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[TL;DR] paragraph at the end of the wall .

 

    This is pure speculation and yes , I am aware that its pretty much impossible to happen , but after playing through the game (please note that in DA:O I romanced Morrigan , did the ritual and went through the eluvian with her)  , I wholeheartedly wished that Bioware returns the Warden as the main character in the next game . I will try to explain my thinking .

 

    At this point you might be thinking , calm down , buddy , Inquisition just got launched and we haven't even seen any DLC yet . Well , I agree , but if something made me appreciate the game beyond of what it deserves independently , its the feeling it brought back (mainly from DAO) . So I thought making a thread , writing about my wish , while also decomposing the game , analyzing its pros and cons and predicting the future after the ending we just saw . This is the point of this thread . If you are interested , please keep reading .

 

  Although , I enjoyed the storyline , the power I had as the Inquisitor , the rise from obscurity to greatness , I still felt more drawn by everything that had to do with Origins . Those feelings however , came as a double edged knife as I also disliked how the characters that I pretty much developed from my previous playthroughs became strangers , although sometimes it was fun .

 

  In other words , imagine a ball of playdough . The more you stretch , the more its likely to break . That ball of playdough is your Dragon Age experience. You gave it a shape , but I am afraid if Bioware keeps streching it to make room for more , its going to snap.

 

  After finishing the main quest , we are given , of what is reasonable to presume ,the identity of the new adversary . Mythal/Flemeth .If you want my opinion , I'd say its about damn time . I wanted to kick Flemeth's arse since the "Attack on Shack" plan failed miserably in origins . Judging from what Flemeth said , both she and Mythal want revenge from mankind (litteraly ,heh) . The point is , they had a number of chances to let the world go to waste , but opted not to . So , revenge is a secondary objective , or so I think . Correct me if I am wrong , but the Old Gods are trapped in a place between the fade and reality . I think this might be the greater plan . To free the old gods , thus creating a chain reaction that will unleash magic across all Thedas (remember that all ancient elves could use magic) , provoke the maker into showing himself , etc . Mythal , by the way , condems Solas/Dread wolf for giving the orb to Corypheus , who seems marely a puppet in front of them .

 

[Note]In any case , no matter who survives that last scene encounter , its reasonable to believe that they want to free the old gods .

 

 The fact is that we are fed mortal conflict , blights and demons for three installments and yet we can't answer why . Unless Qunari or Tevinter start a huge war , which would be a fitting filler , I think its time to start getting answers .

 

  But since the next installment , which I think will be the last in the current timeline , is meant to answer all these questions , I dare ask myself . Is it really smart to create an entire new protagonist when you have the Keep at hand , while the community itself considers the Warden and his companions the link that holds the game together ? Why , after taking all these lengths , keep building from zero and not build on something already loved and successful . (This is the point where speculation starts) . If the Warden was to survive even after sacrifising himself to kill the archdemon, somehow , bringing him back as the main protagonist would be the best possible move . Let me elaborate . At this point , the Warden is searching for a way to prevent the calling . At the same time , the world is stabilized by the newly formed inquisition , while Mythal is plotting in the dark . Forcing a Qunari or a Tevinter invasion as the main plot point would be dull and would not answer any questions regarding dragon age's lore . Having them as a secondary event would be better and would enlarge the game .

 

 So, all things considered, life starts to become better and better . What could really spoil it ?

A blight ? Already happened .

A civil war ? Already happened .

Demons ? Already happened .

Templar-Mage conflict ? Already happened .

Uknown catastrophy that forces uknown individual to rise from zero to hero and save the day ? Already happened . 2.5 times.

Or maybe a god's wrath that seeks vengeance by bringing all the Old Gods back using ancient elven technology , which might force the Maker to finally appear in the game in an epic finalle ?

At the very least , its the only scenario that can surpass the importance of the Inquisition . I really can't think of another way for them to top Inquisition . How could they follow up with a mere war or another blight full of demons after the magnitude of Inquisition ? I think we can be confident that the next "big" game will provide answers .

