically like that. If it's Alistair though... sorry Hawke, have a nice nap in the Fade.

 

*Especially* with Alistair that's in a relationship with the Warden.

[Helgagrim]

My initial idea was to leave Hawke in the fade because of an advice Flemeth gave to her in Dragon Age 2. "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

So in a way, I feel leaving Hawke in the fade is the "right" choice. But leaving her there made me feel really bad since I really like Hawke. >.<

[Rayban87]

You know I was so hating this choice when it came up.

I literally stared at my screen for like 15 minutes trying to get over the shock of this decision lol.

I was going to pick Hawke because my Hawke was a mage and therefore he was the most equipped to surviving in the fade than Stroud (my Alistair was king THANK GOD lol).

In the end I chose Stroud mainly because even though he's the most senior rank in the south, my DA:O was the most badass Warden (biased lol) and she got Alistair to do the dark ritual and so she's alive and can easily take command over the wardens if need be.  I mean she was the one that ended the most recent blight so no dramas, she's totes more capable than Stroud anyhow.

Plus even though some didn't like DA:2, I for one loved my Hawke.

To be honest I did pick Hawke first and then when Varric took it so badly I just couldn't do it.  I couldn't!!  Reloaded and saved Hawke, plus he's fought Corypheus before, who else better to have with you than a guy who's beat him (at least somewhat) before?  At least some kind of battle tips or something lol, but I'd trust Hawke around Corypheus than Stroud simply because Hawke doesn't have the taint therefore can't be misguided again.

 

Also another reason was even though my Hawke gave the mages a second chance, obviously with DA:I we see that so many mages still went batshit cray so with that in mind, learning from hindsight, I decided to banish the Wardens rather than use them.  Normally I'd be like "well Blackwall is fine, and so is Stroud, and even Clarel tried to redeem herself in the end".

Then after seeing that second chances don't always end so great (ahem mages) I decided this time to learn from hindsight and just not use the Wardens, instead letting Hawke bring them back to weishaupt so they can just recover and then rebuild from there.

 

I've kept a saved untouched right before the final battle that leads to that decision because I think they could possibly release a DLC where Hawke might be able to be rescued or something to do about re-entering the fade.  If that happens then I'll make another save with leaving Hawke in the fade and take the DLC from there lol.

 

Either way, I don't know why some people are reading into the finally clip too much.  They both looked identically the same to me.

Anyway those were my reasons.

[Kinsz]

This is how i looked at it personally ,Loghain is an old man and a Warden, he will most likely die in a couple of years anyways same goes for Stroud , besides a character i played as >>>>>>>>>>every NPC. so Hawke lives everytime.

[Arkwright99]

My original intent was to have Loghain stay in the Fade but frankly the Hawke who appeared in my current PT was so unlike the sarcastic/sassy/fun-lovin' Mage I'd played in DA2 (not least visually) that she didn't really feel like *my* Hawke at all and I didn't really have any connection to the character, so it was surprisingly easy to take her up on her offer to stay behind. Plus I figured that a Mage Hawke has/had a better chance of surviving in the Fade than a 'mere' Grey Warden.

 

Next time around, if I can decently re-create my pro-Templar, anti-Mage 'hard man' 2H Warrior Hawke then Stroud (most probably) can make the ultimate sacrifice instead. If not, I guess I'll end up making the same decision again.

[NM_Che56]

I chose Hawke because it was default Hawke and I hated his beard.

[TheodoricFriede]

I keep Hawke alive.

 

Frankly, In most of my playthroughs, I like Hawke a lot, Logaihn is dead, Alister is king, and Stroud... has a moustache.

 

Now, its an impressive moustache, but isnt enough to make me kill off Hawke to save it.

 

I question how relevant Hawkes death is anyway though. I get the feeling that, Fade or not, Hawke is returning. The text on screen just said that these characters will "Likely" die. And Varric makes it sound like, when Hawke is alive, He, Hawkes LI, and Hawkes sibling are all going to meet him at Weisshaupt.

 

I feel (I hope, I pray) a dlc is coming.

 

My initial idea was to leave Hawke in the fade because of an advice Flemeth gave to her in Dragon Age 2. "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."

 

So in a way, I feel leaving Hawke in the fade is the "right" choice. But leaving her there made me feel really bad since I really like Hawke. >.<

Interesting. I never thought of that.

 

Personally, i think thats just a coincidence, but that would be a very cool way to tie those two moments together.

[Lavaeolus]

Frankly, In most of my playthroughs, I like Hawke a lot, Logaihn is dead, Alister is king, and Stroud... has a moustache.

What more do you want?

[macready1988]

Saved Hawke. Entire thing felt like a cheap excuse to kill off Hawke so i saved him.

Now i can look forward to stupid future letters explaining the complete and utter uselessness of a once supremely capable individual for contrived and moronic reasons ala the hero of ferelden.

Never mind that Hawke, slayer of a high dragon and ass-kicker of this games MAIN ANTAGONIST, did absolutely nothing of note or value anyway bar stand in the back ranks like a turnip.

Wheres mah damn cutscene of him smashing the archdemons face in, even if it doesnt kill it?

Morrigan was the only one who came close to a badass moment and evem that fell flat in the end.

[legbamel]

I really was going to kill off Alistair, if only because Varric broke my heart after I left Hawke behind last time, but now that I've had a couple of conversations with him about the Warden I absolutely can't kill him.  They've got his lovelorn tone down perfectly and he's so hopeful.  I can't sentence him to death!  [sigh]

 

Sorry, Varric.  You're going to have to wait for the third run before I get to see how you react when Hawke comes back with me.

[Endee]

In my first game the choice was easy; my custom Hawke, or Stroud. Like I even care about Stroud, pfft.

 

I really wanted to meet warden!Alistair though, so I imported a world state with a default Hawke who was the complete opposite of my custom Hawke. That way I wouldn't have any attachments to her and wouldn't feel bad about sacrificing her to save my precious Alistair.

 

I did that today. I just wasn't prepared for Varric's reaction afterwards. But it's okay though, I didn't need my heart anyway ;____; Manly tears were shed.

[guntar74]

I have two world states I use that made these choices easy. Alistair and anora are always ruling so that's not a prob. I also always have loghain alive. So Its all based on my hawkes world.

I have a tragic hawke that had all the family die and she ended up killing a romanced anders, so I let her go out with a noble sacrifice. My dude hawke lives cause he still has his Lil sister to protect and isabela to keep adventuring with.

I do want to get a mage hawke with a carver warden run in where I leave hawke. I think it'd be interesting to see how carver reacts. Seeing as that shadow he was always complaining about being cast over him is now gone..

[ratdago]

How did some of you get to choose between all 3? did you change your world at "Keep" and then run through again? My first time was connected using "Keep", Hawke was gorgeous, no way she was going out and I left Stroud behind, Allstair King, Loghain dead. On 2nd play through now and reading these posts to see alternate decisions. I did NOT connect world, used generic as if never played DA before and it automatically gave me Stroud and a generic male Hawke/mage (guessing because Im warrior). Hawke will stay this time just so i can see different scenes and dialog