 

  As I was saying , the Warden is currently looking for a way to prevent the calling . Personally , I think it makes a perfect starting point to old and new players . The potential , in addition , by having the Warden as the protagonist , are a lot . In fact , I feel like I have to list them so I won't eat up more of your time .

1. Most immersive RPG protagonist background that actually is visible ingame (by using the Keep) .

2. Former companion implementation is viable , while also adding new ones .

3. Huge amount of romance possibilities . From being the dead lover that came back , to the father that will have to cheat death(calling) to save his family . From the pursuit of a forbitten romance with the chantry's Divine to the reunification with the master assassin that stole his/her heart . Or even something completely new  with the new followers .

4. Fits perfectly to the old Hollywood theme that Bioware likes . The old hero , forgotten , returns after a period of ten years , to save mankind from the wrath of the gods .

5. Bioware seems to realise that fans want a powerful protagonist , able to make big decisions . The Warden fits this role .

6. Fans are going to be excited (No brainer , huh) .

7. Gives the possibility to expand and conclude the story without having to create protagonists from zero . In fact , this gives Bioware the opportunity to focus on the story more since we already spent an entire game creating our protagonist .

8. The villain rescued his life once . Possibly , he fell in love with her daughter . Or maybe even stabbed her in the back . The fact is , there is a huge connection between the Warden and Mythal/Flemeth , that creates mixed fillings . Something not possible with someone made from scratch .

9. The blight is the cause of Maker's damnation . Lyrium is a live organism as Bianca said*** . By having the Warden searching for a way to defeat it , he could find answers

 

I could write more , but I think I made my point . Fact is , if the Warden survived origins , in any case , I doubt anyone would dislike the idea . But is it really that hard for the writters to find an explanation ? Perhaps Flemeth did something more than just save him from that tower . Come to think of it , would she risk a denial of Morrigan's proposal ? Judging from the medallion , she always had a backup plan . Could she do something that made the Warden able to absorb the old god's soul just like the baby would ? Add a little mystery by saying it was Maker's doing and you are good to go . You remember that you should be dead , you are in danger of dying by the corruption , while the world faces the biggest threat and you got to save them .Race against time , build momentum , find answers that shaped the world , etc , etc . Don't tell me that this is a bad storyline .

 

In any case , this is just wishful thinking that I really debated whether I should write it down or not so soon . But since I saw a lot of posts about what could happen next , I decided to give my opinion .

 

*** Something that came into mind . Since in the time of the Old Gods , every elvhen could use magic , is it possible that their prison is the lyrium itself ? Lyrium grants magical abilities to even non mages (templars) and its state is not specified yet . Dwarves are immune because they share nothing with the old gods and its pretty obvious that humans share a connection with the elven race .

 

[TL;DR] DreadWolf/Flemeth/Mythal seek the return of the old Gods by using ancient elven artifacts . Presumably this will force the Maker to finally appear since up untill now there was no immediate threat , as he was able to deal with Corypheus once . So , we can get some good answers . All that , while speculating how the Warden could fit in as the main protagonist .


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I can plainly see your "head canon" DA experience reflected in your post, even though in my opinion, some of your logic is dodgy at best. Bioware as a company that produces games, is not in the business of punishing fans. That is something that their detractors seem to gloss over. So, where does that leave us?

 

Thus far, having the original Warden reappear is problematic. We can all accept that as a given, no matter what theory rises to the surface. Bringing back the Warden is a problem for them. Perhaps they will be able to work that out, or perhaps not? Only time will tell, but peppered within your post is evidence that the Warden and his actions mattered, made an impact, and your character left his/her mark.

 

That should be more than sufficient to move on, for instance, I customized quite a few Hawkes in my many DA 2 playthroughs, but that characters Inquisition role is obviously more of an "iconic" one. That being the case, no matter how many times I play Inquisition, I will most likely utilize the default Hawke (whether male or female). 

 

In support of your wish list, I will say this: Since Bioware managed to have customization of Hawke included for his/her role in Inquisition (especially in the absence of a save file); there should be absolutely no reason why the Frostbite 3 engine can't update the original basic heads from DA:O in order for the Warden to have his/her grand finale for the many fans who desperately want more closure than has been provided. I further believe that offering two accents (American & British) is the perfect solution to his/her previously unvoiced role.



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I think that the next game would be perfect for a choice. You either play as the Inquistior in skyhold or the warden in, lets say, weisshaput fortress. Both give you improtance, a power base, and a history with your companions. Just changes the flavor. I would assume Hawke would remain an NPC ally with numerous points of fan service and possibly even a few mission you play as him. You would only need to change a handful of Mission parameters and some conversations but I think it would be easily doable.
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in order for the Warden to have his/her grand finale for the many fans who desperately want more closure than has been provided.

Why does everyone want him to die?



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Why does everyone want him to die?

If people don't stop with "We want the Warden!!!" threads I'm pretty sure Bioware will kill him, Morrigan and the child :ph34r:


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The warden isnt ever coming back.

 

A large amount of choices regarding important plot decisions is good for the current game. However what alot of people dont want to admit is that a large amount of choices in games WILL hinder what they can do in a future game.  You saw this with the Warden. The Warden was never going to be important to the plot as the Warden is dead in peoples games.

 

The story of southern thedas has pretty much been wrapped up. The next DA game will be set in northern thedas somewhere.


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The next game will most likely have the inquisitor again  but if they wanted they could definitely bring the Warden back as the PC , implementing him that way woud be far easier than having him as an NPC however the question is what does the Warden offer that the inquisitor doesnt at this point , besides nostalgia? the latter has more going for him at the moment , backing of a big army , empress of orlais in his pocket , the chantry as well not to mention the mark on his hand makes him a more powerful being than the Warden.



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[TL;DR] paragraph at the end of the wall .
 
    This is pure speculation and yes , I am aware that its pretty much impossible to happen , but after playing through the game (please note that in DA:O I romanced Morrigan , did the ritual and went through the eluvian with her)  , I wholeheartedly wished that Bioware returns the Warden as the main character in the next game .

Stopped reading right there.

The Warden isn't coming back. His/her story is done. Bioware has moved on, you should too.
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The next game will most likely have the inquisitor again  but if they wanted they could definitely bring the Warden back as the PC , implementing him that way woud be far easier than having him as an NPC however the question is what does the Warden offer that the inquisitor doesnt at this point , besides nostalgia? the latter has more going for him at the moment , backing of a big army , empress of orlais in his pocket , the chantry as well not to mention the mark on his hand makes him a more powerful being than the Warden.

The next game will feature a new protagonist and a new story, as all previous games have. That's the most likely possibility

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The next game will feature a new protagonist and a new story, as all previous games have. That's the most likely possibility

I would have said the same thing  before seeing inquisition's epilogue now im not so sure, we will see soon enough.



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I would have said the same thing  before seeing inquisition's epilogue now im not so sure, we will see soon enough.

And we all said the same thing about Hawke. Hawke's epilogue, and entire story, lead to Inquisition.

 

Hawke still wasn't the protagonist of Inquisition.


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I cared about the inquisitor about as much a I cared about hawke or Shepard. The warden and I think it's because of all the choices you can make really has a special place in my heart.

That said I doubt the warden will ever come back. Can count on being able to play as hawke again or even varric before the warden.

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And we all said the same thing about Hawke. Hawke's epilogue, and entire story, lead to Inquisition.

 

Hawke still wasn't the protagonist of Inquisition.

Hawke isnt the protagonist because he wasnt received well by the people who didnt like DA 2 which was a lot people , at least the vocal majority.

 

I would bet money that Bioware initially planned on making him the PC in this game but scrapped it later on.

 

Anyways im just speculating in the end neither i nor you knows who is going to be the PC in the next game.



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I want the warden back as much as the next warden fan boy/girl but it's just unrealistic. If they didn't add them to Inquisition i don't see them adding them to anything else. Of course the warden's story could still be spoken about in the future. I for one hope their mission regarding the calling is a astounding success (with a replacment for dead warden's being the Orlesian warden commander.



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I would whole heartly support a New game with the warden as PC

 

Remember that we still have two old gods left in the deep roads so a future blight is guarantied.

 

And I have a idea right here.

 

Say that the last Two old gods are left are TWINS

 

Twins have a strange bond with each other that science cannot explain, they sense if one is in pain and feel a need to be close to the other sibling. So if one old god wakes up then it could find the other sibling.  



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FWIW I too think that the Inquisitor is now Dragon Ages "Shepard" Which I am totally fine with

 

The point remains, it would not be difficult at all to implement the Warden as an alternative PC in the next game. I am not saying that they should but really it would be super easy given the following:

 

1)Both the Inquisitor and The Warden have a common name (think shepard) you either have "Warden Commander" or "Hero Of Fereldan" The Inquisitor gets, "Herald" "Worship" or "Inquisitor"

 

2)Both have a similar power base; The Inquisition or the Grey Wardens. Both have a fortress; Skyhold or ANY of the Warden Keeps. Both have extreme authority across the world. 

 

3)They did a lot of cleaning up of his/her story and minor retcon for the Warden in Inquisition paving the way for a easy introduction

 

4)Both would have similar goals even if one was heroic and one was evil they would both need to beat the "Big Bad" in order to achieve their ends. 

 

I don't really get the issues with bring him back. Character creator for him with similar bases to what (s)he looked like. Give them a voice, if you don't like it, play with subtitles and no voice volume. Then just like when Josie asks you about your relationship with your family/clan/ etc they ask a few general questions about the past to fill out the general personality (heroic, survivalist, evil, power hungry) etc. Then let you role play the rest. People who killed the Warden. Play the inquisitor, people that liked the inquisitor, play him. People that didn't kill the warden, or liked him, play the warden.

 

It would be very simple. Not saying that they should, all I am saying is if Bioware doesn't its because of a game design choice. Not due to painting themselves into a corner. 


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Warden PC in new game? I don't think so.

Warden PC in DLC? Why not?

Inq PC in new game? Yes, please.


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Generally the warden is the favorite protagonist.


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Ehm, the point of this thread, isn't to demand the warden to comeback . Just wishful thinking . I am very well aware that the Warden is not coming back as a PC 99%.



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I have spent a lot of time considering the Warden.  The fact that he / she is blighted pretty much limits what they can and can't do as to a story line.  I suspect that the Warden will find a cure, but not an all encompassing one.  At this point Bioware can bring the Warden and Hawke back again.  I don't think either of them will ever be player controlled though.  Both have had their stories.

 

The Inquisitor is another matter.  I expect to see the Inquisition back in DA4.  And, if the cry is loud and long, Cassandra Pentaghast as well.



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He's dead, Jim
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I read a little bit about this but Laidlaw and most of Bioware have made it pretty clear about a potential Warden return in any capacity that it just isn't happening. I would welcome a chance to play my Warden again in a DLC, but it's been squashed pretty hard. Time to move on.

 

My hope at this time is that we see another 2-3 great DLCs that tie up the Inquisitor's story and we can all get excited about Dragon Age 4.



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And we all said the same thing about Hawke. Hawke's epilogue, and entire story, lead to Inquisition.

 

Hawke still wasn't the protagonist of Inquisition.

 

Please remember that a great deal of the expansion Exalted Marches was folded into Inquisition, which is why the DA2 epilogue was structured the way it was, with expectations of that expansion pack.



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It's not Tuesday, but is this a loophole to the new "where's my Warden" threads, simply resurrect an old one?
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It's not Tuesday, but is this a loophole to the new "where's my Warden" threads, simply resurrect an old one?

'twould seem so.